Why the opposition to using ground troops?

[YoUDeeMan]

Either go in to win and stay as long as it takes, or stay the h*!! away. We were stupid to pull out before the area was stabilized, and give up the costly victory the first time. Repeating that mistake won't be any better.

When, exactly, will the area be stabilized?

Was it stabilized under Sadaam? How about Libya...when was that stabilized? Iran?

When was Vietnam stabilized? Here's a hint...AFTER WE LEFT.

The WORLD was supposed to collapse after Vietnam. We were in there to hold back the freakin' Red Tide. Those gooks were all supposed to be at our borders at any minute if we let Vietnam fall into the hands of some communist savages. Domino city, baby. How'd that work out? Well, after we left, they killed a lot of people, mainly themselves and their neighbors, and...well, the fall of the West never occurred.

I'm not sure why this isn't being understood: ISIS a trumpeting around in a freaking land locked dessert, surrounded by forces that don't like them, and is no real threat to the U.S. of A.

No one has yet to define how they pose a threat to the U.S..

Kerry, the clown, went in front of Congress yesterday and said ISIL (funny how ISIL and ISIS are carefully being used whenever it is convenient) treated women badly, and cut off people's heads. He said that with a straight face. Excellent! We'll begin bombing Saudi Arabia today.

Turkey and the Kurds are to the north, Iran is to the north and east (let's repeat, it is Saudi Arabia, not Iran, who is supporting ISIS), Assad to the west, and Israel to the southeast. Where, exactly, is this horde of super ISIS soldiers going to go next?

Step back and let the locals handle it. If need be, cut off their damned funding (hello Saudi Arabia) and let them languish in the dessert.

Anyone who believes ISIS is a direct threat to the United States is simply getting conned.

[LeadBolt]

Either go in to win and stay as long as it takes, or stay the h*!! away. We were stupid to pull out before the area was stabilized, and give up the costly victory the first time. Repeating that mistake won't be any better.

Go in to win what?

Win = To achieve the objective.

I make the assumption that in this case the objective would be to rid Iraq and Syria of the small minority of violent, jihadist Islamists that are killing and suppressing the large majority of moderate, peace loving Muslims and minority populations of other religions and ethnicities so that those countries can achieve peaceful self rule and stability.

I assume that this area of the world will never be stable. It certainly hasn't been for millennia. So I would favor staying the h#!! away, since I do not think we have the resolve to achieve the objective. We tried that and proved we did not have the resolve by withdrawing prematurely. What makes anyone think we will stay longer this time? I have often heard that continually repeating the same action and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

[andy7171]

For the record. I have no problem inserting troops as long as they can do what they need to do to wipe those fuckers out. What I do have a problem with it announcing to our enemy, who ever they be, what we will and won't do before we even do it.

Well then, why don't we quit pussy footing around and declare a world wide war on radical islam? Invade every country where it rears its ugly head. Would you be ok in starting with Saudi Arabia? They practice Sharia Law there, behead people for non-violent crimes, and privately provide much of the financial support to groups like ISIS.

Isis has declared war on the world. Get them there before they get here.

[kalm]

Well then, why don't we quit pussy footing around and declare a world wide war on radical islam? Invade every country where it rears its ugly head. Would you be ok in starting with Saudi Arabia? They practice Sharia Law there, behead people for non-violent crimes, and privately provide much of the financial support to groups like ISIS.

Isis has declared war on the world. Get them there before they get here.

OK Lindsey Graham.

[Pwns]

Americans are war-weary and it's very close to an election.

[houndawg]

Does anybody find it odd that our conservative chorus hasn't yet mentioned the benefits of small government and less spending in this thread.....

[CAA Flagship]

The benefits of small government and less spending.

[houndawg]

The benefits of small government and less spending.

[Pwns]

Does anybody find it odd that our conservative chorus hasn't yet mentioned the benefits of small government and less spending in this thread.....

Nah...we don't want to come off as racist and being against whatever Obama is for. Especially when it comes to fighting terra.

[Skjellyfetti]

I think Scotland has the right for self determination and Obama is correct to not send ground troops into Scotland to prevent their independence if that is what they choose.

[LeadBolt]

I think Scotland has the right for self determination and Obama is correct to not send ground troops into Scotland to prevent their independence if that is what they choose.

So you would have opposed Lincoln not following Obama's Scotland example when the Confederate States voted to secede and use their right to self determination to be independent?

[Chizzang]

Cluck nailed it...

ISIS = Saudi

[DSUrocks07]

I think Scotland has the right for self determination and Obama is correct to not send ground troops into Scotland to prevent their independence if that is what they choose.

An aside...

The Catalonian situation in Spain is going to be a DOOZY when that comes to a head.

[LeadBolt]

Look who wants to attack ISIS, making that officially wrong:


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBHNZKR2OFA#t=63[/youtube]

[JohnStOnge]

Did congress decide on SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and the EPA?

Yes, but I don't think the Constitution as it was intended and/or originally understood gives them the power to do those things. I

Say you had a time machine and went back to 1789 when the Constitution went into effect. You talked to the people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution. You described the Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid programs. You described what the EPA does. Then you ask them if the Constitution they just put in place gives the Congress the power to establish such things. I think they'd have said you were nuts to even ask the question. They'd say it obviously does not and that's ridiculous.

But the Constitution does explicitly and directly give the Congress the power to declare war. Absolutely no doubt about that one.

[houndawg]

Did congress decide on SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and the EPA?

Yes, but I don't think the Constitution as it was intended and/or originally understood gives them the power to do those things. I

Say you had a time machine and went back to 1789 when the Constitution went into effect. You talked to the people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution. You described the Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid programs. You described what the EPA does. Then you ask them if the Constitution they just put in place gives the Congress the power to establish such things. I think they'd have said you were nuts to even ask the question. They'd say it obviously does not and that's ridiculous.

But the Constitution does explicitly and directly give the Congress the power to declare war. Absolutely no doubt about that one.

You think a lot of things that aren't so Johnny boy, and you have the right to do so if you want to. And who cares what they would have thought? Its just a goddamn piece of paper and sometimes it slows down bidniz....

[CitadelGrad]

Yes, but I don't think the Constitution as it was intended and/or originally understood gives them the power to do those things. I

Say you had a time machine and went back to 1789 when the Constitution went into effect. You talked to the people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution. You described the Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid programs. You described what the EPA does. Then you ask them if the Constitution they just put in place gives the Congress the power to establish such things. I think they'd have said you were nuts to even ask the question. They'd say it obviously does not and that's ridiculous.

But the Constitution does explicitly and directly give the Congress the power to declare war. Absolutely no doubt about that one.

You think a lot of things that aren't so Johnny boy, and you have the right to do so if you want to. And who cares what they would have thought? Its just a goddamn piece of paper and sometimes it slows down bidniz....

Every law on the books in this country, whether federal, state or local is just a piece of paper. Do you suggest that we ignore all of them?

[kalm]

Did congress decide on SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and the EPA?

Yes, but I don't think the Constitution as it was intended and/or originally understood gives them the power to do those things. I

Say you had a time machine and went back to 1789 when the Constitution went into effect. You talked to the people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution. You described the Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid programs. You described what the EPA does. Then you ask them if the Constitution they just put in place gives the Congress the power to establish such things. I think they'd have said you were nuts to even ask the question. They'd say it obviously does not and that's ridiculous.

But the Constitution does explicitly and directly give the Congress the power to declare war. Absolutely no doubt about that one.

So the constitution says they can't?

I'm sure there's a lot of things that would disappoint the founders, and there are many things that would surprise and delight them. If they were smart men, they'd recognize a need for an evolving constitution. Except they did.

[kalm]

Does anybody find it odd that our conservative chorus hasn't yet mentioned the benefits of small government and less spending in this thread.....

Nah...we don't want to come off as racist and being against whatever Obama is for. Especially when it comes to fighting terra.

Conks love big government as long as it includes blowing things up and incarcerating folks for possessing something that they can grow in their backyard.

[houndawg]

Conservatives fear everything. It's what they do.

[CID1990]

Its just a goddamn piece of paper and sometimes it slows down bidniz....

That kind of thinking is precisely the reason the document was created in the first place. It is also the reason it remains pertinent and necessary to this day.

[kalm]

Nice to see some help here. Are ground troops really needed?

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[houndawg]

You think a lot of things that aren't so Johnny boy, and you have the right to do so if you want to. And who cares what they would have thought? Its just a goddamn piece of paper and sometimes it slows down bidniz....

Every law on the books in this country, whether federal, state or local is just a piece of paper. Do you suggest that we ignore all of them?

I don't suggest anything of the kind, I was just quoting your boy. We do ignore most of them anyway when its convenient to do so.

[CitadelGrad]

Every law on the books in this country, whether federal, state or local is just a piece of paper. Do you suggest that we ignore all of them?

I don't suggest anything of the kind, I was just quoting your boy. We do ignore most of them anyway when its convenient to do so.

My boy?

[JohnStOnge]

You think a lot of things that aren't so Johnny boy, and you have the right to do so if you want to.

What I wrote in the language to which you are responding is so. I just said "I think" in order to be polite.

There's no way, none, that those people would've construed the Constitution as giving the Federal government the authority to do the things I listed.