If Money is Speech...

Post by **kalm** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:18 am

Do poor people not have as much of a right to it?

Discuss...

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:35 am

Seriously, kalmie, this has to be one of your weakest efforts to date. It's like you're just mailing it in now.

Post by **kalm** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:36 am

GannonFan wrote:Seriously, kalmie, this has to be one of your weakest efforts to date. It's like you're just mailing it in now.

Answer the question. Should you be able to buy greater rights?

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:02 am

I'll bite...
(you rotten bastard)

Please stand by I'm gathering my funds

Post by **kalm** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:16 am

Chizzang wrote:I'll bite...
(you rotten bastard)

Please stand by I'm gathering my funds

Clever! And a nice dodge...

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:42 am

kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:I'll bite...
(you rotten bastard)

Please stand by I'm gathering my funds
Clever! And a nice dodge...

America was founded on the very principal that some folks were more equal than others
Like for example Wealthy Land owners were Citizens ...

Wasn't George Washington (The Ronald Reagan of the late 1700's) the wealthiest land owner in the Americas..?

Post by **andy7171** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:46 am

Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
Clever! And a nice dodge...

America was founded on the very principal that some folks were more equal than others
Like for example Wealthy Land owners were Citizens ...

Wasn't George Washington (The Ronald Reagan of the late 1700's) the wealthiest land owner in the Americas..?

I don't know. But he learned to be a great general. Did he buy that rank?

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:10 am

andy7171 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

America was founded on the very principal that some folks were more equal than others
Like for example Wealthy Land owners were Citizens ...

Wasn't George Washington (The Ronald Reagan of the late 1700's) the wealthiest land owner in the Americas..?
I don't know. But he learned to be a great general. Did he buy that rank?

I'm not disparaging our forefathers here...
I'm just trying to point out the original understanding of the difference between a commoner and a citizen

Post by **andy7171** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:23 am

Chizzang wrote:
andy7171 wrote: I don't know. But he learned to be a great general. Did he buy that rank?
I'm not disparaging our forefathers here...
I'm just trying to point out the original understanding of the difference between a commoner and a citizen

The original understanding of being a citizen was founded by the British.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:11 am

andy7171 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
I'm not disparaging our forefathers here...
I'm just trying to point out the original understanding of the difference between a commoner and a citizen
The original understanding of being a citizen was founded by the British.

Which we gladly adopted...

Post by **Ibanez** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:27 am

andy7171 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

America was founded on the very principal that some folks were more equal than others
Like for example Wealthy Land owners were Citizens ...

Wasn't George Washington (The Ronald Reagan of the late 1700's) the wealthiest land owner in the Americas..?
I don't know. But he learned to be a great general. Did he buy that rank?

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:36 am

kalm wrote:Do poor people not have as much of a right to it?

Discuss...

god what a dumb question

you tapped out on the last related thread

do you really crave punishment this much?

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:55 am

OK kalm, we've waited long enough. Where are you going with this?

Post by **Ibanez** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:01 am

If Money = Speech, is it your contention that the poor have no right to a voice?

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:27 am

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:Do poor people not have as much of a right to it?

Discuss...
god what a dumb question

you tapped out on the last related thread

do you really crave punishment this much?

Oh come on... Lets play along

(I love these)

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:51 am

Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
Clever! And a nice dodge...

America was founded on the very principal that some folks were more equal than others
Like for example Wealthy Land owners were Citizens ...

Wasn't George Washington (The Ronald Reagan of the late 1700's) the wealthiest land owner in the Americas..?

No because Hamilton and Franklin outbid him for their picture on higher currency.

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:52 am

If Money is Speech...the Donks would tax the spoken words.

Post by **travelinman67** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:07 pm

kalm wrote:
GannonFan wrote:Seriously, kalmie, this has to be one of your weakest efforts to date. It's like you're just mailing it in now.
Answer the question. Should you be able to buy greater rights?

Poor people can still vote...

YOU, however, should be involuntarily committed.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:09 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:If Money is Speech...the Donks would tax the spoken words.

Well, technically, all words would originate from the government and any words that we get to keep would be considered a word subsidy.

On the bright side, anything that you said that you would ever want to take back and not be blamed for saying you could justifiably use the "you didn't build that" mantra and just tweak it to say "I didn't say that". There are advantages.

OL FU · Post by **OL FU** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:43 pm

Ok I understand the money is speech thing, but once again it is people playing with words. IMHO. Speech should not be limited. In todays world, speech, to reach any sized audience (unless you are the president or some other major league politician and can tell the press to cover you), requires money. Therefore limiting the amount of money one can use to speak limits speech.

Whether you agree or disagree with limiting money it seems that the above more accurately describes this than the talking points of one side or the other.

Did I miss something somewhere?

PS the biggest problem I have with most ideas to limit money in politics is little more than an incumbent protection clause and I think we have enough of that.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:07 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:If Money is Speech...the Donks would tax the spoken words.

Ronald Reagan was a serial Tax Raiser
George Bush Sr. Raise taxes 3 times after he said: "No New Taxes"

So what point exactly are you trying to make..?

1) That you know nothing of the Republican Party History
2) That you simply believe everything you're told by the TV
3) That you like saying stuff you hear other people say

Take your time..

OL FU · Post by **OL FU** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:10 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:If Money is Speech...the Donks would tax the spoken words.
Ronald Reagan was a serial Tax Raiser
..

Here is the interesting thing. While of course technically correct, any one that says the above Can't see the forest for the trees. I love clichés.

Post by **Col Hogan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:15 pm

Who wrote the law to tax the rain in Maryland?

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:17 pm

OL FU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Ronald Reagan was a serial Tax Raiser
..
Here is the interesting thing. While of course technically correct, any one that says the above Can't see the forest for the trees. I love clichés.

Agreed,
How about deficit spending - is that a Democrat thing too..?

Post by **Col Hogan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:19 pm

Chizzang wrote:
OL FU wrote:
Here is the interesting thing. While of course technically correct, any one that says the above Can't see the forest for the trees. I love clichés.
Agreed,
How about deficit spending - is that a Democrat thing too..?

Democrats = Tax and spend
Republicans = Borrow and spend

Both are equally wrong...

Spend what you make...no more!!!

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