Socializing The Risk

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Straight from the horses mouth:
“There’s a lot of talk lately about how the Dodd-Frank Act isn’t perfect,” Warren said on the Senate floor. “There’s a lot of talk coming from Citigroup about how the Dodd-Frank Act isn’t perfect. So let me say this to anyone who is listening at Citi: I agree with you. Dodd-Frank isn’t perfect. It should have broken you into pieces.”

Earlier this week, Warren accused Citigroup lobbyists of writing the provision, which she said was inserted into the $1.1 trillion bill at the last minute. Reuters reported that the measure has drawn criticism from both Democrats and more conservative Republicans, each of whom object to other parts of the bill.

“Many Wall Street institutions have exerted extraordinary influence in Washington’s corridors of power, but Citigroup has risen above the others,” she said on Friday. “Its grip over economic policymaking in the executive branch is unprecedented.”

Warren then mentioned that several current and former federal officials — including Federal Reserve Vice Chair Stanley Fischer and Secretary of the Treasury Jack Lew — are past Citigroup employees. She later accused the Treasury Department of blocking the Brown-Kaufman Amendment to Dodd-Frank, which would have placed limits on the size of financial institutions and broken up the country’s six biggest banks.

The proof of the department’s involvement, she said, was an unidentified senior Treasury official’s statement to New York Magazine in 2010 that, “If we’d been for it, it probably would have happened. But we weren’t, so it didn’t.”
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BTW, Ganny, since you seem to struggle with this, this is a speech and not to be confused with an actual regulatory proposal. :lol:
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Fauxcahontas :lol:

Citi, BOA, Wells Fargo, etc. are the targets of Lizzie's fire and brimstone and need to be "broken into pieces" (which I don't disagree with), but nary a peep out of her about GM and Chrysler who are apparently too big to fail. Not to mention that in the sweetheart deal the UAW got an ownership stake in Chrysler and and became one of GM's biggest stakeholders while the bond and stock holders got absolutely nothing. All the while the taxpayers were left on the hook for over $10,000,000,000. :coffee:

It's not a surprise that she got the UAW's endorsement in her 2012 Senate race.

Yep, she's a cunt. :nod:
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Baldy wrote:Fauxcahontas :lol:

Citi, BOA, Wells Fargo, etc. are the targets of Lizzie's fire and brimstone and need to be "broken into pieces" (which I don't disagree with), but nary a peep out of her about GM and Chrysler who are apparently too big to fail. Not to mention that in the sweetheart deal the UAW got an ownership stake in Chrysler and and became one of GM's biggest stakeholders while the bond and stock holders got absolutely nothing. All the while the taxpayers were left on the hook for over $10,000,000,000. :coffee:

It's not a surprise that she got the UAW's endorsement in her 2012 Senate race.

Yep, she's a cunt. :nod:
Let's not forget that banks paid back every dime of TARP money with interest.

Let's also not let the healthcare industry slide, those folks who wrote the Obamacare bill that will do more damage to this nation's economy in the next 10 years than all the banks and auto companies combined.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Baldy wrote:Fauxcahontas :lol:

Citi, BOA, Wells Fargo, etc. are the targets of Lizzie's fire and brimstone and need to be "broken into pieces" (which I don't disagree with), but nary a peep out of her about GM and Chrysler who are apparently too big to fail. Not to mention that in the sweetheart deal the UAW got an ownership stake in Chrysler and and became one of GM's biggest stakeholders while the bond and stock holders got absolutely nothing. All the while the taxpayers were left on the hook for over $10,000,000,000. :coffee:

It's not a surprise that she got the UAW's endorsement in her 2012 Senate race.

Yep, she's a cunt. :nod:
Let's not forget that banks paid back every dime of TARP money with interest.

Let's also not let the healthcare industry slide, those folks who wrote the Obamacare bill that will do
more damage to this nation's economy in the next 10 years than all the banks and auto companies combined.
Yep. If you don't have a problem with this, you need to turn in your fiscal conservative card pronto. :nod:
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I'm fine with not socializing the subject risk. But let's also say that government will completely get out of the business of pressuring banks with respect to who they decide to issue mortgages to and not to issue mortgages too.

Get the government completely out of their business. Then let them make their own decisions as to risk and reward; including decisions about who they're going to deal with and not deal with.

But don't pressure them to issue mortgages that are going to become parts of derivatives that they would not issue if left to their own assessment of risk then turn around and say you're not going to cover them when what you pressured them to do caused them difficulty.

Government out, COMPLETELY. Not government IN in terms of looking over their shoulders with respect to the decisions they make then government OUT when decisions they would not have made if government hadn't been threatening them cause them difficulty.
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BTW I still think the bottom line with respect to the big crisis of 2008 is that if the government had stayed completely out of banks' business it never would have happened. Yes there were many factors but the bottom line is that if government had not pressured banks to issue mortgages to people they would not have issued mortgages to if left to their own judgment the derivatives problem would never have arisen.

Get the government out. Completely.
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JohnStOnge wrote:BTW I still think the bottom line with respect to the big crisis of 2008 is that if the government had stayed completely out of banks' business it never would have happened. Yes there were many factors but the bottom line is that if government had not pressured banks to issue mortgages to people they would not have issued mortgages to if left to their own judgment the derivatives problem would never have arisen.

Get the government out. Completely.
Yep, those banks were practically held at gunpoint by the CRA and it's draconian rules about making loans to the coloreds. The banks, mortgage companies, developers, builders, and realtors hated the boom and were all screaming STOP! :lol:

There was more money tied up in the derivatives market than the entire combined GPA of earth.
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kalm wrote:
There was more money tied up in the derivatives market than the entire combined GPA of earth.
I don't doubt that. Let's face it, there are a lot of dumb people in the world, they're bound to have bad GPA's, assuming they even make it to school.
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GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
There was more money tied up in the derivatives market than the entire combined GPA of earth.
I don't doubt that. Let's face it, there are a lot of dumb people in the world, they're bound to have bad GPA's, assuming they even make it to school.
Fuck! :rofl:
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kalm wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
I don't doubt that. Let's face it, there are a lot of dumb people in the world, they're bound to have bad GPA's, assuming they even make it to school.
Fuck! :rofl:
Directional schools. :lol:
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