Kalm's Election Re-Cap

[houndawg]

5) Red states Alaska, Arkansas, South Dakota, and Nebraska all voted minimum wage increases. I'm neutral on the minimum wage and it affects my business a ton. Just pointing this out that while voting for the center right and further right parties because they have no other choices, Americans continue to be progressive on the issues.

That does concern me because the minimum wage is really a stupid idea. People voting the way they did on that issue when given the opportunity does show that the entitlement mentality...which is at the root of the chronic fiscal problems of this country and is also contrary to what this country was supposed to be about...is thriving.

Looks like nobody agrees with you, not even the good folk in Arkansas....

[Rob Iola]

kalm getting his daily dose from Kos and the Donk Underground.

Since Nunn, Grimes and almost all the other losing Donk candidates ran as Clintonites, lets take a deeper look at the Hildabeast.

Radical Feminist
Hillarycare
Cap & Trade
Open borders
Kyoto Protocol
Anti-ANWR exploration
"The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation," - The Hildabeast
Pro-"living wage"
Amnesty
Gun Control
Abolish the Electoral College
Abortion on Demand
Social Justice
Anti School Choice
Saul Alinsky acolyte

just to name a few...

You're right, kalm.
She sounds just like a typical center-right Conk.

Bill Ayers!
Gloria Steinem!
Alan Watts!
George Soros!
George Clooney!
Agenda 21!
Mao Zedong!

And to think that in '16 her running mate will probably be Elizabeth Warren.

Not sure who'll be at the top of that ticket though...

[houndawg]

Obama is more conservative than Eisenhower.

Obama…center right corporatist.

Harry Reid…center right corporatist

Hilary Clinton…center right corporatist.

Grimes and Nunn both ran center right campaigns.

BDK has his head too far up his vaginer to understand.

I don't think many people realize the kind of backhand that Democrats were given by the center/left voters in the party. I think there was a clear message to them that if they want to talk like Republicans a whole bunch of people aren't interested. Golden opportunity here for the Greens.

[Baldy]

kalm getting his daily dose from Kos and the Donk Underground.

Since Nunn, Grimes and almost all the other losing Donk candidates ran as Clintonites, lets take a deeper look at the Hildabeast.

Radical Feminist
Hillarycare
Cap & Trade
Open borders
Kyoto Protocol
Anti-ANWR exploration
"The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation," - The Hildabeast
Pro-"living wage"
Amnesty
Gun Control
Abolish the Electoral College
Abortion on Demand
Social Justice
Anti School Choice
Saul Alinsky acolyte

just to name a few...

You're right, kalm.
She sounds just like a typical center-right Conk.

Bill Ayers!
Gloria Steinem!
Alan Watts!
George Soros!
George Clooney!
Agenda 21!
Mao Zedong!

All center-right Conks in your world as well, I'm sure.

[Gil Dobie]

2) Attack ads are way more meaningful than policy discussions. Not that anyone really believes or cares in what's promised anyway.

Didn't see one attack ad this year, Thank you DVR.

[travelinman67]

Bill Ayers!
Gloria Steinem!
Alan Watts!
George Soros!
George Clooney!
Agenda 21!
Mao Zedong!

Ariana Grande

[Ibanez]

I was making a joke, but it's close to the truth.

Wrong. Quinnipiac poll. Was discussed in a thread entitled "Obama worst President since WWII"...

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-even ... aseID=2056

Obama = Worst

Reagan = Best




Suck it, Homo.

Seriously? Someone has a difference of opinion and you call them names? What are you? 12 yrs old? Grow up, Peter Pan. Obama and Bush are, by far, tied with several others as being the worst president.

Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, 39 percent of voters say, while 40 percent say he is worse.

He's 1% better than a steaming pile of shit!

[GannonFan]

Wrong. Quinnipiac poll. Was discussed in a thread entitled "Obama worst President since WWII"...

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-even ... aseID=2056

Obama = Worst

Reagan = Best




Suck it, Homo.

Seriously? Someone has a difference of opinion and you call them names? What are you? 12 yrs old? Grow up, Peter Pan. Obama and Bush are, by far, tied with several others as being the worst president.

Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, 39 percent of voters say, while 40 percent say he is worse.

He's 1% better than a steaming pile of ****!

Obama and Bush are right there with Carter, Ford, and Nixon in terms of how people felt about them during their Presidency's. There is some solace, though. Even Truman had super low ratings at the height of the Korean War (and likely after dumping MacArthur). Although I rate Truman a far better President than any of those 5.

[Ibanez]

Seriously? Someone has a difference of opinion and you call them names? What are you? 12 yrs old? Grow up, Peter Pan. Obama and Bush are, by far, tied with several others as being the worst president.

He's 1% better than a steaming pile of ****!

Obama and Bush are right there with Carter, Ford, and Nixon in terms of how people felt about them during their Presidency's. There is some solace, though. Even Truman had super low ratings at the height of the Korean War (and likely after dumping MacArthur). Although I rate Truman a far better President than any of those 5.

I never trust the polls during and immediately after the administration. It's a bad gauge. Look at the difference in the numbers in 2009 and now concerning Dubya. I didn't care for his foreign policy, but Bush wasn't all bad. And we'll see that Obama hasn't been all bad (maybe. )

[UNI88]

Calling the donk party center right is only something a left wing liberal would do..

Obama is more of a neo-conservative than Eisenhower.

FIFY

[houndawg]

Seriously? Someone has a difference of opinion and you call them names? What are you? 12 yrs old? Grow up, Peter Pan. Obama and Bush are, by far, tied with several others as being the worst president.

He's 1% better than a steaming pile of ****!

Obama and Bush are right there with Carter, Ford, and Nixon in terms of how people felt about them during their Presidency's. There is some solace, though. Even Truman had super low ratings at the height of the Korean War (and likely after dumping MacArthur). Although I rate Truman a far better President than any of those 5.

A neighbor of mine was Truman's personal photographer while he was prez

[Ibanez]

Obama and Bush are right there with Carter, Ford, and Nixon in terms of how people felt about them during their Presidency's. There is some solace, though. Even Truman had super low ratings at the height of the Korean War (and likely after dumping MacArthur). Although I rate Truman a far better President than any of those 5.

A neighbor of mine was Truman's personal photographer while he was prez

No kidding? My grandmother saw FDR in the 1930s.

[kalm]

Op-ed piece from Bill De-Blasio echoing the sentiment that Democrats lacked spine and lost for running as Republican lite. Couldn't agree more. Americans are progressive on the issues and love THEIR big government. Just ask Republican governors who ran in favor of minimum wage increases.

Bold, progressive ideas win elections.

Just ask Senator Al Franken, who has fought fearlessly to rein in Wall Street, and won by a larger margin on Tuesday than President Obama did in Minnesota in 2012.

Or Senator Jeff Merkley, who never backed away from his support for Obamacare -- a federal program that is already working to reduce income inequality, and promises to do more to address the inequality crisis than anything out of Washington in generations. Merkley won re-election in Oregon by six points more than Obama won that state in 2012.

Then there's Governor Jerry Brown, who cruised to re-election after championing -- and winning -- a millionaire's tax that dedicated funding to California's public schools.

And don't forget Governor Dan Malloy -- who was written off by so many in his re-election bid in Connecticut. Malloy raised taxes so he could invest more in education each year (at a time when other Governors were slashing education to close yawning budget gaps). Malloy passed earned sick time and a minimum wage hike. And in his re-election bid, he proudly stood alongside President Obama.

Malloy not only lived to tell about it on Tuesday, he increased his margin of victory in a rematch with his 2010 Republican opponent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-de-b ... 41732.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[AZGrizFan]

Op-ed piece from Bill De-Blasio echoing the sentiment that Democrats lacked spine and lost for running as Republican lite. Couldn't agree more. Americans are progressive on the issues and love THEIR big government. Just ask Republican governors who ran in favor of minimum wage increases.

Bold, progressive ideas win elections.

Just ask Senator Al Franken, who has fought fearlessly to rein in Wall Street, and won by a larger margin on Tuesday than President Obama did in Minnesota in 2012.

Or Senator Jeff Merkley, who never backed away from his support for Obamacare -- a federal program that is already working to reduce income inequality, and promises to do more to address the inequality crisis than anything out of Washington in generations. Merkley won re-election in Oregon by six points more than Obama won that state in 2012.

Then there's Governor Jerry Brown, who cruised to re-election after championing -- and winning -- a millionaire's tax that dedicated funding to California's public schools.

And don't forget Governor Dan Malloy -- who was written off by so many in his re-election bid in Connecticut. Malloy raised taxes so he could invest more in education each year (at a time when other Governors were slashing education to close yawning budget gaps). Malloy passed earned sick time and a minimum wage hike. And in his re-election bid, he proudly stood alongside President Obama.

Malloy not only lived to tell about it on Tuesday, he increased his margin of victory in a rematch with his 2010 Republican opponent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-de-b ... 41732.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bragging about a liberal winning handily in the states Oregon, Minnesota or Connecticut is comical.

[GannonFan]

Op-ed piece from Bill De-Blasio echoing the sentiment that Democrats lacked spine and lost for running as Republican lite. Couldn't agree more. Americans are progressive on the issues and love THEIR big government. Just ask Republican governors who ran in favor of minimum wage increases.

Bold, progressive ideas win elections.

Just ask Senator Al Franken, who has fought fearlessly to rein in Wall Street, and won by a larger margin on Tuesday than President Obama did in Minnesota in 2012.

Or Senator Jeff Merkley, who never backed away from his support for Obamacare -- a federal program that is already working to reduce income inequality, and promises to do more to address the inequality crisis than anything out of Washington in generations. Merkley won re-election in Oregon by six points more than Obama won that state in 2012.

Then there's Governor Jerry Brown, who cruised to re-election after championing -- and winning -- a millionaire's tax that dedicated funding to California's public schools.

And don't forget Governor Dan Malloy -- who was written off by so many in his re-election bid in Connecticut. Malloy raised taxes so he could invest more in education each year (at a time when other Governors were slashing education to close yawning budget gaps). Malloy passed earned sick time and a minimum wage hike. And in his re-election bid, he proudly stood alongside President Obama.

Malloy not only lived to tell about it on Tuesday, he increased his margin of victory in a rematch with his 2010 Republican opponent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-de-b ... 41732.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What makes you think voters were so happy with the incumbents in office? Obama's approval rating is pretty low (isn't it in the low 40%?) and of course voters disapproval of Congress is even vastly lower. What you're saying makes no sense - you're saying that people want "progressive ideas" (probably need a definition for that) and they want big government, but because the Democrats weren't really pushing that as much as the voters wanted, the voters decided to chastise the Democrats by instead picking a slew of Republicans who couldn't be any more opposite of the progressive ideas and big government that the voters were supposedly supposed to want. So they basically voted in people they didn't agree with?

This op-ed just misses the point. People didn't think Washington was working, and they voted out the part of it that they could vote out (in this case the Senate - it's just too hard to flip the House these days). Anti-incumbency is just that, anti-incumbency. People looking for hidden signals that aren't there, like in this op-ed, are just trying to make themselves feel better in a case like this where the electorate doesn't seem to share their same viewpoint.

[kalm]

Op-ed piece from Bill De-Blasio echoing the sentiment that Democrats lacked spine and lost for running as Republican lite. Couldn't agree more. Americans are progressive on the issues and love THEIR big government. Just ask Republican governors who ran in favor of minimum wage increases.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-de-b ... 41732.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What makes you think voters were so happy with the incumbents in office? Obama's approval rating is pretty low (isn't it in the low 40%?) and of course voters disapproval of Congress is even vastly lower. What you're saying makes no sense - you're saying that people want "progressive ideas" (probably need a definition for that) and they want big government, but because the Democrats weren't really pushing that as much as the voters wanted, the voters decided to chastise the Democrats by instead picking a slew of Republicans who couldn't be any more opposite of the progressive ideas and big government that the voters were supposedly supposed to want. So they basically voted in people they didn't agree with?

This op-ed just misses the point. People didn't think Washington was working, and they voted out the part of it that they could vote out (in this case the Senate - it's just too hard to flip the House these days). Anti-incumbency is just that, anti-incumbency. People looking for hidden signals that aren't there, like in this op-ed, are just trying to make themselves feel better in a case like this where the electorate doesn't seem to share their same viewpoint.

They were faced with only two choices. Republican and Republican lite. Nuance does not sell in elections. Conviction and leadership do. Not to mention, speaking from a position of strength tends to stir up the base more.

Their are tons of examples and polling where the electorate has and will support progressive ideals, for right or for wrong. What about the Republican message do you think turned voters in their favor?

[Baldy]

Op-ed piece from Bill De-Blasio echoing the sentiment that Democrats lacked spine and lost for running as Republican lite. Couldn't agree more. Americans are progressive on the issues and love THEIR big government. Just ask Republican governors who ran in favor of minimum wage increases.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-de-b ... 41732.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bragging about a liberal winning handily in the states Oregon, Minnesota or Connecticut is comical.

Exactly.

"Bold" 'progressive' ideas win elections only in the various People's Republics...

[CID1990]

This thread should be titled Klam's sweet yet salty tears

[Ivytalk]

This thread should be titled Klam's sweet yet salty tears

Maybe the Bearded Klam's hero Liz Warren will pick DeBlabbio for her running mate.

[kalm]

This thread should be titled Klam's sweet yet salty tears

This made me laugh.

[kalm]

Bragging about a liberal winning handily in the states Oregon, Minnesota or Connecticut is comical.

Exactly.

"Bold" 'progressive' ideas win elections only in the various People's Republics...

That's not quite the insult you think it is considering how much Jerry Brown has turned around California's economy plus the overall higher standard of living in places like Oregon.

Then there's those pesky outcomes like minimum wage increases in 4 red states and the wild success of Obamacare in Kentucky.

Besides, the examples DeBlasio gives aren't just based on winning, but the margin of victory being greater than previous elections or greater than Obama in those districts in 2012.

DeBlasio himself, a proud progressive occupies the seat held by Rudy Giuliani not all that long ago. Then there's CID's boy, Bernie Sanders who wins precincts in the red northern part of Vermont that were carried by GWB.

[kalm]

This thread should be titled Klam's sweet yet salty tears

Maybe the Bearded Klam's hero Liz Warren will pick DeBlabbio for her running mate.

Nah…she'd need to balance the ticket with a corporatist.

[Ivytalk]

Maybe the Bearded Klam's hero Liz Warren will pick DeBlabbio for her running mate.

Nah…she'd need to balance the ticket with a corporatist.

Caught another one! Ten-inch rainbow this time!

[kalm]

Nah…she'd need to balance the ticket with a corporatist.

Caught another one! Ten-inch rainbow this time!

Bitch please, I grabbed you're offering, made a quick run, and snapped you off.

[Ivytalk]

Caught another one! Ten-inch rainbow this time!

Bitch please, I grabbed you're offering, made a quick run, and snapped you off.

No, you just snapped yourself off....