Charlie Hebdo Attack

[Cap'n Cat]

So when does freedom of speech cross the "hate" line?

There shouldn't be such a line. Speech is speech. You can regulate stuff that leads directly to a bad action (the fire in the crowded theater argument) and threats of real harm but that's it. Anyone should have the right to say whatever they want to say about anyone else's beliefs or person or attributes. Heck, D1B might be the biggest Catholic hater I've ever met but he's more than entitled to say what he says. That's what freedom is. Blasphemy should be embraced for what it is - freedom. If I had a cartoon of Muhammed I would post it right now.

Agreed. Also, you can make your own cartoon of Muhammad.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

[kalm]

My question is what are the vast majority of peace loving followers of Islam doing to reign in the small minority of radical Islamists? Their response to these radicals seems to be similar to that of the majority of peace loving Germans reacting to the Nazis in the 1930's...

The Arab League and Al-Azhar, the Sunni Muslim world's premier Islamic institution, were among many countries and international organization that strongly condemned Wednesday's deadly shooting attack on the office of French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo.

"Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi strongly condemns the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo newspaper in Paris," the League said after gunmen stormed the weekly's offices killing at least 12 people and chanting "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest).

Al-Azhar, a thousand-year-old seat of religious learning respected by Muslims around the world, referred to the attack as a criminal act, saying that "Islam denounces any violence", in remarks carried by Egypt's state news agency MENA.

Wednesday's shooting was described by French President Francois Hollande as "a terrorist attack" in statements carried by Reuters.

The incident prompted worldwide reactions, from the Arab world, the United States, Russia, Germany, the United Kingdom and several others.

Arab states, including Saudi Arabia and Lebanon, have condemned the Paris newspaper attack.

Saudi Arabia described it as a “cowardly terrorist act which Islam as well as other religions reject,” the state-run Saudi Press Agency quoted an official source as saying.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/wo ... tack-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[andy7171]

Great idea, police without weapons. Cap'n Cat's dream.

Again, dumbest motherfucker on this board. You and SuperHornet.

You have openly advocated against police weilding guns. Have you not?

[ASUG8]

I always like the term "strongly condemn". As if it carries more weight than simply "condemning" something without taking any action.

[travelinman67]

I always like the term "strongly condemn". As if it carries more weight than simply "condemning" something without taking any action.

With ineffective organizations like the U.N. and I.C.C. scripting global response to terrorism, we're a few years away from accepting the inevitable solution...

...that terrorism will only be defeated by swift, unspeakably aggressive, unmerciful, violence. Hamarabi law.

Erase the responsible. Any trace they existed.

Their friends, family, neighbors.

Send the message, "If you fail to stop these people, you are equally responsible."

Understand, "...in the pursuit of wrongdoing, one must step away from God."...

...a simple dialogue that explains this problem.

[CAA Flagship]

So when does freedom of speech cross the "hate" line?

There shouldn't be such a line. Speech is speech. You can regulate stuff that leads directly to a bad action (the fire in the crowded theater argument) and threats of real harm but that's it. Anyone should have the right to say whatever they want to say about anyone else's beliefs or person or attributes. Heck, D1B might be the biggest Catholic hater I've ever met but he's more than entitled to say what he says. That's what freedom is. Blasphemy should be embraced for what it is - freedom. If I had a cartoon of Muhammed I would post it right now.

Completely agree. But there are many groups of people here in America that go apeshit over certain "speech". Nappy-headed hos for one. There IS a line. Apparently Charlie Hebdo didn't learn this from past experiences.

[GannonFan]

There shouldn't be such a line. Speech is speech. You can regulate stuff that leads directly to a bad action (the fire in the crowded theater argument) and threats of real harm but that's it. Anyone should have the right to say whatever they want to say about anyone else's beliefs or person or attributes. Heck, D1B might be the biggest Catholic hater I've ever met but he's more than entitled to say what he says. That's what freedom is. Blasphemy should be embraced for what it is - freedom. If I had a cartoon of Muhammed I would post it right now.

Completely agree. But there are many groups of people here in America that go apeshit over certain "speech". Nappy-headed hos for one. There IS a line. Apparently Charlie Hebdo didn't learn this from past experiences.

Of course there's a line for which going over results in people going "apeshit". Obviously that happened in this case. But it doesn't validate or excuse those people who go "apeshit" or committ acts like this. Freedom of speech is just that, freedom. Being offended never justifies actions like these.

[Grizalltheway]

I always like the term "strongly condemn". As if it carries more weight than simply "condemning" something without taking any action.

Kind of like gun fucks condemning mass shootings, but not "taking any action" to stop them.

[CAA Flagship]

Completely agree. But there are many groups of people here in America that go apeshit over certain "speech". Nappy-headed hos for one. There IS a line. Apparently Charlie Hebdo didn't learn this from past experiences.

Of course there's a line for which going over results in people going "apeshit". Obviously that happened in this case. But it doesn't validate or excuse those people who go "apeshit" or committ acts like this. Freedom of speech is just that, freedom. Being offended never justifies actions like these.

Agree.
I'm just drilling down on this "freedom of speech" garbage. There is a legal line, and there is a public opinion line. They are certainly two different lines. "Hate speech" is always condemned by the left, unless it is coming from the left, as in this case. I'm just amazed that Charlie Hebdo failed to see where that public opinion line was, especially considering the volatility of the "butt of their joke".

[CAA Flagship]

I always like the term "strongly condemn". As if it carries more weight than simply "condemning" something without taking any action.

Kind of like gun fucks condemning mass shootings, but not "taking any action" to stop them.

And like people that are pissed off for having to buy new shoes after puking on them, but continue drinking.

[LeadBolt]

My question is what are the vast majority of peace loving followers of Islam doing to reign in the small minority of radical Islamists? Their response to these radicals seems to be similar to that of the majority of peace loving Germans reacting to the Nazis in the 1930's...

The Arab League and Al-Azhar, the Sunni Muslim world's premier Islamic institution, were among many countries and international organization that strongly condemned Wednesday's deadly shooting attack on the office of French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo.

"Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi strongly condemns the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo newspaper in Paris," the League said after gunmen stormed the weekly's offices killing at least 12 people and chanting "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest).

Al-Azhar, a thousand-year-old seat of religious learning respected by Muslims around the world, referred to the attack as a criminal act, saying that "Islam denounces any violence", in remarks carried by Egypt's state news agency MENA.

Wednesday's shooting was described by French President Francois Hollande as "a terrorist attack" in statements carried by Reuters.

The incident prompted worldwide reactions, from the Arab world, the United States, Russia, Germany, the United Kingdom and several others.

Arab states, including Saudi Arabia and Lebanon, have condemned the Paris newspaper attack.

Saudi Arabia described it as a “cowardly terrorist act which Islam as well as other religions reject,” the state-run Saudi Press Agency quoted an official source as saying.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/wo ... tack-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for proving my point.

Many in Germany in the 1930's condemned the action of the Nazi's, but they took no meaningful action to confront them and to stop them, much as the rest of the Islamic world is condemning the radical Islamists without taking meaningful action to stop them.

Just as peaceful Germans rendered themselves irrelevant to the Nazis with hollow words and no meaningful actions to oppose them, the peaceful Muslims are rendering themselves irrelevant with their statements of condemnation, rather than backing them up with action.

Time and time again through history, these radical movements tend to gain strength in the face of toothless opposition from those of their same demographic, until they oil over on to other demographics causing war. Chamberlain condemned Hitler, before he cut a deal with him for peace in his time...

[Grizalltheway]

Kind of like gun fucks condemning mass shootings, but not "taking any action" to stop them.

And like people that are pissed off for having to buy new shoes after puking on them, but continue drinking.

You think I haven't learned to avoid my shoes by now? Don't patronize me, wop.

[andy7171]

The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam!

[BDKJMU]

Link contains video of police being shot in street and attackers leaving in car.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... rlie-hebdo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So when does freedom of speech cross the "hate" line?



Edit:
Here is an unedited video:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ec_1420640263" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So when does the cowardly supposedly moderate muslim majority give more than token lipspeak against the radical muslim extremists?

My question is what are the vast majority of peace loving followers of Islam doing to reign in the small minority of radical Islamists? Their response to these radicals seems to be similar to that of the majority of peace loving Germans reacting to the Nazis in the 1930's...

You beat me to it.

[BDKJMU]

If you keep poking the sleeping bear........

Charlie Hebdo, the satirical French magazine that was the target of a deadly attack today, is part of a long tradition of French satire dating to the days before the French Revolution.

The left-wing magazine is known for its biting takedowns. Its past targets include the political right wing, capitalism, Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

It most recently came to the world's attention when it published cartoons of Islam's Prophet Muhammad soon after the deadly 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that killed Chris Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya. Initially, it was thought that an anti-Islam film had fanned the violence. The magazine, in its cartoons, referred to that film. At the time, editor Stephane Charbonnier said the cartoons would "shock those who want to be shocked."

Many Muslims consider the depiction of their prophet to be blasphemous.

A year earlier, Charlie Hebdo's offices were firebombed after it published an issue that invited the Prophet Muhammad to be guest editor; the issue included an article about what a soft version of Sharia might look like. The magazine was renamed Charia Hebdo for the issue, and its cover included an image of the prophet with the line, "A thousand lashes if you don't die laughing."

The magazine was also part of the controversy over the publication in 2005 by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten of cartoons depicting Islam's prophet. The newspaper said the decision to publish the 12 editorial cartoons would contribute to the debate over Islam and free speech. The move resulted in violent protests worldwide and threats against Jyllands-Posten. In solidarity, Charlie Hebdo reprinted the 12 cartoons in 2006. Its headline for the feature was "Muhammad Overwhelmed By Fundamentalists."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... s-religion" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And of all those those groups, only one committed a terrorist attack against it....

[BDKJMU]

My question is what are the vast majority of peace loving followers of Islam doing to reign in the small minority of radical Islamists? Their response to these radicals seems to be similar to that of the majority of peace loving Germans reacting to the Nazis in the 1930's...

The Arab League and Al-Azhar, the Sunni Muslim world's premier Islamic institution, were among many countries and international organization that strongly condemned Wednesday's deadly shooting attack on the office of French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo.

"Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi strongly condemns the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo newspaper in Paris," the League said after gunmen stormed the weekly's offices killing at least 12 people and chanting "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest).

Al-Azhar, a thousand-year-old seat of religious learning respected by Muslims around the world, referred to the attack as a criminal act, saying that "Islam denounces any violence", in remarks carried by Egypt's state news agency MENA.

Wednesday's shooting was described by French President Francois Hollande as "a terrorist attack" in statements carried by Reuters.

The incident prompted worldwide reactions, from the Arab world, the United States, Russia, Germany, the United Kingdom and several others.

Arab states, including Saudi Arabia and Lebanon, have condemned the Paris newspaper attack.

Saudi Arabia described it as a “cowardly terrorist act which Islam as well as other religions reject,” the state-run Saudi Press Agency quoted an official source as saying.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/wo ... tack-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Token lipspeak..

[kalm]

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/wo ... tack-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Token lipspeak..

Yeah…that's all muslims have done…

[kalm]

I always like the term "strongly condemn". As if it carries more weight than simply "condemning" something without taking any action.

With ineffective organizations like the U.N. and I.C.C. scripting global response to terrorism, we're a few years away from accepting the inevitable solution...

...that terrorism will only be defeated by swift, unspeakably aggressive, unmerciful, violence. Hamarabi law.

Erase the responsible. Any trace they existed.

Their friends, family, neighbors.

Send the message, "If you fail to stop these people, you are equally responsible."

Understand, "...in the pursuit of wrongdoing, one must step away from God."...

...a simple dialogue that explains this problem.

The long game is enlightenment. This type of attitude only prolongs the violence and war on terror.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I always like the term "strongly condemn". As if it carries more weight than simply "condemning" something without taking any action.

Kind of like gun fucks condemning mass shootings, but not "taking any action" to stop them.

Gun fucks have nothing to do with mass shootings, idiot.

[CID1990]

The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam!

whoop

there it is

[Grizalltheway]

Kind of like gun fucks condemning mass shootings, but not "taking any action" to stop them.

Gun fucks have nothing to do with mass shootings, idiot.

Neither do Muslims who don't shoot people or blow themselves up, douche breath.

[93henfan]

The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam!

Fuck Allah and Muhammad Ali!

[travelinman67]

Suspects identif...

...wait...

...one dead, two in custody.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris- ... ay-n281761

...aaaand...they're blaming the U.S. in Iraq for their original motivator!

TA-DA!

Just blame Bush!

[BDKJMU]

Europe needs to wake the f up to the and start taking steps to stamp out the unchecked Islamisation, going on in their own backyards, starting off with France. Time to put the clamps down on lax immigration laws. The more this type of stuff happens the more the masses are going to wake the f up. You're going to see a groundswell start to build I think..