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89Hen wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Hell if I know. But a good foundation would be truth and transparency.
:suspicious: That's not a platform issue.
Fix the clock in soccer. That alone will provide landslide victories. :coffee:
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BlueHen86 wrote:You seem to be arguing that a third party vote (when the third party has no chance at winning) is a wasted vote, I disagree.
Then you read correctly. You may as well not vote for that particular seat IMO.

BTW, I do abstain from voting for any seats where I haven't done my homework (school board, etc...). The only exception to that this year was I voted for all three R's running for county council. This is the current council:

Roger Berliner - D
Craig Rice - D
Phil Andrews - D
Nancy Navarro - D
Cherri Branson - D
Nancy Floreen - D
Marc Elrich - D
George Leventhal - D
Hans Riemer - D

:suspicious: Guess I should heed my own advice and not waste my vote on people that have no chance of winning. ;)
Candidates don't just want to win, they want to win by the largest margin possible. They want to have a mandate. If the vote ends up 49% - 48% - 3%, the winner doesn't even have a majority; that can equate to political capital.
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CAA Flagship wrote:
89Hen wrote: :suspicious: That's not a platform issue.
Fix the clock in soccer. That alone will provide landslide victories. :coffee:
No, there will still be a lot of 1-0 finishes.
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BlueHen86 wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Fix the clock in soccer. That alone will provide landslide victories. :coffee:
No, there will still be a lot of 1-0 finishes.
True.
Step 2: Abolish/Modify the offsides rule.
Step 3: Allow free substitution.
Step 4: Make the goal bigger. (6 feet wider and 3 feet taller)
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BlueHen86 wrote:Candidates don't just want to win, they want to win by the largest margin possible. They want to have a mandate. If the vote ends up 49% - 48% - 3%, the winner doesn't even have a majority; that can equate to political capital.
Spare me. :roll:
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CAA Flagship wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
No, there will still be a lot of 1-0 finishes.
True.
Step 2: Abolish/Modify the offsides rule.
Step 3: Allow free substitution.
Step 4: Make the goal bigger. (6 feet wider and 3 feet taller)
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89Hen wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:Candidates don't just want to win, they want to win by the largest margin possible. They want to have a mandate. If the vote ends up 49% - 48% - 3%, the winner doesn't even have a majority; that can equate to political capital.
Spare me. :roll:
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CAA Flagship wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
No, there will still be a lot of 1-0 finishes.
True.
Step 2: Abolish/Modify the offsides rule.
Step 3: Allow free substitution.
Step 4: Make the goal bigger. (6 feet wider and 3 feet taller)
I like the bigger goal idea. :nod:
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BlueHen86 wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: True.
Step 2: Abolish/Modify the offsides rule.
Step 3: Allow free substitution.
Step 4: Make the goal bigger. (6 feet wider and 3 feet taller)
I like the bigger goal idea. :nod:
I really don't have the ideal answer for the offsides rule. But any change would be an improvement over the difficulty of making a correct call by the referee.
Free substitution could help scoring as well. Fresh legs can have a big impact. Some players run 6-7 miles or more in a game. http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-so ... les-2014-6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As a spectator, fatigue is not exciting to watch in a team sport.
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BlueHen86 wrote:
89Hen wrote: Spare me. :roll:
Tell me how I am wrong.
What political capital do they earn?? Not a damn thing. After the election nobody remembers the third candidate party, or even what party had a third candidate running. How many people outside of Hens fans know that it was Northeastern that spoiled an undefeated season in 2003? None, because it doesn't matter, the Hens still won the NC. :tothehand:
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CAA Flagship wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
I like the bigger goal idea. :nod:
I really don't have the ideal answer for the offsides rule. But any change would be an improvement over the difficulty of making a correct call by the referee.
Free substitution could help scoring as well. Fresh legs can have a big impact. Some players run 6-7 miles or more in a game. http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-so ... les-2014-6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As a spectator, fatigue is not exciting to watch in a team sport.
I believe you were told to let it go. :coffee:
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89Hen wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
Tell me how I am wrong.
What political capital do they earn?? Not a damn thing. After the election nobody remembers the third candidate party, or even what party had a third candidate running. How many people outside of Hens fans know that it was Northeastern that spoiled an undefeated season in 2003? None, because it doesn't matter, the Hens still won the NC. :tothehand:
Wow, you're all over the place.

Still not sure how your vote counts more than any other if you vote for a guy that wins by more than one vote. All votes count the same, not just those that went to the winner.
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houndawg wrote:Hold elections on Veterans Day. Everybody is off work, its within a week of when we vote now, and even a halfwit like Baldy would get the connection between veterans and voting.
Wow, a decent idea out of densedawg. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then. And while we're at it, have taxes due the day before.
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You seriously think the average Republican understands how our system is supposed to work.
I don't know. But I'm pretty confident that a higher percentage of voters who vote Republican have at least some rudimentary understanding of that than the percentage of voters who vote Democrat do.

I frankly think that if all you did was say that in order to vote you had to name the three branches of government the Democratic Party would be devastated. I do indeed believe that it is the Party that benefits the most from voting by people who have absolutely NO clue. And I think it benefits "the most" by a lot.
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CAA Flagship wrote:We need a third party, but it has to rise up from the bottom. Dickheads like Perot do nothing but steal votes from a guy that they would vote for if they weren't running themselves. And it often means that they guy they hate the most wins because of it.

The third party needs to build at the State Senate level and grow from there. Then Governor level and US Congressional level. And it is important that committee assignments include spots for the third party within Congress. Then, and only then, does a third party have a shot at winning a White House race, rather than affecting it.
W have a third party, the Libertarians. Give them a chance. The assess and pachyderms have had their chance. They failed.
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BlueHen86 wrote:
89Hen wrote: What political capital do they earn?? Not a damn thing. After the election nobody remembers the third candidate party, or even what party had a third candidate running. How many people outside of Hens fans know that it was Northeastern that spoiled an undefeated season in 2003? None, because it doesn't matter, the Hens still won the NC. :tothehand:
Wow, you're all over the place.

Still not sure how your vote counts more than any other if you vote for a guy that wins by more than one vote. All votes count the same, not just those that went to the winner.
Maybe you're just dense. A vote for a candidate you know is going to garner 3% and will NEVER be remembered, is a wasted vote IMO. It sends NO message. It has NO staying power. It earns NO political capital (I'd still like to hear what kind of political capital you think they earn).
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Ibanez wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:We need a third party, but it has to rise up from the bottom. Dickheads like Perot do nothing but steal votes from a guy that they would vote for if they weren't running themselves. And it often means that they guy they hate the most wins because of it.

The third party needs to build at the State Senate level and grow from there. Then Governor level and US Congressional level. And it is important that committee assignments include spots for the third party within Congress. Then, and only then, does a third party have a shot at winning a White House race, rather than affecting it.
W have a third party, the Libertarians. Give them a chance. The assess and pachyderms have had their chance. They failed.
libertarians are fine. Libertarians are idiots.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: I really don't have the ideal answer for the offsides rule. But any change would be an improvement over the difficulty of making a correct call by the referee.
Free substitution could help scoring as well. Fresh legs can have a big impact. Some players run 6-7 miles or more in a game. http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-so ... les-2014-6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As a spectator, fatigue is not exciting to watch in a team sport.
I believe you were told to let it go. :coffee:
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JohnStOnge wrote:
You seriously think the average Republican understands how our system is supposed to work.
I don't know. But I'm pretty confident that a higher percentage of voters who vote Republican have at least some rudimentary understanding of that than the percentage of voters who vote Democrat do.

I frankly think that if all you did was say that in order to vote you had to name the three branches of government the Democratic Party would be devastated. I do indeed believe that it is the Party that benefits the most from voting by people who have absolutely NO clue. And I think it benefits "the most" by a lot.
Pew Research has some data showing republican voters are more informed than donk voters. Haven't been able to find anything direct from pew, but there are some other right-leaning sites reporting it.
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89Hen wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
W have a third party, the Libertarians. Give them a chance. The assess and pachyderms have had their chance. They failed.
libertarians are fine. Libertarians are idiots.
Unfortunately this is correct.

And the correct solution to the soccer question is to ban the game from the United States. :nod:
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Ibanez wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:We need a third party, but it has to rise up from the bottom. Dickheads like Perot do nothing but steal votes from a guy that they would vote for if they weren't running themselves. And it often means that they guy they hate the most wins because of it.

The third party needs to build at the State Senate level and grow from there. Then Governor level and US Congressional level. And it is important that committee assignments include spots for the third party within Congress. Then, and only then, does a third party have a shot at winning a White House race, rather than affecting it.
W have a third party, the Libertarians. Give them a chance. The assess and pachyderms have had their chance. They failed.
This is the Age of the Internet. Libertarians dominate and control the Internet. Ergo, they should have kicked ass this year. But they didn't. Why? I'll tell you why. They all look like this: :ugeek: :geek: :silly:
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Ivytalk wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
W have a third party, the Libertarians. Give them a chance. The assess and pachyderms have had their chance. They failed.
This is the Age of the Internet. Libertarians dominate and control the Internet. Ergo, they should have kicked ass this year. But they didn't. Why? I'll tell you why. They all look like this: :ugeek: :geek: :silly:

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Ivytalk wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
W have a third party, the Libertarians. Give them a chance. The assess and pachyderms have had their chance. They failed.
This is the Age of the Internet. Libertarians dominate and control the Internet. Ergo, they should have kicked ass this year. But they didn't. Why? I'll tell you why. They all look like this: :ugeek: :geek: :silly:
If you want a third party, support one. But don't sit around wishing one would step up when has and is trying to break the cycle. Maybe we could get more independents in govt.
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Ibanez wrote:Maybe we could get more independents in govt.
:rofl: There hasn't been one yet.
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