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Who do we bomb next in the middle east now that Assad is no longer a threat to freedom? Saudi Arabia executed 23 people this month, many of which were for petty crimes. Perhaps it's there turn? How about Libya? We haven't been there for awhile and we still need to seek revenge for Benghazi. Iran? Oh wait, they are against ISIL and could be a potential ally.

Great article and kudos' to Cluck for getting this topic right time and again. :nod:
The Fun of Empire: Fighting on All Sides of a War in Syria
By Glenn Greenwald26 Aug 2014, 10:22 AM EDT

CBS News, August 18, 2011:

President Barack Obama officially demanded that Syrian President Bashar Assad resign for the sake of his own people, saying he was no longer fit to lead after “imprisoning, torturing, and slaughtering his own people” during a crackdown on pro-reform protesters.

New York Times, October 24, 2012:

Most of the arms shipped at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar to supply Syrian rebel groups fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists, and not the more secular opposition groups that the West wants to bolster, according to American officials and Middle Eastern diplomats.

Barack Obama, August 31, 2013:

Now, after careful deliberation, I have decided that the United States should take military action against Syrian regime targets. . . . [W]e are the United States of America, and we cannot and must not turn a blind eye to what happened in Damascus.

New York Times, today:

President Obama has authorized surveillance flights over Syria, a precursor to potential airstrikes there, but a mounting concern for the White House is how to target the Sunni extremists without helping President Bashar al-Assad. . . . The flights are a significant step toward direct American military action in Syria, an intervention that could alter the battlefield in the nation’s three-year civil war. . . .

On Monday, Syria warned the White House that it needed to coordinate airstrikes against ISIS or it would view them as a breach of its sovereignty and an “act of aggression.” But it signaled its readiness to work with the United States in a coordinated campaign against the militants.

It was not even a year ago when we were bombarded with messaging that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is a Supreme Evil and Grave Threat, and that military action against his regime was both a moral and strategic imperative. The standard cast of “liberal interventionists” – Tony Blair, Anne-Marie Slaughter, Nicholas Kristof and Samantha Power - issued stirring sermons on the duties of war against Assad. Secretary of State John Kerry actually compared Assad to (guess who?) Hitler, instructing the nation that “this is our Munich moment.” Striking Assad, he argued, “is a matter of national security. It’s a matter of the credibility of the United States of America. It’s a matter of upholding the interests of our allies and friends in the region.”

U.S. military action against the Assad regime was thwarted only by overwhelming American public opinion which opposed it and by a resounding rejection by the UK Parliament of Prime Minister David Cameron’s desire to assume the usual subservient British role in support of American wars.

Now the Obama administration and American political class is celebrating the one-year anniversary of the failed “Bomb Assad!” campaign by starting a new campaign to bomb those fighting against Assad – the very same side the U.S. has been arming over the last two years.

It’s as though the U.S. knew for certain all along that it wanted to fight in the war in Syria, and just needed a little time to figure out on which side it would fight. It switched sides virtually on a dime, and the standard Pentagon courtiers of the U.S. media and war-cheering foreign policy elites are dutifully following suit, mindlessly depicting ISIS as an unprecedented combination of military might and well-armed and well-funded savagery (where did they get those arms and funds?). Something very similar happened in Libya: the U.S. spent a decade insisting that a Global War on Terror – complete with full-scale dismantling of basic liberties and political values – was necessary to fight against the Unique Threat of Al Qaeda and “Jihadists”, only to then fight on the same side as them, and arming and empowering them.
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Love the title! :nod:

The American people are sheep...and we're being lied to. :nod:

The shame is that an awful lot of people (the people hearing the lies, not the perpetrators and story tellers - their desires are a given) want it that way. :ohno:
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Cluck U wrote:Love the title! :nod:

The American people are sheep...and we're being lied to. :nod:

The shame is that an awful lot of people (the people hearing the lies, not the perpetrators and story tellers - their desires are a given) want it that way. :ohno:
We fight wars for freedom and democracy right..?


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Egypt and UAE beat us to it. They're bombing Libya currently.
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andy7171 wrote:Egypt and UAE beat us to it. They're bombing Libya currently.
This is comical.

http://www.newsweek.com/who-bombing-lib ... uae-266599" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Libya's ambassador to the United Nations, Ibrahim Dabbashi, was skeptical about Egypt and UAE involvement.

"I don’t believe it," he told Reuters in New York.

"They are not even technically capable, and it would also be a very sensitive thing for them politically," he said. He declined to speculate on who else might have been behind the air strikes.

Rebel forces from the Libyan city of Misrata had already blamed the air strikes on Egypt and the United Arab Emirates, both of which have cracked down on Islamists.

The Times quoted U.S. officials as saying Egypt had provided launching bases for the strikes, while the pilots, warplanes and aerial refueling planes were from the UAE.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki refused to address the report when asked about it on Monday at a regular State Department briefing in Washington."


Yes, somehow, we know how it happened, even though everyone is denying it, but we weren't involved. :shock:
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Greenwald...yawn...

Poser, pretender, ideaologue, tax cheat, an all around fuckstick.....

He showed some promise with the NSA exposure, but with his total silence on the IRS scandal he showed his true colors.
Surprising when you consider the issues hes had with the IRS.

Fuck him :coffee:
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Baldy wrote:Greenwald...yawn...

Poser, pretender, ideaologue, tax cheat, an all around fuckstick.....

He showed some promise with the NSA exposure, but with his total silence on the IRS scandal he showed his true colors.
Surprising when you consider the issues hes had with the IRS.

Fuck him :coffee:
Link to the tax cheat accusations?

Regarding the IRS, that's a good point considering he focuses on domestic spying. He has no love for the Democratic Party, so this might be a tip of the hat towards the legitimacy of the IRS scandal.
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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote:Greenwald...yawn...

Poser, pretender, ideaologue, tax cheat, an all around fuckstick.....

He showed some promise with the NSA exposure, but with his total silence on the IRS scandal he showed his true colors.
Surprising when you consider the issues hes had with the IRS.

Fuck him :coffee:
Link to the tax cheat accusations?

Regarding the IRS, that's a good point considering he focuses on domestic spying. He has no love for the Democratic Party, so this might be a tip of the hat towards the legitimacy of the IRS scandal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/eri ... s-critics/
Forgot to add pornographer to the list. :coffee:

You are correct about one thing. As a far left-wing Donk, there will be a few of the more moderate Donks he won't like...
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