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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Chizzang wrote:When 85% of eligible voters actually vote (which will be never) this might become an issue... (not)
and who cares if a state makes you show ID its the states right to manage that process
and who cares if you mail in your ballot (big deal)

An estimated 57.5 % of eligible voters voted in 2012 - Yipee


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In Philadelphia Polling locations where the GOP monitors were illegally kicked out...

...90% voter turnout with 99.5% voting for Obama!!!

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/frau ... e.html?m=1

:rofl: :rofl:

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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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travelinman67 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:When 85% of eligible voters actually vote (which will be never) this might become an issue... (not)
and who cares if a state makes you show ID its the states right to manage that process
and who cares if you mail in your ballot (big deal)

An estimated 57.5 % of eligible voters voted in 2012 - Yipee


:coffee: Again: Where's my Teapot
In Philadelphia Polling locations where the GOP monitors were illegally kicked out...

...90% voter turnout with 99.5% voting for Obama!!!

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/frau ... e.html?m=1

:rofl: :rofl:

Want me to keep going, Officer Barbrady?
So you're suggesting that Philly was going to go Romney otherwise..?
That the district was toppled from Romney to Obama due to voter fraud..?

:coffee:

And I thought I was on your side on this one... requiring ID for voting is fine by me -
Each state should decide that issue
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Obama Lost 2012 Election In Every State That Had Voter I.D.

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Obama would have LOST if voter I.D. had been Federal law...

http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8416

Again...Dems win elections using Voter Fraud!
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travelinman67 wrote:Obama would have LOST if voter I.D. had been Federal law...

http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8416

Again...Dems win elections using Voter Fraud!

Meh...
I don't exactly buy that Obama looses the National Election - but whatever - if that makes you feel better
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Chizzang wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
In Philadelphia Polling locations where the GOP monitors were illegally kicked out...

...90% voter turnout with 99.5% voting for Obama!!!

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/frau ... e.html?m=1

:rofl: :rofl:

Want me to keep going, Officer Barbrady?
So you're suggesting that Philly was going to go Romney otherwise..?
That the district was toppled from Romney to Obama due to voter fraud..?

:coffee:

And I thought I was on your side on this one... requiring ID for voting is fine by me -
Each state should decide that issue
So basically you justify this with a variation of "the end justifies the means"...How Alinsky of you...
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Col Hogan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
So you're suggesting that Philly was going to go Romney otherwise..?
That the district was toppled from Romney to Obama due to voter fraud..?

:coffee:

And I thought I was on your side on this one... requiring ID for voting is fine by me -
Each state should decide that issue
So basically you justify this with a variation of "the end justifies the means"...How Alinsky of you...
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Col Hogan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
So you're suggesting that Philly was going to go Romney otherwise..?
That the district was toppled from Romney to Obama due to voter fraud..?

:coffee:

And I thought I was on your side on this one... requiring ID for voting is fine by me -
Each state should decide that issue
So basically you justify this with a variation of "the end justifies the means"...How Alinsky of you...

If by Alinsky you mean I don't care and I think each state should decide on ID's - and I'm fine with that
Then sure Call me Alinsky or a Nazi or whatever you mouth foaming guys tihnk is the right name for it


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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Chizzang wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
In Philadelphia Polling locations where the GOP monitors were illegally kicked out...

...90% voter turnout with 99.5% voting for Obama!!!

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/frau ... e.html?m=1

:rofl: :rofl:

Want me to keep going, Officer Barbrady?
So you're suggesting that Philly was going to go Romney otherwise..?
That the district was toppled from Romney to Obama due to voter fraud..?


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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Chizzang wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
So basically you justify this with a variation of "the end justifies the means"...How Alinsky of you...

If by Alinsky you mean I don't care and I think each state should decide on ID's - and I'm fine with that
Then sure Call me Alinsky or a Nazi or whatever you mouth foaming guys tihnk is the right name for it


:coffee:
I think it was Ghandi who said "first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then the call you Alinsky, and then you've won."
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

If by Alinsky you mean I don't care and I think each state should decide on ID's - and I'm fine with that
Then sure Call me Alinsky or a Nazi or whatever you mouth foaming guys tihnk is the right name for it


:coffee:
I think it was Ghandi who said "first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then the call you Alinsky, and then you've won."
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

If by Alinsky you mean I don't care and I think each state should decide on ID's - and I'm fine with that
Then sure Call me Alinsky or a Nazi or whatever you mouth foaming guys tihnk is the right name for it


:coffee:
I think it was Ghandi who said "first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then the call you Alinsky, and then you've won."
No, not Ghandi. That was from this scene:

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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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CAA Flagship wrote:
kalm wrote:
I think it was Ghandi who said "first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then the call you Alinsky, and then you've won."
No, not Ghandi. That was from this scene:

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BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
So you're suggesting that Philly was going to go Romney otherwise..?
That the district was toppled from Romney to Obama due to voter fraud..?


:coffee:
The POTUS election is statewide vote totals :dunce:
True, but I doubt that these incidents in Philly were enough to change the outcome statewide. Also, linking to an article on the internet doesn't make it true. Way to easy for anyone to write an article and post it on the web.
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travelinman67 wrote:Jellydonut, Klam, Densedawg, NYT, WAPO, Salon...

...voter fraud cover up.

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Are they credible or not? Make up your mind. :lol:
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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BlueHen86 wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:Jellydonut, Klam, Densedawg, NYT, WAPO, Salon...

...voter fraud cover up.

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NYT? Aren't they your main source on the WMD's in Iraq thread? :suspicious:

Are they credible or not? Make up your mind. :lol:
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Bottom line is that there's no legitimate reason to be against Voter ID requirements in principle. Any concerns about people having difficulty getting IDs can be addressed.
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Chizzang wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
In Philadelphia Polling locations where the GOP monitors were illegally kicked out...

...90% voter turnout with 99.5% voting for Obama!!!

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/frau ... e.html?m=1

:rofl: :rofl:

Want me to keep going, Officer Barbrady?
So you're suggesting that Philly was going to go Romney otherwise..?
That the district was toppled from Romney to Obama due to voter fraud..?

:coffee:

And I thought I was on your side on this one... requiring ID for voting is fine by me -
Each state should decide that issue
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Skjellyfetti wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: The thing is, it doesn't HAVE to be widespread. Just a few precision tactical strikes in states like Ohio, Florida, etc....
Start showing me examples where there were anywhere near 100k fradulent votes cast in Ohio and/or Florida and I'll hope on board y'all's crusade.

(And, Obama could have lost Ohio and Florida and won in 2008 and 2012). So... we're not talking a tactical strike in a couple of states in either of those elections. We're talking voting fraud on a MASSIVE scale involving MILLIONS of votes.

Show me something that says it's not a handful of isolated cases. :coffee:




And, yes. There has been one election in particular where a relatively small handful of cases of voter fraud could have swung the election.

But, I'm pretty sure Republicans and Conks were absolutely NOT on board with counting the votes in that election. :coffee:
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Curiously, Obama lost in every state that requires a photo ID to be produced before voting. A list of closely contested state elections with no voter ID, which narrowly went to Obama include: Minnesota (10), Iowa (6), Wisconsin (10), Nevada (6), Colorado (9), New Mexico (5) and Pennsylvania (20). This amounts to a total of 66 electoral votes. When added to Romney’s total of 205 electoral votes, that would give Romney 271 electoral votes, enough votes to win even without Ohio or Florida.
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Over and Over and Over...Democrats Arrested For Voter Fraud.

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Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Indiana
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Illinois
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Mississippi
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in New York
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Georgia
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Florida
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Ohio

http://www.virginiavotersalliance.com/d ... ter-fraud/

Dems win elections through voter fraud.
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travelinman67 wrote:Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Indiana
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Illinois
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Mississippi
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in New York
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Georgia
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Florida
Democrats arrested and charged with voter fraud in Ohio

http://www.virginiavotersalliance.com/d ... ter-fraud/

Dems win elections through voter fraud.
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Why Democrats Oppose Voter I.D. Laws

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Opinion Piece

http://www.redstate.com/diary/martin_a_ ... -voter-id/
The Left’s arguments against voter ID are fundamentally dishonest, and at their core, intensely racist. At the core of it, the risible implicit argument the NAACP and every single liberal is presenting here – and they are largely getting away with it – is that it is unreasonable to expect an African American, simply by virtue of the color of his or her skin, to be able to procure, hold and present photo ID.Essentially, according to the Left, from the Democrats to their allies in the media, Black people, as opposed to Asian Americans and Whites lack the mental capacity to take a valid photo ID to the polls. Make no mistake – this is the liberal argument at its core, and they know it, which is why they simply skip past how they came to this conclusion and simply assert that Voter ID is Jim Crow come again.Which is why I make it a point to ask any liberal squealing about Voter ID to kindly explain why they believe a Black man – like me – as opposed to a White or Asian man, is somehow intrinsically less capable of taking a valid photo ID to the polls on election day. They’ll hem and haw, try and change the subject, but none can answer.Furthermore, as everyone has pointed out, if requiring photo ID to prove your identity before being issued a ballot and directed to a voting booth is racist, then it is racist every time a bank requires a photo ID before you can cash a check, every time a store asks for ID before you can buy a six-pack of beer, every time an employer asks for ID before you can join their workforce, every time a police officer asks for your driver’s license after a stop on the road, every time you’re asked for ID before you check in to a hotel, and every time the security guards require an ID as a condition of entry into Eric Holder’s Department of Justice.This usually prompts the disingenuous counter-argument that voting is somehow “different” because it is uniquely a constitutional right.# Which, of course, doesn’t make it okay that banks, airlines, landlords, the highway patrol, liquor stores, hotels, and all manner of employers, including the Federal Government, are being racist everyday when they ask for ID. In fact, given that all of the above, banks, airlines, hotels, supermarkets, government offices, etc. can be classified as public accommodations, and given the liberal belief that part and parcel of being Black is a significantly reduced ability to possess valid photo ID, then of course, any photo ID requirement by these institutions is a violation of the Civil Rights Acts, if not the Constitution.#You need a valid photo ID to legally own a firearm – a black letter Constitutional right – a situation the Left hypocritically has absolutely no wish to see changed.The third most common argument deployed by the Left against Voter ID is that voter fraud is supposedly a non-existent crime, and as evidence, they point to the fact that very few people have been convicted of voter fraud in recent years. This, of course, is disingenuous, because it doesn’t take into account the unique nature of voter fraud, and it speaks to the stupidity of the Republican enactors of Voter ID legislation that they often let this nonsense go without tearing it apart.Voter fraud is usually an organized activity, not some spur-of-the-moment decision by its perpetrators, the overwhelming majority of whom are Democrats – as we have seen with the IRS and FEC, the spirit of Tammany Hall is still very much alive and well in the Democrat Party. It’s relatively easy to carry out, and, unless stupid or lazy, like ACORN’s activists, extremely difficult to get caught because, unlike burglary or fraud, it’s a crime where the victim doesn’t know he’s been robbed  – no one notices that his vote just got cancelled out because some other guy voted twice. Furthermore, thanks to the fact that votes are rightly anonymous, and the fact that once it gets into the ballot box, there’s no way to sort out legitimately cast votes from the fraudulent, prosecution is extremely hard.Too many people focus on ACORN’s registrations of Mickey Mouse, Daffy Duck and the entire line-up of the Yankees. First of all, ACORN was, and is, not the only Leftist “social justice” organization that goes out to register voters (both real and fraudulent) for the Democrat Party. Second, the cartoon characters and celebrities are atypical, and simply a sign of a lack of discipline and dedication, not to mention greed to maximize the number of registrations. The real scrutiny should go to the normal sounding names i.e. Richard Coleman, Daniel Smith, Rebecca Perez, etc.How it works is simple; you register fake voters with real addresses lined up against their voting precincts some months before election day. You keep a record of these fake registrations. You also cross-check the list of registered voters as against lists of people who have passed away, moved or are registered in nursing homes. Again, you keep records.As Election Day approaches and early voting starts, you print up fake utility bills and simply hand them out to volunteers – the unions are usually able to rustle a number up – or, as the article up above points out, the local Democrat Party machine hands out “walking around money” and Democrat operatives are at local homeless shelters, day-labor corners, or wino encampments, with vans to drive people from polling place to polling place, and utility bills and other paper “proof-of-address” documents to be issued as appropriate for each location. If the state allows same-day registration – all that the Democrat operatives in the vans need is to give their charges is a small piece of paper with addresses and ZIP codes matching the polling station on Election Day.So “Richard Coleman” votes, becomes “Daniel Smith” in another part of town and votes again, and so on. By the time our admirably extra-conscientious citizen has done his civic duty five to six times, he gets a pack of cigarettes or twenty dollars and he’s back to being just “Bob” at the homeless shelter. The five fraudulent votes he cast, however, are nicely mixed in with legitimate votes to be counted, now impossible to be identified and extracted.In all the rush and with all the long lines on Election Day, especially in the cities, who has time to check? The utility companies do not send reps to sit with the pollworkers to identify whether the bill being presented is real or fake and practically none would spend the resources necessary to go after people who fake their bills when it’s not hurting their bottomline.In other words, the victims don’t know they’ve been robbed, it’s close to impossible to get caught, and even if caught, the fraudulently cast votes cannot identified, which means they still get counted, and which also means there is no proof that the person caught actually cast a vote – even if he did enter the polling booth. Furthermore, since the proof of address has no picture and the details inside are false, the person can plausibly claim to not to have anything to do with the document – e.g. he saw it on the ground and just picked it up. Which makes this as close to a perfect crime as it gets.However, with a photo ID requirement, narrowed to just a finite handful of government issued cards and papers, things get much less simple, much more expensive, and much more risky.A utility bill on a piece of paper is easy and dirt cheap to produce, and distributing them to your fake voters requires no special logistical effort to match a document to an individual – you can simply share them out at random. Fake driver’s licenses and military ID cards are not so easy or cheap – and not only do you have to produce the ID, this time you have to match documents to specific individuals. Worse still, given the transient and highly mobile lifestyles of the sort of people you find at homeless shelters and day-labor corners, you may end up investing money and effort to produce an ID for “Bob” only for him to hitch a ride out of town before the main event.The added element of risk comes from the fact that with a finite, smaller number of allowed forms of identification, pollworkers and the parties’ poll watchers can be easily trained to spot fakes – which further increases the cost of producing fake IDs. Faking the holographs, watermarks and all the other anti-fraud and security measures that tend to adorn government issued IDs for the number of people required is not cheap.Even worse; once caught with fake photo ID, “Bob” can’t plausibly deny that he just picked it up, especially with his picture on the card. And considering the fact that every government in the world takes a rather dim view of people forging its documents, the probability that one would face prosecution just got much higher – “Bob” and his other fellows in the van would need a lot more than a pack of cigarettes or $20 to convince them to go into the polling station with fake IDs bearing their photographs. And they likely won’t fail to mention the van and the people carrying them around to vote.Add it all together; requiring valid government issued photo ID makes voter fraud more expensive, more logistically tasking, much more likely to be discovered, and much more likely that the perpetrators are going to jail.That, in a nutshell, is why Democrats are so upset about voter ID legislation. It isn’t because voter fraud is so rarely caught and prosecuted, it’s because they want to keep it that way.
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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What..?
Hey I'm on your side - Impeach Obama - show ID to vote - repeal the affordable care act...

I got no dog in this voter thing - I honestly do not care one way or the other
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Re: Why Democrats Oppose Voter I.D. Laws

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travelinman67 wrote:Opinion Piece

http://www.redstate.com/diary/martin_a_ ... -voter-id/
The Left’s arguments against voter ID are fundamentally dishonest, and at their core, intensely racist. At the core of it, the risible implicit argument the NAACP and every single liberal is presenting here – and they are largely getting away with it – is that it is unreasonable to expect an African American, simply by virtue of the color of his or her skin, to be able to procure, hold and present photo ID.Essentially, according to the Left, from the Democrats to their allies in the media, Black people, as opposed to Asian Americans and Whites lack the mental capacity to take a valid photo ID to the polls. Make no mistake – this is the liberal argument at its core, and they know it, which is why they simply skip past how they came to this conclusion and simply assert that Voter ID is Jim Crow come again.Which is why I make it a point to ask any liberal squealing about Voter ID to kindly explain why they believe a Black man – like me – as opposed to a White or Asian man, is somehow intrinsically less capable of taking a valid photo ID to the polls on election day. They’ll hem and haw, try and change the subject, but none can answer.Furthermore, as everyone has pointed out, if requiring photo ID to prove your identity before being issued a ballot and directed to a voting booth is racist, then it is racist every time a bank requires a photo ID before you can cash a check, every time a store asks for ID before you can buy a six-pack of beer, every time an employer asks for ID before you can join their workforce, every time a police officer asks for your driver’s license after a stop on the road, every time you’re asked for ID before you check in to a hotel, and every time the security guards require an ID as a condition of entry into Eric Holder’s Department of Justice.This usually prompts the disingenuous counter-argument that voting is somehow “different” because it is uniquely a constitutional right.# Which, of course, doesn’t make it okay that banks, airlines, landlords, the highway patrol, liquor stores, hotels, and all manner of employers, including the Federal Government, are being racist everyday when they ask for ID. In fact, given that all of the above, banks, airlines, hotels, supermarkets, government offices, etc. can be classified as public accommodations, and given the liberal belief that part and parcel of being Black is a significantly reduced ability to possess valid photo ID, then of course, any photo ID requirement by these institutions is a violation of the Civil Rights Acts, if not the Constitution.#You need a valid photo ID to legally own a firearm – a black letter Constitutional right – a situation the Left hypocritically has absolutely no wish to see changed.The third most common argument deployed by the Left against Voter ID is that voter fraud is supposedly a non-existent crime, and as evidence, they point to the fact that very few people have been convicted of voter fraud in recent years. This, of course, is disingenuous, because it doesn’t take into account the unique nature of voter fraud, and it speaks to the stupidity of the Republican enactors of Voter ID legislation that they often let this nonsense go without tearing it apart.Voter fraud is usually an organized activity, not some spur-of-the-moment decision by its perpetrators, the overwhelming majority of whom are Democrats – as we have seen with the IRS and FEC, the spirit of Tammany Hall is still very much alive and well in the Democrat Party. It’s relatively easy to carry out, and, unless stupid or lazy, like ACORN’s activists, extremely difficult to get caught because, unlike burglary or fraud, it’s a crime where the victim doesn’t know he’s been robbed  – no one notices that his vote just got cancelled out because some other guy voted twice. Furthermore, thanks to the fact that votes are rightly anonymous, and the fact that once it gets into the ballot box, there’s no way to sort out legitimately cast votes from the fraudulent, prosecution is extremely hard.Too many people focus on ACORN’s registrations of Mickey Mouse, Daffy Duck and the entire line-up of the Yankees. First of all, ACORN was, and is, not the only Leftist “social justice” organization that goes out to register voters (both real and fraudulent) for the Democrat Party. Second, the cartoon characters and celebrities are atypical, and simply a sign of a lack of discipline and dedication, not to mention greed to maximize the number of registrations. The real scrutiny should go to the normal sounding names i.e. Richard Coleman, Daniel Smith, Rebecca Perez, etc.How it works is simple; you register fake voters with real addresses lined up against their voting precincts some months before election day. You keep a record of these fake registrations. You also cross-check the list of registered voters as against lists of people who have passed away, moved or are registered in nursing homes. Again, you keep records.As Election Day approaches and early voting starts, you print up fake utility bills and simply hand them out to volunteers – the unions are usually able to rustle a number up – or, as the article up above points out, the local Democrat Party machine hands out “walking around money” and Democrat operatives are at local homeless shelters, day-labor corners, or wino encampments, with vans to drive people from polling place to polling place, and utility bills and other paper “proof-of-address” documents to be issued as appropriate for each location. If the state allows same-day registration – all that the Democrat operatives in the vans need is to give their charges is a small piece of paper with addresses and ZIP codes matching the polling station on Election Day.So “Richard Coleman” votes, becomes “Daniel Smith” in another part of town and votes again, and so on. By the time our admirably extra-conscientious citizen has done his civic duty five to six times, he gets a pack of cigarettes or twenty dollars and he’s back to being just “Bob” at the homeless shelter. The five fraudulent votes he cast, however, are nicely mixed in with legitimate votes to be counted, now impossible to be identified and extracted.In all the rush and with all the long lines on Election Day, especially in the cities, who has time to check? The utility companies do not send reps to sit with the pollworkers to identify whether the bill being presented is real or fake and practically none would spend the resources necessary to go after people who fake their bills when it’s not hurting their bottomline.In other words, the victims don’t know they’ve been robbed, it’s close to impossible to get caught, and even if caught, the fraudulently cast votes cannot identified, which means they still get counted, and which also means there is no proof that the person caught actually cast a vote – even if he did enter the polling booth. Furthermore, since the proof of address has no picture and the details inside are false, the person can plausibly claim to not to have anything to do with the document – e.g. he saw it on the ground and just picked it up. Which makes this as close to a perfect crime as it gets.However, with a photo ID requirement, narrowed to just a finite handful of government issued cards and papers, things get much less simple, much more expensive, and much more risky.A utility bill on a piece of paper is easy and dirt cheap to produce, and distributing them to your fake voters requires no special logistical effort to match a document to an individual – you can simply share them out at random. Fake driver’s licenses and military ID cards are not so easy or cheap – and not only do you have to produce the ID, this time you have to match documents to specific individuals. Worse still, given the transient and highly mobile lifestyles of the sort of people you find at homeless shelters and day-labor corners, you may end up investing money and effort to produce an ID for “Bob” only for him to hitch a ride out of town before the main event.The added element of risk comes from the fact that with a finite, smaller number of allowed forms of identification, pollworkers and the parties’ poll watchers can be easily trained to spot fakes – which further increases the cost of producing fake IDs. Faking the holographs, watermarks and all the other anti-fraud and security measures that tend to adorn government issued IDs for the number of people required is not cheap.Even worse; once caught with fake photo ID, “Bob” can’t plausibly deny that he just picked it up, especially with his picture on the card. And considering the fact that every government in the world takes a rather dim view of people forging its documents, the probability that one would face prosecution just got much higher – “Bob” and his other fellows in the van would need a lot more than a pack of cigarettes or $20 to convince them to go into the polling station with fake IDs bearing their photographs. And they likely won’t fail to mention the van and the people carrying them around to vote.Add it all together; requiring valid government issued photo ID makes voter fraud more expensive, more logistically tasking, much more likely to be discovered, and much more likely that the perpetrators are going to jail.That, in a nutshell, is why Democrats are so upset about voter ID legislation. It isn’t because voter fraud is so rarely caught and prosecuted, it’s because they want to keep it that way.
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Wow. Ticklemybag gets an epic smackdown from BH about the NYT and he responds with an opinion piece from the Spandos Daily..... :shock:

OK guys, we all need to step back a step - he's not role playing anymore and who wants to be the guy that causes him to go permanent JSO? Not me...... bad karma.... :ohno:
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Re: SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

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Skjellyfetti wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: Documented.. :dunce:

That's like saying on a highway if only 1 in 10,000 drivers are ticketed for speeding then only 1 in 10,000 drive over the speed limit...
Y'all say that voter fraud is a problem.

I haven't seen how it is. It's exceedingly rare. It's not in the same stratosphere as "speeding" :lol:
Copy and paste of post I made back in Feb 12':
BDKJMU wrote:70 former employees in 12 states convicted of voter fraud
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 61772.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just some of the examples below:

11/1/06: "ACORN Workers Indicted For Alleged Voter Fraud

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Four people have been indicted on charges of voter fraud in Kansas City, officials said Wednesday.
Investigators said questionable registration forms for new voters were collected by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now......"
http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

11/12/07: "Felony charges filed against 7 in state's biggest case of voter-registration fraud

King and Pierce County prosecutors filed felony charges today against seven people who allegedly committed the biggest voter-registration fraud in state history.

The defendants, who were paid employees and supervisors of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now....."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ud26m.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

""Prosecutors: ACORN 2008 Milwaukee Voter Drive "Marred by Fraud"

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A voter registration drive that the community organizing group ACORN conducted in Milwaukee before the 2008 presidential election was marred by fraud and corruption, prosecutors said Monday.

Two former ACORN employees, Maria Miles and Kevin Clancy, were criminally charged Monday. The complaint accuses them of repeatedly trying to register the same voters more than once to meet a 20-signature-per-day quota imposed by ACORN, the embattled group that advocates for low-income people.

ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"Miles stated they were 'all hoodlums' working for ACORN and they all had criminal histories, and that they were going to 'do whatever they had to do' to be able to gain their money at the end of each day," Assistant Attorney General David W. Maas and special agent Peter Thelen wrote in the complaint filed in Milwaukee County.....:
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/86913867.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

11/23/09 Ex-ACORN official gets probation for voter registration plan
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/no ... gistratio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4/6/2011 "ACORN pleads guilty to felony compensation for registration of voters

The grass-roots community organizing group ACORN once drew the ire of conservative groups and the attention of national media.

And when ACORN faced charges in Las Vegas of voter registration malfeasance in 2008, a flock of political spin doctors and lawyers rushed to its defense.

But three years later, with ACORN's two co-defendants already having taken plea deals and the group essentially defunct and in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, the case received little attention as a lawyer on behalf of ACORN pleaded guilty Wednesday....."
http://www.lvrj.com/news/acorn-pleads-g ... 67839.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4/10/2011: Judge fines ACORN $5,000 for voter registration scheme

A judge Wednesday slapped the defunct grass-roots community organizing group ACORN with a maximum $5,000 fine for its role in a voter registration compensation scheme in the 2008 election cycle.

District Judge Donald Mosley was confined by statute to fine only the corporation, which pleaded guilty in April to one count of felony compensation for registration of voters.

Mosley said that if there were an individual standing before him, and not a corporation, that person would have been given a 10-year prison sentence, "and I wouldn't have thought twice about it."

The judge chastised the now-bankrupt corporation for making a "mockery" of the nation's election process. "This isn't a banana republic," Mosley said.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/judge-fines-ac ... 67598.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

7/9/08 Funds Misappropriated at 2 Nonprofit Groups

Acorn chose to treat the embezzlement of nearly $1 million eight years ago as an internal matter and did not even notify its board....

...A whistle-blower forced Acorn to disclose the embezzlement, which involved the brother of the organization’s founder, Wade Rathke.

The brother, Dale Rathke, embezzled nearly $1 million from Acorn and affiliated charitable organizations in 1999 and 2000, Acorn officials said, but a small group of executives decided to keep the information from almost all of the group’s board members and not to alert law enforcement....."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/09embezzle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...as documented in a July 2009 report by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, of the 1.3 million registrations Project Vote/ACORN submitted in the 2008 election cycle, more than one-third were invalid..."
http://www.newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/4268" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

".....In Orlando, home to the Magic Kingdom of Disney, Mickey Mouse tried to register. In Indiana there was an application from a sandwich shop called Jimmy Johns. Authorities in Nevada were surprised to receive voter registration forms from the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys.

All these applications were provided by the Association of Community Organisations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group that works to register low-income voters. ACORN has been industrious this year, signing up 1.3m voters in 21 states according to its own tallies. But they have run into some trouble; thousands of their voter-registration applications are fakes. In Connecticut a seven-year-old girl applied. A man in Ohio admitted he had signed up with organisers more than 70 times in exchange for cash and cigarettes. In one county in Indiana ACORN turned in 5,000 applications, 2,100 of which were quickly identified as fakes......"
http://www.economist.com/node/12432392" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yet another example of KYJelly FAIL.
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