Single Most Important Issue

[GannonFan]

It's not irrelevant to my question. What matters to the most people TODAY is whether they have a job or not. Whether the government has a budget, or whether the US goes into deeper debt, is not likely the number one concern of the average voter in the current situation. Hell, we all lived through both scenarios recently haven't we? Most people haven't felt the impact. But those who are struggling to find work have felt the impact. And we are all feeling the impact of their unemployment benefits.

My question is to determine how we vote. A vote for anything other than the one thing that affects more citizens than anything else (Jobs) is just a wrong vote. Now if we had 4% unemployment and wages were up to where they were before the shitstorm, then I can understand looking at other issues. A vote for Obama in 08 and 12 was, at the very least, the wrong time. He did not have the experience, or the political platform, to pull a fast employment recovery. The timing of the ACA was complete negligence and with the number of premium payers dropping drastically, it will soon fail long before the Republicans have a chance to pull the plug on it. And the lack of immigration reform is further compounding the problem. And now with the corporate tax issue shining brightly in his eyes, he is....................doing nothing but calling inversion "unpatriotic".

The Federal Government is NOT about "Making Jobs" -
Its not their job to make jobs - unless you want a Communist Government

I don't think anyone would really argue about that (well, kalm might, but he's a bit of a sophist). But the federal government should at least be about not getting in the way of jobs being made. Within reason of course.

[CAA Flagship]

It's not irrelevant to my question. What matters to the most people TODAY is whether they have a job or not. Whether the government has a budget, or whether the US goes into deeper debt, is not likely the number one concern of the average voter in the current situation. Hell, we all lived through both scenarios recently haven't we? Most people haven't felt the impact. But those who are struggling to find work have felt the impact. And we are all feeling the impact of their unemployment benefits.

My question is to determine how we vote. A vote for anything other than the one thing that affects more citizens than anything else (Jobs) is just a wrong vote. Now if we had 4% unemployment and wages were up to where they were before the shitstorm, then I can understand looking at other issues. A vote for Obama in 08 and 12 was, at the very least, the wrong time. He did not have the experience, or the political platform, to pull a fast employment recovery. The timing of the ACA was complete negligence and with the number of premium payers dropping drastically, it will soon fail long before the Republicans have a chance to pull the plug on it. And the lack of immigration reform is further compounding the problem. And now with the corporate tax issue shining brightly in his eyes, he is....................doing nothing but calling inversion "unpatriotic".

The Federal Government is NOT about "Making Jobs" -
Its not their job to make jobs - unless you want a Communist Government

Really? This is your response?

[Chizzang]

The Federal Government is NOT about "Making Jobs" -
Its not their job to make jobs - unless you want a Communist Government

Really? This is your response?

I eagerly await your actual response....

[CAA Flagship]

Really? This is your response?

I eagerly await your actual response....

First, the Federal Government does create jobs. They're called government jobs. But I'm sure you know that.

Second, the Federal Government sets the tax rates. They regulate. They negotiate with foreign countries. They regulate. They infuse the market with stimulus money. Aaaaaaaaaaand, they regulate.

All of those things, plus many more actions of the Fed Gov, have an influence on the economy and the job market. Competent operators of this massive force know what buttons to push to react to various economic conditions. Incompetent operators do not. And operators intent on growing political power will only push certain buttons.

[Chizzang]

I eagerly await your actual response....

First, the Federal Government does create jobs. They're called government jobs. But I'm sure you know that.

Second, the Federal Government sets the tax rates. They regulate. They negotiate with foreign countries. They regulate. They infuse the market with stimulus money. Aaaaaaaaaaand, they regulate.

All of those things, plus many more actions of the Fed Gov, have an influence on the economy and the job market. Competent operators of this massive force know what buttons to push to react to various economic conditions. Incompetent operators do not. And operators intent on growing political power will only push certain buttons.

The Federal Government does NOT create jobs... that is NOT a function of the Federal Process
Jobs (positions) are required to make the Government work and virtually all of them are a drain on the rest of the economy (See the TSA and US Postal Service etc.)

Here are a list of HUNDREDS of Government agencies - of which 50% are completely useless YET all of them cost us the TAX PAYER Money / http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However: My Point...
The Government (depending on the laws passed) may assist in creating a playing field for business that is more / or less favorable to a certain type of business.

Presently we have a system that favors GIANT corporations
and penalizes smaller to mid-sized businesses / Some might claim this is a good things others might like it to be different / it can be argued either way: Example Wal-Mart LOVES the present landscape for business

So my initial point:
A Functional Federal Budget
We need a fixed actual budget that our government can work within...
Otherwise we get what we have now - which is an every spiraling upward trend towards larger and more expensive and less effective giant sloth of a government

We need a real budget - defined properly - the end

[kalm]

The Federal Government is NOT about "Making Jobs" -
Its not their job to make jobs - unless you want a Communist Government

I don't think anyone would really argue about that (well, kalm might, but he's a bit of a sophist). But the federal government should at least be about not getting in the way of jobs being made. Within reason of course.

I'm sorry I've upset you to the point where you feel mischaracterizing my views is necessary.

[CAA Flagship]

The Federal Government does NOT create jobs... that is NOT a function of the Federal Process
Jobs (positions) are required to make the Government work and virtually all of them are a drain on the rest of the economy (See the TSA and US Postal Service etc.)

Here are a list of HUNDREDS of Government agencies - of which 50% are completely useless YET all of them cost us the TAX PAYER Money / http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Who has the authority to add or shitcan agencies or positions? The CEO of Seagate Technology or the Government?
Stop pissing on my back and telling me it's raining.

However: My Point...
The Government (depending on the laws passed) may assist in creating a playing field for business that is more / or less favorable to a certain type of business.

Presently we have a system that favors GIANT corporations
and penalizes smaller to mid-sized businesses / Some might claim this is a good things others might like it to be different / it can be argued either way: Example Wal-Mart LOVES the present landscape for business

So my initial point:
A Functional Federal Budget
We need a fixed actual budget that our government can work within...
Otherwise we get what we have now - which is an every spiraling upward trend towards larger and more expensive and less effective giant sloth of a government

We need a real budget - defined properly - the end

I'm not arguing any of this. We are in agreement.
But what will have a greater effect on the average voter, the setting of a budget or fixing tax laws and eliminating useless regulations that are burdensome to all companies? The latter of which would lead to economic growth and job creation (and increased tax revenue).

I get it though, it is all important because it all affects the Government's bottom line. But people need to work. It's the most important thing on the minds of most Americans. The ones not thinking about it are the ones that have a job and feel secure, and those that are living comfortably on the entitlement programs (but even they are sweating it out that the gravy train will stop some day).

I started this thread to point out that, other than safety, JOBS is the most far reaching issue across the American population. It affects all ages because all ages participate in the economy. It should be the number one priority of every Administration. And it should be the first thing we, as voters, evaluate in the candidates.

[Chizzang]

The Federal Government does NOT create jobs... that is NOT a function of the Federal Process
Jobs (positions) are required to make the Government work and virtually all of them are a drain on the rest of the economy (See the TSA and US Postal Service etc.)

Here are a list of HUNDREDS of Government agencies - of which 50% are completely useless YET all of them cost us the TAX PAYER Money / http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Who has the authority to add or shitcan agencies or positions? The CEO of Seagate Technology or the Government?
Stop pissing on my back and telling me it's raining.

However: My Point...
The Government (depending on the laws passed) may assist in creating a playing field for business that is more / or less favorable to a certain type of business.

Presently we have a system that favors GIANT corporations
and penalizes smaller to mid-sized businesses / Some might claim this is a good things others might like it to be different / it can be argued either way: Example Wal-Mart LOVES the present landscape for business

So my initial point:
A Functional Federal Budget
We need a fixed actual budget that our government can work within...
Otherwise we get what we have now - which is an every spiraling upward trend towards larger and more expensive and less effective giant sloth of a government

We need a real budget - defined properly - the end

I'm not arguing any of this. We are in agreement.
But what will have a greater effect on the average voter, the setting of a budget or fixing tax laws and eliminating useless regulations that are burdensome to all companies? The latter of which would lead to economic growth and job creation (and increased tax revenue).

I get it though, it is all important because it all affects the Government's bottom line. But people need to work. It's the most important thing on the minds of most Americans. The ones not thinking about it are the ones that have a job and feel secure, and those that are living comfortably on the entitlement programs (but even they are sweating it out that the gravy train will stop some day).

I started this thread to point out that, other than safety, JOBS is the most far reaching issue across the American population. It affects all ages because all ages participate in the economy. It should be the number one priority of every Administration. And it should be the first thing we, as voters, evaluate in the candidates.

Jobs creation..?
Wal-Mart is always hiring

So, problem solved

[CAA Flagship]

Who has the authority to add or shitcan agencies or positions? The CEO of Seagate Technology or the Government?
Stop pissing on my back and telling me it's raining.


I'm not arguing any of this. We are in agreement.
But what will have a greater effect on the average voter, the setting of a budget or fixing tax laws and eliminating useless regulations that are burdensome to all companies? The latter of which would lead to economic growth and job creation (and increased tax revenue).

I get it though, it is all important because it all affects the Government's bottom line. But people need to work. It's the most important thing on the minds of most Americans. The ones not thinking about it are the ones that have a job and feel secure, and those that are living comfortably on the entitlement programs (but even they are sweating it out that the gravy train will stop some day).

I started this thread to point out that, other than safety, JOBS is the most far reaching issue across the American population. It affects all ages because all ages participate in the economy. It should be the number one priority of every Administration. And it should be the first thing we, as voters, evaluate in the candidates.

Jobs creation..?
Wal-Mart is always hiring

So, problem solved

[kalm]

The Federal Government does NOT create jobs... that is NOT a function of the Federal Process
Jobs (positions) are required to make the Government work and virtually all of them are a drain on the rest of the economy (See the TSA and US Postal Service etc.)

Here are a list of HUNDREDS of Government agencies - of which 50% are completely useless YET all of them cost us the TAX PAYER Money / http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Who has the authority to add or shitcan agencies or positions? The CEO of Seagate Technology or the Government?
Stop pissing on my back and telling me it's raining.

However: My Point...
The Government (depending on the laws passed) may assist in creating a playing field for business that is more / or less favorable to a certain type of business.

Presently we have a system that favors GIANT corporations
and penalizes smaller to mid-sized businesses / Some might claim this is a good things others might like it to be different / it can be argued either way: Example Wal-Mart LOVES the present landscape for business

So my initial point:
A Functional Federal Budget
We need a fixed actual budget that our government can work within...
Otherwise we get what we have now - which is an every spiraling upward trend towards larger and more expensive and less effective giant sloth of a government

We need a real budget - defined properly - the end

I'm not arguing any of this. We are in agreement.
But what will have a greater effect on the average voter, the setting of a budget or fixing tax laws and eliminating useless regulations that are burdensome to all companies? The latter of which would lead to economic growth and job creation (and increased tax revenue).

I get it though, it is all important because it all affects the Government's bottom line. But people need to work. It's the most important thing on the minds of most Americans. The ones not thinking about it are the ones that have a job and feel secure, and those that are living comfortably on the entitlement programs (but even they are sweating it out that the gravy train will stop some day).

I started this thread to point out that, other than safety, JOBS is the most far reaching issue across the American population. It affects all ages because all ages participate in the economy. It should be the number one priority of every Administration. And it should be the first thing we, as voters, evaluate in the candidates.

Want more jobs? How about demand?

[CAA Flagship]

Who has the authority to add or shitcan agencies or positions? The CEO of Seagate Technology or the Government?
Stop pissing on my back and telling me it's raining.


I'm not arguing any of this. We are in agreement.
But what will have a greater effect on the average voter, the setting of a budget or fixing tax laws and eliminating useless regulations that are burdensome to all companies? The latter of which would lead to economic growth and job creation (and increased tax revenue).

I get it though, it is all important because it all affects the Government's bottom line. But people need to work. It's the most important thing on the minds of most Americans. The ones not thinking about it are the ones that have a job and feel secure, and those that are living comfortably on the entitlement programs (but even they are sweating it out that the gravy train will stop some day).

I started this thread to point out that, other than safety, JOBS is the most far reaching issue across the American population. It affects all ages because all ages participate in the economy. It should be the number one priority of every Administration. And it should be the first thing we, as voters, evaluate in the candidates.

Want more jobs? How about demand?

Chicken. Egg.