Protests

[CAA Flagship]

If someone is going to go down can they make it Al Sharpton?

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[Chizzang]

Yep. That's what happens when you elect an anti police mayor. Things gonna get ugly in NYC..

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

[kalm]

Yep. That's what happens when you elect an anti police mayor. Things gonna get ugly in NYC..

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

Me too...

[CAA Flagship]

Yep. That's what happens when you elect an anti police mayor. Things gonna get ugly in NYC..

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

Define "Anti-Police" first.

[Baldy]

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

Me too...

[CAA Flagship]

Me too...

Sorry kalmy, but I am at this.

[kalm]

Sorry kalmy, but I am at this.

Why apologize?

[kalm]

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

Define "Anti-Police" first.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WiT-c3NA0M#t=116[/youtube]

[houndawg]

Yep. That's what happens when you elect an anti police mayor. Things gonna get ugly in NYC..

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

He forgot to preface a statement with hero worship of the NYPD?

[CID1990]

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

He forgot to preface a statement with hero worship of the NYPD?

You really are fixated on the hero worship thing arent you, Yardboy?

[Chizzang]

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

Define "Anti-Police" first.

No dope, that's called tennis without a net debate tactics...

A vague accusation statement was made in this debate:
"The Mayor is Anti-Police"

My reply was:
"Please give an example of the Mayor being Anti-Police"

Then you jump in and ask me to define something to which I have staked no claim

Quit being a dill weed and please step aside

[BDKJMU]

Yep. That's what happens when you elect an anti police mayor. Things gonna get ugly in NYC..

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

-In his past roles as a public official, he’s sided with the victims of alleged police brutality
-Publicly talked about how his own son would be in danger if confronted by police.
-Supported the Garner protesters. Both verbally and allowing them near carte blanch in terms of blocking streets.

".....But the action that turned off cops most of all was his defense ofCity Hall staffer Rachel Noerdlinger, a longtime Sharpton aide whose son and boyfriend posted anti-police messages on their Facebook accounts. The boyfriend allegedly tried to drive a cop off the road in Edgewater, New Jersey, and later pleaded to a lesser offense, according to the New York Post. The mayor stood behind Noerdlinger for weeks until her son was arrested for trespassing — and even then he didn’t fire her. When she left her job, City Hall officials said she was on leave.

“His words and his deeds don’t match,” said veteran cop reporter Leonard Levitt, who runs NYPD Confidential, a website fed by tips from inside the department and widely read by the rank and file. “You had Noerdlinger’s son calling cops ‘pigs’ and de Blasio doesn’t think that’s inappropriate? What message are you sending? De Blasio says it’s just the union guys who are angry. It’s not. It’s everybody. I’ve been covering this for 25 years and I have never seen anything like it. … The mayor doesn’t have a clue.”....."
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/b ... 13755.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Chizzang]

Can you identify ONE THING the Mayor has done that is Anti-Police..?
Not hearsay or pundit soundbites - but actual factual Anti-Police actions form the Mayor

I'm curious

-In his past roles as a public official, he’s sided with the victims of alleged police brutality
-Publicly talked about how his own son would be in danger if confronted by police.
-Supported the Garner protesters. Both verbally and allowing them near carte blanch in terms of blocking streets.

".....But the action that turned off cops most of all was his defense ofCity Hall staffer Rachel Noerdlinger, a longtime Sharpton aide whose son and boyfriend posted anti-police messages on their Facebook accounts. The boyfriend allegedly tried to drive a cop off the road in Edgewater, New Jersey, and later pleaded to a lesser offense, according to the New York Post. The mayor stood behind Noerdlinger for weeks until her son was arrested for trespassing — and even then he didn’t fire her. When she left her job, City Hall officials said she was on leave.

“His words and his deeds don’t match,” said veteran cop reporter Leonard Levitt, who runs NYPD Confidential, a website fed by tips from inside the department and widely read by the rank and file. “You had Noerdlinger’s son calling cops ‘pigs’ and de Blasio doesn’t think that’s inappropriate? What message are you sending? De Blasio says it’s just the union guys who are angry. It’s not. It’s everybody. I’ve been covering this for 25 years and I have never seen anything like it. … The mayor doesn’t have a clue.”....."
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/b ... 13755.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As I suspected:
You're confusing "NOT sucking the NYPD Unions dick" with being Anti-Police... these things are not the same
Just because I don;t give you a blow Job doesn't mean I'm against you

(from your article)
"a full-blown political crisis for the new mayor was testament to the vehemence of anti-de Blasio elements in the police union — and the mayor’s mistaken belief that his 2013 victory gave him the right to shred an old Gotham political playbook that dictated a mayor show deference to the New York Police Department.
You can’t be big-city mayor and alienate the cops — and that’s just as true now as it was under three-term New York City Mayor Ed Koch, or even a century ago."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/b ... z3MkL4mA4B" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They Mayor is simply not kissing Police Ass
Which is a Political disaster - I think we're on the same page there - the Mayor is STUPID
but he's not Anti-Police he's just not politically savvy

[travelinman67]

Bullshit, Hippie.

You challenged; BDK put up.

Now you're simply spinning perception.

Fuck off.

Deblasio is an anti-police, pro-socialist, anti-capitalism, whore, pandering to the anti-American baby boomers and genetically poor placeholders who contribute NOTHING but their votes.

[Chizzang]

Bullshit, Hippie.

You challenged; BDK put up.

Now you're simply spinning perception.

Fuck off.

Deblasio is an anti-police, pro-socialist, anti-capitalism, whore, pandering to the anti-American baby boomers and genetically poor placeholders who contribute NOTHING but their votes.

NYC needs a Police Department a lot more than it needs a Mayor
Particularly a stupid Mayer (such as they have) A lesson the Mayor is about to learn

But
I liken it to when we all debate the United Auto Workers Union in Detroit...
You have strong opinions there as well (however at a full 180 degrees opposite)

Unions are there to protect their own AT ALL COSTS regardless of facts or otherwise
AND:
The Mayor is just an Idiot - Nobody would ever debate that
He had the bad idea of holding the Police accountable for their actions- bad idea
Unions don't play that game

[CAA Flagship]

But
I liken it to when we all debate the United Auto Workers Union in Detroit...
You have strong opinions there as well (however at a full 180 degrees opposite)

Unions are there to protect their own AT ALL COSTS regardless of facts or otherwise

I'm guessing the reason for the opposite opinion is the benefit that each union's workers provide. If I buy a Toyota, the UAW has little impact to me. If I buy a Chevy or Ford, the impact to me is no comparison to the safety that the police provide. I'm guessing that cops get killed or injured, for circumstances that are not their fault, far more then auto workers. Many cops have to deal with lawbreakers most of their day. Auto workers do not.
So I'm not sure if comparing the two are the same.

But the "Unions" are not really the discussion here. The opinion of the police is. It just so happens that the Police Union is delivering the message.

[kalm]

Does the mayor represent the police or all the city residents?

[CAA Flagship]

Does the mayor represent the police or all the city residents?

The residents. But NYC is far different than almost all cities. It's a whole different dynamic there. Anyone that hasn't lived in/near NYC will not fully understand. The police in NYC are on a different level than any other big city as far as being part of the lives of residents. Boston, Chicago, and LA are next on the list. Philly, DC, and Baltimore are below them. It's hard to explain, but it is just different there. And as Chizzy said, the Mayor should know that. It's almost like he thinks the police there are like the police in Cincinnati or Dallas.

[Chizzang]

But
I liken it to when we all debate the United Auto Workers Union in Detroit...
You have strong opinions there as well (however at a full 180 degrees opposite)

Unions are there to protect their own AT ALL COSTS regardless of facts or otherwise

I'm guessing the reason for the opposite opinion is the benefit that each union's workers provide. If I buy a Toyota, the UAW has little impact to me. If I buy a Chevy or Ford, the impact to me is no comparison to the safety that the police provide. I'm guessing that cops get killed or injured, for circumstances that are not their fault, far more then auto workers. Many cops have to deal with lawbreakers most of their day. Auto workers do not.
So I'm not sure if comparing the two are the same.

But the "Unions" are not really the discussion here. The opinion of the police is. It just so happens that the Police Union is delivering the message.

My point is none of the above ^ and everybody has choices - nobody is forced to be a Police Officer
But I do appreciate your enthusiasm

[CAA Flagship]

I'm guessing the reason for the opposite opinion is the benefit that each union's workers provide. If I buy a Toyota, the UAW has little impact to me. If I buy a Chevy or Ford, the impact to me is no comparison to the safety that the police provide. I'm guessing that cops get killed or injured, for circumstances that are not their fault, far more then auto workers. Many cops have to deal with lawbreakers most of their day. Auto workers do not.
So I'm not sure if comparing the two are the same.

But the "Unions" are not really the discussion here. The opinion of the police is. It just so happens that the Police Union is delivering the message.

My point is none of the above ^ and everybody has choices - nobody is forced to be a Police Officer
But I do appreciate your enthusiasm

Please enlighten us with your point then. Geesh.

[Chizzang]

My point is none of the above ^ and everybody has choices - nobody is forced to be a Police Officer
But I do appreciate your enthusiasm

Please enlighten us with your point then. Geesh.

I can't read my previous 5 posts for you - and then explain them to you

[JohnStOnge]

Chiz, when that New York mayor stood up and gave that speech he gave after the Garner thing that was anti police. Now, people can debate whether what he said was legit or not...the stuff about having to talk to his own son about how to deal with police in the context of him looking black and police singling out young black makes. But it was anti police. The question of whether it was legit or not is separate from the question of whether it was anti police.

But it was anti police. He was basically going along with the idea that police unfairly single out young black males. C'mon man. It was pretty obvious.

[CAA Flagship]

Please enlighten us with your point then. Geesh.

I can't read my previous 5 posts for you - and then explain them to you

Reaching for another Mulligan, I see.

[travelinman67]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/robert ... -to-roost/

The NYPD Cop-Killing: The Chickens Come Home to Roost

When Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley murdered NYPD Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu as they ate lunch in their patrol car last Saturday, the only people who could possibly have been surprised were those who have not realized how assiduously Leftist and Muslim activists have worked – long before the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner — to demonize the NYPD and law enforcement in general. The advent of the killer was only a matter of time.

It has been only lightly reported that Brinsley was a Muslim, and generally when it has been mentioned, it has been dismissed as a motive in favor of his statements about wanting to kill police officers to avenge Garner and Brown. But these two motivations – revenge for the perceived racist killings of two black men and Brinsley’s Islamic faith – are not mutually exclusive. Brinsley’s Facebook page featured a photo of the Qur’an open to the eighth chapter, where Allah exhorts the believers to “strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah” (8:60).
Brinsley may have thought, what better way to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah than to kill a couple of infidel, racist police officers?
Investigative journalist Patrick Poole found an additional sign of Brinsley’s attachment to Islam on his Facebook page, where Brinsley wrote at one point that he was heading to “Al-Farooq Tomorrow inshallah.” Poole notes: “If this reference by the cop killer was from Brooklyn (which is hard to discern since his Instagram account has been taken down), it may indicate that he was going to visit Masjid Al-Farooq in Brooklyn.”
Explains Poole:

Al-Farooq’s long history of terror support goes back more than 20 years, when the 1993 World Trade Center bombing was hatched by members. One imam from the early 1990s, when Al-Farooq was a hub of the nascent Al-Qaeda and was hosting Al-Qaeda co-founder Abdullah Azzam, was Fawaz Damra, who was charged, convicted and later deported for lying to immigration officials about his terror ties when he applied for U.S. citizenship.

Meanwhile, Muslim activists in New York City – with willing help from their Leftist allies — have long cultivated a sense of grievance, claiming that they have been unfairly singled out for NYPD surveillance and monitoring. At an October 2011 hearing about the New York Police Department’s counter-terror activities in Muslim areas, New York City Councilman Brad Lander asserted: “It looks like we are targeting Muslim neighborhoods and communities. That’s not good for us. We have people out there who are partners who feel the trust is betrayed.
”New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly defended the NYPD programs, saying, “What we’re doing is following leads.” His critics were not mollified. In February 2012, Muslims in New York held a massive protest against the NYPD. Many protesters were holding printed signs with slogans designed to enhance Muslims’ feelings that they had been targets of NYPD prejudice and discrimination: “FIRE Ray Kelly!”; “Stop NYPD Ethnic, Racial and Religious Profiling”; “Stop Entrapment and Surveillance Without Warrants”; “Muslims Demand Equal Rights”; and “NO to a Police State!” A handwritten sign held by a woman in a hijab foreshadowed the charges widely made against the NYPD after the death of Eric Garner: “GOOD BYE RACIST RAY!”
“Racist Ray”’s days were numbered in October 2013, when, according toCBS NewYork, “Democratic mayoral candidate Bill de Blasio told a group of Muslim supporters Wednesday that they won’t have to live in fear of being under constant surveillance if he’s elected mayor.” Linda Sarsour, head of the Muslim Democratic Club, was pleased: “People are tired of a mayor,” she asserted, “that unequivocally stands behind the (police) commissioner and says that everything we’re doing is right.”De Blasio warmly embraced Sarsour, which in itself was telling, as Sarsour is a rabidly anti-Semitic Islamic supremacist who has said that “nothing is creepier than Zionism” and equated it with “racism.” She is also a frequent visitor to the Obama White House, and has claimed that the jihad underwear bomber was a CIA agent — part of what she claims is a U.S. war against Islam. She is a practiced exploiter of the “hate” smear against foes of jihad terror and Islamic supremacism, and has never apologized for using the Islamic honor murder of Shaima Alawadi to spread lies about the prevalence of hate crimes against Muslims in America.When he became Mayor, de Blasio moved swiftly, dismantling the legal NYPD Muslim surveillance program in April 2014 – thereby validating the Muslim activists’ claims that the program was racist, discriminatory and unjust. But the end of this program did not end the Muslim and Leftist sense of grievance, which was only fueled by the Brown and Garner incidents. Leftist and Muslim groups continued to fuel the perception that police were “racist” and “Islamophobic.”
The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has repeatedly exhorted Muslims to contact a lawyer and the nearest CAIR office if contacted by the FBI, and to “Know Your Rights” and say as little as possible. CAIR would, of course, hotly deny that they have given this advice to Muslims to protect those engaged in terror activity from detection and prosecution, but then the only other alternative is that CAIR wants Muslims to believe that law enforcement officials are engaged in an ongoing campaign to entrap and persecute innocent Muslims.That message, of course, coincides perfectly with that of race-baiters such as Al Sharpton, who have labored so long to foster among black Americans the same idea. In Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley, these dual and interrelated grievances came together, and two policemen are dead. There will be more

[Chizzang]

I can't read my previous 5 posts for you - and then explain them to you

Reaching for another Mulligan, I see.