Republicans Fight Net Neutrality

[kalm]

This is a good example of government regulation that helps competition, innovation, and freedom.
Either they don't understand how this all works, or it's more campaign bribery, or both.

BTW, CID, this was the headline posted at Huffpoop this morning which linked directly to the WSJ article. Thought you'd enjoy knowing that.

WASHINGTON—Newly fortified Republicans in Congress are considering a number of ways to stymie the Obama administration’s planned regulations on broadband Internet providers in 2015, making Capitol Hill a new front in the fight over “net neutrality.”

Concern about the rules is playing into Republican efforts to rein in what they say is regulatory overreach by the Federal Communications Commission.

Dissension over the Internet rules is so rancorous that it could end up impeding progress on technology policy areas where there is potential for agreement, such as cybersecurity and the allocation of wireless spectrum, according to telecom lobbyists and congressional aides.

The FCC spent most of 2014 drafting the new rules for how broadband Internet providers manage their networks, and it plans to vote on a final rule in February. Shortly after the midterm elections, President Barack Obama called on the FCC to impose the strongest possible rules on providers by classifying broadband as a utility, which would make it subject to much greater regulation. The rules are designed to protect net neutrality—the principle that all Internet traffic should be treated equally.

Many conservatives and the broadband industry say utility-like regulation is a step too far, arguing it will stifle innovation in the industry. That view is held by some pivotal players in the new Congress, such as John Thune (R., S.D.), the incoming chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee.

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[Chizzang]

As much money as Comcast and Time Warner spend on Lobby interests...
This is just Comcast below


Its going to be very difficult to extract the bought and payed for politicians from the middle of this
Those that have been purchased by Comcast will fight to the death

[CID1990]

This is nothing more than a hammer in search of a nail.

Eventually it will be used to nefarious speech stifling ends and when that happens we'll have a Slate or Huffpo article talking about all the Republocans who actually voted for it.

[Pwns]

My issue with net neutrality is that I'm skeptical that a government that has trouble building a health care website can effectively and fairly regulate how bandwidth (which is only going to get more scarce) is used. I understand the concern behind NN but the law of unintended consequences will almost certainly apply here.

Now I know people like Cleets will say there is vast amounts of untapped bandwidth, but I've never seen any real proof of that and if it's true why don't ISP's use that bandwidth to offer better service to customers and outcompete other ISPs?

[Chizzang]

My issue with net neutrality is that I'm skeptical that a government that has trouble building a health care website can effectively and fairly regulate how bandwidth (which is only going to get more scarce) is used. I understand the concern behind NN but the law of unintended consequences will almost certainly apply here.

Now I know people like Cleets will say there is vast amounts of untapped bandwidth, but I've never seen any real proof of that and if it's true why don't ISP's use that bandwidth to offer better service to customers and outcompete other ISPs?

What you know abut fiber networks and broadband data infrastructure couldn't fill a thimble... But thanks for pretending to be all "Here's the scoop" on unintended consequences"



Monopoly Cartels such as Comcast and Time Warner are in a business much like DeBeers
DeBeers keeps a relatively common byproduct "The Diamond"
at sky high prices by restricting distribution and availability

Just read one paragraph of this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... nd/304575/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay,
After that brief lesson in cartel Monopoly distribution control
We can now freely move on to Broadband

We built the broadband network infrastructure - and when I say we - I mean the American Tax Payer
Companies like Comcast were funded lots and lots of of money to build out the network
(I'll give you the entire history of how that happened if you'd like)

After much political shenanigans and approved criminal activity in the 90's
There are but scant few remaining service providers because the Federal Government over-saw and managed the monopolization of the business model (Notice Lobby money chart above)

Suffice to say:
It is robust and quite capable of delivering huge bandwidth

The Cable Broadband Industry is perhaps the most corrupt government inter-tangled cluster fork in recent America Political history

[Grizalltheway]

So Chizz, where does Google Fiber fit into this? Are they planning to expand outside of Austin, Provo etc any time soon?

[Chizzang]

So Chizz, where does Google Fiber fit into this? Are they planning to expand outside of Austin, Provo etc any time soon?

Here's an example:
Of just how embedded and corrupt the major Cable companies and the Federal Government are
Google tried to give Santa Clara free wi-fi

And when I say give I mean free
and when I say wifi I mean 12Mb/s available free to the entire city - every home - every office - everybody

Now ponder that for a second...
And guess what happened, take your time if this seems tricky


Guess why Provo Kansas City and Austin...

[Chizzang]

One more quick note of sarcasm:
All the while as the Federal Government was suing Microsoft for monopoly practices (1998 to 2001)

Comcast Cable had purchased 5 minor service providers
And 4 major cable operations in the previous 5 years

And then in front of the entire world and with full cooperation from the Federal Government
and culminating in the single largest slap in the consumers face
Comcast purchased Media One and AT&T Cable

This would be no less than Coca-Cola purchasing the entire Pepsi conglomerate
and all Anhauser Busch brands
in the same week

Yeah... its a Government approved Cartel

And now:
With our Network that we paid for
They want the final piece of their ultimate monopoly approved by the Federal Government
and that final piece is the ability to pick and chose who gets bandwidth over (OUR) network


Unintended Consequences

[Pwns]

What you know abut fiber networks and broadband data infrastructure couldn't fill a thimble... But thanks for pretending to be all "Here's the scoop" on unintended consequences"



Monopoly Cartels such as Comcast and Time Warner are in a business much like DeBeers
DeBeers keeps a relatively common byproduct "The Diamond"
at sky high prices by restricting distribution and availability

Just read one paragraph of this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... nd/304575/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay,
After that brief lesson in cartel Monopoly distribution control
We can now freely move on to Broadband

We built the broadband network infrastructure - and when I say we - I mean the American Tax Payer
Companies like Comcast were funded lots and lots of of money to build out the network
(I'll give you the entire history of how that happened if you'd like)

After much political shenanigans and approved criminal activity in the 90's
There are but scant few remaining service providers because the Federal Government over-saw and managed the monopolization of the business model (Notice Lobby money chart above)

Suffice to say:
It is robust and quite capable of delivering huge bandwidth

The Cable Broadband Industry is perhaps the most corrupt government inter-tangled cluster fork in recent America Political history

Are you going to complain about telecom lobbying and at the same time try to tell me a net neutrality bill is a good idea and will be crafted with the consumer in mind?

I don't know much about web and software development but I bet I could find a bunch of starving twenty-somethings trying to create the next big startup in silicon valley and they'd do a better job of building healthcare.gov than the people who actually built it did.

Is there any good reason for me to believe whatever NN plan the government craps out will make the internet better for the masses?

[Chizzang]

What you know abut fiber networks and broadband data infrastructure couldn't fill a thimble... But thanks for pretending to be all "Here's the scoop" on unintended consequences"



Monopoly Cartels such as Comcast and Time Warner are in a business much like DeBeers
DeBeers keeps a relatively common byproduct "The Diamond"
at sky high prices by restricting distribution and availability

Just read one paragraph of this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... nd/304575/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay,
After that brief lesson in cartel Monopoly distribution control
We can now freely move on to Broadband

We built the broadband network infrastructure - and when I say we - I mean the American Tax Payer
Companies like Comcast were funded lots and lots of of money to build out the network
(I'll give you the entire history of how that happened if you'd like)

After much political shenanigans and approved criminal activity in the 90's
There are but scant few remaining service providers because the Federal Government over-saw and managed the monopolization of the business model (Notice Lobby money chart above)

Suffice to say:
It is robust and quite capable of delivering huge bandwidth

The Cable Broadband Industry is perhaps the most corrupt government inter-tangled cluster fork in recent America Political history

Are you going to complain about telecom lobbying and at the same time try to tell me a net neutrality bill is a good idea and will be crafted with the consumer in mind?

I don't know much about web and software development but I bet I could find a bunch of starving twenty-somethings trying to create the next big startup in silicon valley and they'd do a better job of building healthcare.gov than the people who actually built it did.

Is there any good reason for me to believe whatever NN plan the government craps out will make the internet better for the masses?

Net Neutrality is about leaving (OUR) network alone...
Its about breaking the relationship between big Gov. and Cable not expanding it

[kalm]

Are you going to complain about telecom lobbying and at the same time try to tell me a net neutrality bill is a good idea and will be crafted with the consumer in mind?

I don't know much about web and software development but I bet I could find a bunch of starving twenty-somethings trying to create the next big startup in silicon valley and they'd do a better job of building healthcare.gov than the people who actually built it did.

Is there any good reason for me to believe whatever NN plan the government craps out will make the internet better for the masses?

Net Neutrality is about leaving (OUR) network alone...
Its about breaking the relationship between big Gov. and Cable not expanding it

This is the point that Ted Cruz, CID, and others miss. Nice work, Chizzy.

[Chizzang]

Net Neutrality is about leaving (OUR) network alone...
Its about breaking the relationship between big Gov. and Cable not expanding it

This is the point that Ted Cruz, CID, and others miss. Nice work, Chizzy.

All they need to do is read my above posts (in order) and they will understand perfectly...



I was working in that industry during the monoplization period
The U.S. went from hundreds (like 300) cable companies competing against each other
to 4 companies owning 90+ percent of the contiguous U.S. subscriber territories in 5 years

All with the complete support and guidance of the Federal Government

And now here we are 5 minutes to midnight (so to speak)
and 30 years of the cable industry and the federal government sleeping together
and a few politicians have figured out that...
"Hey wait a second"

If we let this happen this is the final phase of Big Cable completely controlling the fiber Network
that we all built and paid for...



Its about like letting General Motors and Ford charge a toll on ALL U.S. FREEWAYS
because they make cars

[Ivytalk]

What I fear about this new regulatory structure is creeping restrictions on content. If people are concerned about the market power of Comcast with respect to the Internet, use the antitrust laws.

[CID1990]

What I fear about this new regulatory structure is creeping restrictions on content. If people are concerned about the market power of Comcast with respect to the Internet, use the antitrust laws.

Hey Ivy how's about you and me have a circle jerk with each other as we talk about Clitz and Klam?

Only we can do it more effectively in less than 50 sentences.

[Baldy]

One more quick note of sarcasm:
All the while as the Federal Government was suing Microsoft for monopoly practices (1998 to 2001)

Comcast Cable had purchased 5 minor service providers
And 4 major cable operations in the previous 5 years

And then in front of the entire world and with full cooperation from the Federal Government
and culminating in the single largest slap in the consumers face
Comcast purchased Media One and AT&T Cable

This would be no less than Coca-Cola purchasing the entire Pepsi conglomerate
and all Anhauser Busch brands
in the same week

Yeah... its a Government approved Cartel

And now:
With our Network that we paid for
They want the final piece of their ultimate monopoly approved by the Federal Government
and that final piece is the ability to pick and chose who gets bandwidth over (OUR) network


Unintended Consequences

So the cable conglomerates build a cartel and are in cahoots with the Feds, now the Feds are going to pass a law and truly exercise and be the guardians of "net neutrality".

Right....



Wolves/hen house analogy.

When the government wants to be the arbiter of fairness and neutrality, it is only seeking more power and control, period.

[Pwns]

What I fear about this new regulatory structure is creeping restrictions on content. If people are concerned about the market power of Comcast with respect to the Internet, use the antitrust laws.

Having to prove something in a court of law is so corporate.

[SDHornet]

I don't know the in's and out's of this "Net Neutrality" thingy, but I know enough to say that the Fed gov will fail in trying to regulate (deregulate?) the interwebs and that the monopolized providers will be able to do whatever they want. Just don't touch my access to free internet porn and there won't be any problems.

[Chizzang]

One more quick note of sarcasm:
All the while as the Federal Government was suing Microsoft for monopoly practices (1998 to 2001)

Comcast Cable had purchased 5 minor service providers
And 4 major cable operations in the previous 5 years

And then in front of the entire world and with full cooperation from the Federal Government
and culminating in the single largest slap in the consumers face
Comcast purchased Media One and AT&T Cable

This would be no less than Coca-Cola purchasing the entire Pepsi conglomerate
and all Anhauser Busch brands
in the same week

Yeah... its a Government approved Cartel

And now:
With our Network that we paid for
They want the final piece of their ultimate monopoly approved by the Federal Government
and that final piece is the ability to pick and chose who gets bandwidth over (OUR) network


Unintended Consequences

So the cable conglomerates build a cartel and are in cahoots with the Feds, now the Feds are going to pass a law and truly exercise and be the guardians of "net neutrality".

Right....



Wolves/hen house analogy.

When the government wants to be the arbiter of fairness and neutrality, it is only seeking more power and control, period.

You are so right, your Bladness (so right)

The few Politicians that actually care about this issue are already bought and paid for
The leader of the pack being President Obama who already caved in by giving the FCC Chairman position to the Broadband Lobby King Tom Wheeler

Literally:
The Chief Broadband Lobbyist crook was given the FCC Chairman's Position
So Indeed - the Fox is now completely overseeing the Hen House

[kalm]

What I fear about this new regulatory structure is creeping restrictions on content. If people are concerned about the market power of Comcast with respect to the Internet, use the antitrust laws.

But that would require a justice department taking on the establishment. Why would you believe there would be any motivation to do that? How long would it take?

I get the slippery, slope and don't trust either, but please indicate a parallel where government has censored the flow of information similar to what you are suggesting.

In the meantime, we can have the internet the way it has been or allow the providers to control the content. This is a rare instance where regulation is needed to protect the commons.

[kalm]

What I fear about this new regulatory structure is creeping restrictions on content. If people are concerned about the market power of Comcast with respect to the Internet, use the antitrust laws.

Hey Ivy how's about you and me have a circle jerk with each other as we talk about Clitz and Klam?

Only we can do it more effectively in less than 50 sentences.

We could just PM each other electronic high 5's but I like trying to get you to think. I'm here for ya.

[Ivytalk]

What I fear about this new regulatory structure is creeping restrictions on content. If people are concerned about the market power of Comcast with respect to the Internet, use the antitrust laws.

But that would require a justice department taking on the establishment. Why would you believe there would be any motivation to do that? How long would it take?

I get the slippery, slope and don't trust either, but please indicate a parallel where government has censored the flow of information similar to what you are suggesting.

In the meantime, we can have the internet the way it has been or allow the providers to control the content. This is a rare instance where regulation is needed to protect the commons.

If there's an antitrust case to be made, it should be made. Holder is no shrinking violet, and I don't expect that Loretta Lynch (assuming that she is confirmed as successor AG) will be, either. It may take time, but it will be fought out in open court.

As for parallels, "censor" is not the right word: "control" is closer to the mark. I have in mind the old, now-revoked Fairness Doctrine that the FCC used to impose on the publicly broadcasted discussion of controversial issues. Wouldn't want that one to slip through to the Internet by regulatory fiat.

[Chizzang]

But that would require a justice department taking on the establishment. Why would you believe there would be any motivation to do that? How long would it take?

I get the slippery, slope and don't trust either, but please indicate a parallel where government has censored the flow of information similar to what you are suggesting.

In the meantime, we can have the internet the way it has been or allow the providers to control the content. This is a rare instance where regulation is needed to protect the commons.

If there's an antitrust case to be made, it should be made. Holder is no shrinking violet, and I don't expect that Loretta Lynch (assuming that she is confirmed as successor AG) will be, either. It may take time, but it will be fought out in open court.

As for parallels, "censor" is not the right word: "control" is closer to the mark. I have in mind the old, now-revoked Fairness Doctrine that the FCC used to impose on the publicly broadcasted discussion of controversial issues. Wouldn't want that one to slip through to the Internet by regulatory fiat.

Excuse my while I snort in hilarity...



When was the last significant Antitrust case
Submitted by the Federal Government against the Free market..?

Microsoft 1998 / What was the outcome..?

Interestingly enough this all was happening at the same time
While the Cable Industry was greasing the wheels and simultaneously buying ALL Competition
The DOJ has a curious way of selecting exactly WHO to go after



One minute it's "You can't trust the Government"
The next Minute it's "The Government will handle this Antitrust thing"
Excuse me but I'm going to stick with: You can't trust the government - while you and CID flip flop

[houndawg]

What I fear about this new regulatory structure is creeping restrictions on content. If people are concerned about the market power of Comcast with respect to the Internet, use the antitrust laws.

Hey Ivy how's about you and me have a circle jerk with each other as we talk about Clitz and Klam?

Only we can do it more effectively in less than 50 sentences.

Yeah, but it won't be nearly as interesting.


Smart guy use big words. Make Ug head hurt...

[houndawg]

If there's an antitrust case to be made, it should be made. Holder is no shrinking violet, and I don't expect that Loretta Lynch (assuming that she is confirmed as successor AG) will be, either. It may take time, but it will be fought out in open court.

As for parallels, "censor" is not the right word: "control" is closer to the mark. I have in mind the old, now-revoked Fairness Doctrine that the FCC used to impose on the publicly broadcasted discussion of controversial issues. Wouldn't want that one to slip through to the Internet by regulatory fiat.

Excuse my while I snort in hilarity...



When was the last significant Antitrust case
Submitted by the Federal Government against the Free market..?

Microsoft 1998 / What was the outcome..?

Interestingly enough this all was happening at the same time
While the Cable Industry was greasing the wheels and simultaneously buying ALL Competition
The DOJ has a curious way of selecting exactly WHO to go after



One minute it's "You can't trust the Government"
The next Minute it's "The Government will handle this Antitrust thing"
Excuse me but I'm going to stick with: You can't trust the government - while you and CID flip flop

Give a couple of hard-working government employees a break...

[CID1990]

Excuse my while I snort in hilarity...



When was the last significant Antitrust case
Submitted by the Federal Government against the Free market..?

Microsoft 1998 / What was the outcome..?

Interestingly enough this all was happening at the same time
While the Cable Industry was greasing the wheels and simultaneously buying ALL Competition
The DOJ has a curious way of selecting exactly WHO to go after



One minute it's "You can't trust the Government"
The next Minute it's "The Government will handle this Antitrust thing"
Excuse me but I'm going to stick with: You can't trust the government - while you and CID flip flop

Give a couple of hard-working government employees a break...

You're an idiot.

Where's that new full retard meme I found? I fits you to a tee.