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D1B wrote:
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We get it, D.

300 years of mistreatment and chattel slavery has adversely affected blacks to a much higher degree than 2000 years of subjugation at the hands of the Han Chinese has affected the Vietnamese.

I am thinking that by your reasoning that the absolute dysfunction in West Africa actually is NOT due to colonialism, because after all...

it didnt happen in America

Lets face it- Africans in America are ignoring ... no.... REJECTING the opportunities that are available to them in America.
Apples and oranges. My argument deals with the American experience.

Agree AA's are rejecting opportunities.
So what you are saying is that african americans are more sensitive to discrimination than Asians... that Asians are more resilient? Because let's face it- there are oppressed Asians and Africans- millions of them - lining up at embassies and consulates around the world for that golden ticket to America.

You don't see lines of African Americans lining up at the German or Dutch embassies in DC.

I think that contemporary discrimination against AAs in America is 85% bunk. Its nothing more than the American gripe and complaint culture - and EVERY group is being conditioned to do it in one form or another.
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CID1990 wrote:
D1B wrote:
Apples and oranges. My argument deals with the American experience.

Agree AA's are rejecting opportunities.
So what you are saying is that african americans are more sensitive to discrimination than Asians... that Asians are more resilient? Because let's face it- there are oppressed Asians and Africans- millions of them - lining up at embassies and consulates around the world for that golden ticket to America.

You don't see lines of African Americans lining up at the German or Dutch embassies in DC.

I think that contemporary discrimination against AAs in America is 85% bunk. Its nothing more than the American gripe and complaint culture - and EVERY group is being conditioned to do it in one form or another.
Including whitey's. :nod:
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CID1990 wrote:
D1B wrote:
Apples and oranges. My argument deals with the American experience.

Agree AA's are rejecting opportunities.
So what you are saying is that african americans are more sensitive to discrimination than Asians... that Asians are more resilient? Because let's face it- there are oppressed Asians and Africans- millions of them - lining up at embassies and consulates around the world for that golden ticket to America.

You don't see lines of African Americans lining up at the German or Dutch embassies in DC.

I think that contemporary discrimination against AAs in America is 85% bunk. Its nothing more than the American gripe and complaint culture - and EVERY group is being conditioned to do it in one form or another.
I've been told by black people of different nationalities, including actual African's, that American blacks are an embarrassment to the race. Their words, not mine. I met a group of Ethiopians a few years back that were appalled by the behavior they saw and read about.
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CID1990 wrote:
D1B wrote:
Apples and oranges. My argument deals with the American experience.

Agree AA's are rejecting opportunities.
So what you are saying is that african americans are more sensitive to discrimination than Asians... that Asians are more resilient? Because let's face it- there are oppressed Asians and Africans- millions of them - lining up at embassies and consulates around the world for that golden ticket to America.

You don't see lines of African Americans lining up at the German or Dutch embassies in DC.

I think that contemporary discrimination against AAs in America is 85% bunk. Its nothing more than the American gripe and complaint culture - and EVERY group is being conditioned to do it in one form or another.
No, I'm saying the trans Atlantic slave trade was horrifically unique and blacks continue to suffer and have to fight for equality.

Already partially agreed with you regarding contemporary discrimination.
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D1B wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
So what you are saying is that african americans are more sensitive to discrimination than Asians... that Asians are more resilient? Because let's face it- there are oppressed Asians and Africans- millions of them - lining up at embassies and consulates around the world for that golden ticket to America.

You don't see lines of African Americans lining up at the German or Dutch embassies in DC.

I think that contemporary discrimination against AAs in America is 85% bunk. Its nothing more than the American gripe and complaint culture - and EVERY group is being conditioned to do it in one form or another.
No, I'm saying the trans Atlantic slave trade was horrifically unique and blacks continue to suffer and have to fight for equality.

Already partially agreed with you regarding contemporary discrimination.
Cry me a fucking river. Any black "continuing" to suffer is suffering because of their OWN choices. :roll: :roll:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
No, I'm saying the trans Atlantic slave trade was horrifically unique and blacks continue to suffer and have to fight for equality.

Already partially agreed with you regarding contemporary discrimination.
Cry me a fucking river. Any black "continuing" to suffer is suffering because of their OWN choices. :roll: :roll:
Certainly agree in some cases, but we're not far removed from a time when it was OK to hang a black man. Happened in our lifetime. Ferguson is no different.

Takes generations to fully overcome what they went through.
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Cry me a fucking river. Any black "continuing" to suffer is suffering because of their OWN choices. :roll: :roll:
Certainly agree in some cases, but we're not far removed from a time when it was OK to hang a black man. Happened in our lifetime. Ferguson is no different.

Takes generations to fully overcome what they went through.
Then why does GATW always talk about well hung black men all the time?
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CAA Flagship wrote:
D1B wrote:
Certainly agree in some cases, but we're not far removed from a time when it was OK to hang a black man. Happened in our lifetime. Ferguson is no different.

Takes generations to fully overcome what they went through.
Then why does GATW always talk about well hung black men all the time?
Once you go black etc, etc.
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D1B wrote:... but we're not far removed from a time when it was OK to hang a black man. Happened in our lifetime.
How old are you? It wasn't okay to just hang a black man when I was born. Did you vote for FDR?
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GannonFan wrote:
D1B wrote:... but we're not far removed from a time when it was OK to hang a black man. Happened in our lifetime.
How old are you? It wasn't okay to just hang a black man when I was born. Did you vote for FDR?
They were murdering black men and getting away with it in the 60's.
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Oh, I'm 29.
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D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
How old are you? It wasn't okay to just hang a black man when I was born. Did you vote for FDR?
They were murdering black men and getting away with it in the 60's.
There are murders in America today where people get away with it, doesn't mean that it's considered "ok". By the '60's at least it was pretty much established that lynching was not "okay". So for many of us, it wasn't during our lifetime.
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D1B wrote:
They were murdering black men and getting away with it in the 60's.
There are murders in America today where people get away with it, doesn't mean that it's considered "ok". By the '60's at least it was pretty much established that lynching was not "okay". So for many of us, it wasn't during our lifetime.

Senate Apologizes for Not Passing Anti-Lynching Laws
Published June 13, 2005
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The Senate on Monday acknowledged its own failure to stand against the lynching of thousands of black people, a practice that continued well into the 20th century.

"It's important that we are honest with ourselves and that we tell the truth about what happened," Sen. Mary Landrieu (search), D-La., said before the Senate by voice vote approved an apology for blocking anti-lynching legislation at a time when mob violence against blacks was commonplace. At least 80 senators signed on as co-sponsors.

Nearly 200 descendants of lynching victims, and a 91-year-old man thought to be the only living survivor of a lynching attempt, listened from the visitors' gallery to speeches about what Sen. George Allen (search), R-Va., described as "the failure of the Senate to take action when action was most needed."

"I came here to bear witness on behalf of my cousin Jimmy," said Janet Langhart Cohen, wife of former Defense Secretary William Cohen (search) and a member of the group that has pushed for the apology.

Her third cousin, 17-year-old Jimmy Gillenwaters, was killed by a lynch mob near Bowling Green, Ky., in 1912.

He was one of 4,743 people killed by mob violence between 1882 and 1968, according to Tuskegee University records. Of those, nearly three-fourths, 3,446, were blacks. Lynchings reached a peak of 230 in 1892, but they were prevalent well into the 1930s. Twenty lynchings were reported in 1935.

During that time, nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and 1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law.

But the Senate, with Southern conservatives wielding their filibuster powers, refused to act. With the enactment of civil rights laws in the 1960s and changes in national attitudes, the issue faded away.

Lynching is variously defined as a violent act, usually racial in nature, that denies a person due process of law and is carried out with the complicity of the local society.

The sponsors of the resolution, Landrieu and Allen, said they were motivated in part by a recent book, "Without Sanctuary, Lynching Photography in America," in which author James Allen collected lynch pictures, mostly taken by those participating in the killings.

"More than a half-century ago, mere feet from where we sit ... the Senate failed you and your ancestors and our nation," Landrieu told descendants at a lunch in the Capitol.

Among those present was James Cameron, who as a shoeshine boy in Marion, Ind., in 1930 was dragged from a cell and had a rope placed around his neck. Two of his friends, also accused of the murder of a white man and the rape of a white woman, were hanged. Cameron, then 16, was spared when a man in the crowd proclaimed his innocence.

"I was saved by a miracle," said Cameron, who went on to found America's Black Holocaust Museum in Milwaukee. "They were going to lynch me between my two buddies," he said, with thousands of people "hollering for my blood when a voice said, 'Take this boy back."'

The nonbinding resolution apologizes to the victims for the Senate's failure to act and "expresses the deepest sympathies and most solemn regrets of the Senate to the descendants of victims of lynching, the ancestors of whom were deprived of life, human dignity and the constitutional protections accorded all citizens of the United States."

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said President Bush talked about slavery and the travails of American democracy in a meeting Monday with five African leaders. The Senate, McClellan said, "has taken a step that they feel they need to take, given their own past inaction on what were great injustices."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who witnessed racial tensions as a child in Alabama, called the apology "a remarkable and wonderful thing" during an interview with MSNBC's "Hardball."

Acknowledging the mistakes of the past "is an immensely important first step," said Emma Coleman Jordan, professor at the Georgetown Law Center and an expert on the subject. Other steps, she said, could include establishing a national research center and showing atonement by setting up trust funds for the descendants of victims.

Congress in the past has apologized to Japanese-Americans and other persecuted groups, but the issue of reparations has complicated efforts to apologize to blacks for slavery. Jordan said a trust fund for lynching victims descendants would target a far smaller group.
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I've been told by black people of different nationalities, including actual African's, that American blacks are an embarrassment to the race. Their words, not mine. I met a group of Ethiopians a few years back that were appalled by the behavior they saw and read about.
You know, I had that experience back in the 1990s. I was asked to take this African guy around. I can't remember what country. But he was over here getting a graduate degree and also doing some kind of thing where he was getting experience running around with people like me. That guy had an attitude about American Blacks that would make George Wallace seem like Louis Pfleger. I mean, he was all about, "PLEASE don't think I'm like THOSE people."

It was very interesting.
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I've been told by black people of different nationalities, including actual African's, that American blacks are an embarrassment to the race. Their words, not mine. I met a group of Ethiopians a few years back that were appalled by the behavior they saw and read about.
You know, I had that experience back in the 1990s. I was asked to take this African guy around. I can't remember what country. But he was over here getting a graduate degree and also doing some kind of thing where he was getting experience running around with people like me. That guy had an attitude about American Blacks that would make George Wallace seem like Louis Pfleger. I mean, he was all about, "PLEASE don't think I'm like THOSE people."

It was very interesting.
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Acknowledging the mistakes of the past "is an immensely important first step," said Emma Coleman Jordan, professor at the Georgetown Law Center and an expert on the subject. Other steps, she said, could include establishing a national research center and showing atonement by setting up trust funds for the descendants of victims.

Congress in the past has apologized to Japanese-Americans and other persecuted groups, but the issue of reparations has complicated efforts to apologize to blacks for slavery. Jordan said a trust fund for lynching victims descendants would target a far smaller group.
That kind of stuff is absolutely ridiculous. You're going to establish trust funds to pay people because somebody did something to their ancestors? I mean, Really?

Yes, the experience of any particular group is unique. But there have been all SORTS of groups in history who have suffered horrible things.

For instance: Are you prepared to say that the experience of Blacks in the United States during any particular time frame was worse than that of the Jews in Europe during the 1930s and the first half of the 1940s? Do you think what Black slaves experienced, on average, was worse than the Concentration Camp experience?

Yes, it was a relatively short time frame. But it was also very intense. If you were a Jew in a Concentration Camp at that time it would have been no comfort to you to have someone say that "Chattle Slavery" lasted for a lot longer than the Holocaust did.

This stuff of Blacks acting like their ancestors had it worse than ANYBODY ever had it and that's an explanation for ANY problem they have is absolute nonsense. It really is.
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Where the hell did this thread get off track?

Heck yes I want Asian Privilege, boom boom long time!

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D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
How old are you? It wasn't okay to just hang a black man when I was born. Did you vote for FDR?
They were murdering black men and getting away with it in the 60's.
10,000 black men murdered each year by other black men who get away with it. TODAY.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
They were murdering black men and getting away with it in the 60's.
10,000 black men murdered each year by other black men who get away with it. TODAY.
So true.

"Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is getting main stream press right now, but the people, including Brown's family, who live by the theme, "Snitches Get Stitches" are having a deep laugh because they keep on keeping on in that community.
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D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
There are murders in America today where people get away with it, doesn't mean that it's considered "ok". By the '60's at least it was pretty much established that lynching was not "okay". So for many of us, it wasn't during our lifetime.

Senate Apologizes for Not Passing Anti-Lynching Laws
Published June 13, 2005
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The Senate on Monday acknowledged its own failure to stand against the lynching of thousands of black people, a practice that continued well into the 20th century.

"It's important that we are honest with ourselves and that we tell the truth about what happened," Sen. Mary Landrieu (search), D-La., said before the Senate by voice vote approved an apology for blocking anti-lynching legislation at a time when mob violence against blacks was commonplace. At least 80 senators signed on as co-sponsors.

Nearly 200 descendants of lynching victims, and a 91-year-old man thought to be the only living survivor of a lynching attempt, listened from the visitors' gallery to speeches about what Sen. George Allen (search), R-Va., described as "the failure of the Senate to take action when action was most needed."

"I came here to bear witness on behalf of my cousin Jimmy," said Janet Langhart Cohen, wife of former Defense Secretary William Cohen (search) and a member of the group that has pushed for the apology.

Her third cousin, 17-year-old Jimmy Gillenwaters, was killed by a lynch mob near Bowling Green, Ky., in 1912.

He was one of 4,743 people killed by mob violence between 1882 and 1968, according to Tuskegee University records. Of those, nearly three-fourths, 3,446, were blacks. Lynchings reached a peak of 230 in 1892, but they were prevalent well into the 1930s. Twenty lynchings were reported in 1935.

During that time, nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and 1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law.

But the Senate, with Southern conservatives wielding their filibuster powers, refused to act. With the enactment of civil rights laws in the 1960s and changes in national attitudes, the issue faded away.

Lynching is variously defined as a violent act, usually racial in nature, that denies a person due process of law and is carried out with the complicity of the local society.

The sponsors of the resolution, Landrieu and Allen, said they were motivated in part by a recent book, "Without Sanctuary, Lynching Photography in America," in which author James Allen collected lynch pictures, mostly taken by those participating in the killings.

"More than a half-century ago, mere feet from where we sit ... the Senate failed you and your ancestors and our nation," Landrieu told descendants at a lunch in the Capitol.

Among those present was James Cameron, who as a shoeshine boy in Marion, Ind., in 1930 was dragged from a cell and had a rope placed around his neck. Two of his friends, also accused of the murder of a white man and the rape of a white woman, were hanged. Cameron, then 16, was spared when a man in the crowd proclaimed his innocence.

"I was saved by a miracle," said Cameron, who went on to found America's Black Holocaust Museum in Milwaukee. "They were going to lynch me between my two buddies," he said, with thousands of people "hollering for my blood when a voice said, 'Take this boy back."'

The nonbinding resolution apologizes to the victims for the Senate's failure to act and "expresses the deepest sympathies and most solemn regrets of the Senate to the descendants of victims of lynching, the ancestors of whom were deprived of life, human dignity and the constitutional protections accorded all citizens of the United States."

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said President Bush talked about slavery and the travails of American democracy in a meeting Monday with five African leaders. The Senate, McClellan said, "has taken a step that they feel they need to take, given their own past inaction on what were great injustices."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who witnessed racial tensions as a child in Alabama, called the apology "a remarkable and wonderful thing" during an interview with MSNBC's "Hardball."

Acknowledging the mistakes of the past "is an immensely important first step," said Emma Coleman Jordan, professor at the Georgetown Law Center and an expert on the subject. Other steps, she said, could include establishing a national research center and showing atonement by setting up trust funds for the descendants of victims.

Congress in the past has apologized to Japanese-Americans and other persecuted groups, but the issue of reparations has complicated efforts to apologize to blacks for slavery. Jordan said a trust fund for lynching victims descendants would target a far smaller group.
Great post. Where does it say that is was alright (aka "okay") to lynch Black people in the 60's and 70's and onward as you said? I don't disagree that lynching was actually okay by many in the first half of the 20th century, but that covers 1900 to 1950. By the time we were alive (again, the '60's and '70's for many of us), so in our lifetime, it wasn't.
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GannonFan wrote:
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Great post. Where does it say that is was alright (aka "okay") to lynch Black people in the 60's and 70's and onward as you said? I don't disagree that lynching was actually okay by many in the first half of the 20th century, but that covers 1900 to 1950. By the time we were alive (again, the '60's and '70's for many of us), so in our lifetime, it wasn't.
The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites being lynched between 1882 and 1968.

Try reading a history book Gonadfan.
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D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Great post. Where does it say that is was alright (aka "okay") to lynch Black people in the 60's and 70's and onward as you said? I don't disagree that lynching was actually okay by many in the first half of the 20th century, but that covers 1900 to 1950. By the time we were alive (again, the '60's and '70's for many of us), so in our lifetime, it wasn't.
The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites being lynched between 1882 and 1968.

Try reading a history book Gonadfan.
Have you looked at the Tuskegee records? Tell me how many have happened post 1959? Also, the Tuskegee records stipulate that one of the criteria for a lynching is that it is illegal (they have three requirements that stipulate what a lynching is). So tell me, if a lynching is illegal, how is it "okay" as you alluded to earlier?

Stop hurting my head with your clumsy attempt to bastardize the history you supposedly learned in school. I shudder to think what passes for learning of history these days. :ohno:
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D1B wrote:
The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites being lynched between 1882 and 1968.

Try reading a history book Gonadfan.
Have you looked at the Tuskegee records? Tell me how many have happened post 1959? Also, the Tuskegee records stipulate that one of the criteria for a lynching is that it is illegal (they have three requirements that stipulate what a lynching is). So tell me, if a lynching is illegal, how is it "okay" as you alluded to earlier?

Stop hurting my head with your clumsy attempt to bastardize the history you supposedly learned in school. I shudder to think what passes for learning of history these days. :ohno:

Nice backpedal.

Lynching into the 60's. Fact.

There are dudes on this website who are fine with lynching.

Read a history book, Ed Gibbum.
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D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Have you looked at the Tuskegee records? Tell me how many have happened post 1959? Also, the Tuskegee records stipulate that one of the criteria for a lynching is that it is illegal (they have three requirements that stipulate what a lynching is). So tell me, if a lynching is illegal, how is it "okay" as you alluded to earlier?

Stop hurting my head with your clumsy attempt to bastardize the history you supposedly learned in school. I shudder to think what passes for learning of history these days. :ohno:

Nice backpedal.

Lynching into the 60's. Fact.

There are dudes on this website who are fine with lynching.

Read a history book, Ed Gibbum.
Backpedal? You said this:
but we're not far removed from a time when it was OK to hang a black man. Happened in our lifetime.
. Did you not? Heck, you even capitalized "OK". You didn't say anything about "dudes on this website" being fine with lynching. You said it was "OK" to lynch people. Show me where there was a legal lynching or a lynching that was considered "OK" by the general public and allowed since the 1960's.

And who's Ed Gibbum? Did you mean Ed Gibbon, the writer of the Roman Empire volumes?
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