Angels... Why don't we see them anymore?

[andy7171]

Like I said. I just turned seven. He was a year and two weeks younger than me. I remember him laying down in the yard. My mom running out of the house screaming. And then being at the neighbors house for a sleep over. Not sure I understood what happened. Oh he was born with a heart condition and had to be opened up after birth.
Regardless. I don't think I was really "grieving" at the time.

But I understand what you are working towards.

My aunt had a similar experience before she died. I'll see if this thread continues to share that.

Plethora of neurological and psychological explanations for what you and others experience during duress.

Don't mean to be insensitive, but did it ever occur to you that on this issue, your mother is completely full of shit and invented a myth to help her deal with a horrible tragedy? In her mind, a little bit of your brother lives through you, through this story. Never underestimate the power of self-delusion.

I have thought about it. But first time I heard the story I was in bed and over heard her telling it to her long time friend. I wasn't there but my room was in the basement next to the rec room. I think I was 18-19. She didn't tell me the story until I was 26 on his "death" day. It was a conversation about ghosts. Her friend lived in Bethany in a supposed haunted house.

Thanks for the compassion.

[SeattleGriz]

He isn't here to learn, for I have told him twice that he is confusing history with theology. Simple mistake made by many who just read the Bible and don't do any study.

For some reason, Cleets seems to think that man's historical accounts are synonymous with God's divinity.

Next he will tell us about the deep dark conspiracy that the Bible holds right in front of everyone's nose. LIES...that can be researched by anyone, but yet are used to dupe everyone.

ExpandoCleets.

Okay,
Look Science isn't religion either but that doesn't stop you from trying (daily) to combine the two...

Please let the adults have a conversation

I get it - the Bible cannot be viewed as a historical report or as historical documentation
which conveniently voids it from all serious debate

Taking a cue from Cluck with the ad hominem attack. Are you all hurt now? By the way, you added nothing but attempts to derail the evolution thread. No substance, just your insinuation I was combining God and science. Go back and read the thread and see who provided links to studies and explanations.

As to you "getting it", apparently you don't. The Bible can be used for historical documentation, but to assume, as you have done, that because man wrote down a miracle (in his eyes) is the doings of God...shows you have done no research on the difference between theology and history.

If you weren't so busy parroting the musings of some "flavor of the month" atheist author and actually did some research on the subject, you could be taken seriously. You haven't even been feed milk.

Has it ever occurred to you that we don't see the MAJOR miracles anymore because God and his Word are established? No need to prove anything?

[YoUDeeMan]

Has it ever occurred to you that we don't see the MAJOR miracles anymore because God and his Word are established? No need to prove anything?

Yeah, that's it.

And, "established" is a funny word, especially when tying it to the size of miracles. Guess God missed most of China...probably ran out of miracles...for a few centuries, no? So, forget the miracles...budget was getting thin, we'll just send mercenaries to target the poor and uninformed (the most easily manipulated).

BTW, if an alien race came down and wiped out the written history of mankind, and replaced it with another story, your God would have to start performing more miracles, right?

Good grief, the lengths to which some people will go to extend a story.

[SeattleGriz]

Has it ever occurred to you that we don't see the MAJOR miracles anymore because God and his Word are established? No need to prove anything?

Yeah, that's it.

And, "established" is a funny word, especially when tying it to the size of miracles. Guess God missed most of China...probably ran out of miracles...for a few centuries, no? So, forget the miracles...budget was getting thin, we'll just send mercenaries to target the poor and uninformed (the most easily manipulated).

BTW, if an alien race came down and wiped out the written history of mankind, and replaced it with another story, your God would have to start performing more miracles, right?

Good grief, the lengths to which some people will go to extend a story.

Here we go again. CluckU with his insight and logical fallcies.

How is Christianity not established in the World? Nevermind it is the majority.

Nobody say a thing. Just watch Cluck paint himself into a corner. This is going to be good.

[D1B]

Okay,
Look Science isn't religion either but that doesn't stop you from trying (daily) to combine the two...

Please let the adults have a conversation

I get it - the Bible cannot be viewed as a historical report or as historical documentation
which conveniently voids it from all serious debate

Taking a cue from Cluck with the ad hominem attack. Are you all hurt now? By the way, you added nothing but attempts to derail the evolution thread. No substance, just your insinuation I was combining God and science. Go back and read the thread and see who provided links to studies and explanations.

As to you "getting it", apparently you don't. The Bible can be used for historical documentation, but to assume, as you have done, that because man wrote down a miracle (in his eyes) is the doings of God...shows you have done no research on the difference between theology and history.

If you weren't so busy parroting the musings of some "flavor of the month" atheist author and actually did some research on the subject, you could be taken seriously. You haven't even been feed milk.

Has it ever occurred to you that we don't see the MAJOR miracles anymore because God and his Word are established? No need to prove anything?

SG, people are eschewing religion in record numbers. According to the latest PEW Research Foundation study, the fastest growing subgroup of the religious are those claiming no religion at all.

This is proof that your god's message is failing to survive in an informed world and in places where people are not compelled to believe under threat of death or torture.

If not for rampant Hispanic overpopulation and the forced conversion of Africans (the third world) to Catholicism (become a catholic and we'll feed you) Christianity would be experiencing a much more precipitous decline.

[YoUDeeMan]

Yeah, that's it.

And, "established" is a funny word, especially when tying it to the size of miracles. Guess God missed most of China...probably ran out of miracles...for a few centuries, no? So, forget the miracles...budget was getting thin, we'll just send mercenaries to target the poor and uninformed (the most easily manipulated).

BTW, if an alien race came down and wiped out the written history of mankind, and replaced it with another story, your God would have to start performing more miracles, right?

Good grief, the lengths to which some people will go to extend a story.

Here we go again. CluckU with his insight and logical fallcies.

How is Christianity not established in the World? Nevermind it is the majority.

Nobody say a thing. Just watch Cluck paint himself into a corner. This is going to be good.

Yes, you can certainly establish that God's word is established everywhere, no?



And, it was established for almost forever in China, right? Wait...it wasn't. Damn that fact...I probably should not have brought it up...that seemed to throw you off a bit. But, I'll dumb it down for you since you weren't able to connect the dots.

You say that God doesn't need as many miracles now that his word is, "established", but he, for some reason, seemed to feel the need to perform those miracles...before his word was, in your words, "established."

Why?

Why would God need to perform miracles at all?

I have faith in you, SeattleDip...simple question. Take your time.

[D1B]

Plethora of neurological and psychological explanations for what you and others experience during duress.

Don't mean to be insensitive, but did it ever occur to you that on this issue, your mother is completely full of shit and invented a myth to help her deal with a horrible tragedy? In her mind, a little bit of your brother lives through you, through this story. Never underestimate the power of self-delusion.

I have thought about it. But first time I heard the story I was in bed and over heard her telling it to her long time friend. I wasn't there but my room was in the basement next to the rec room. I think I was 18-19. She didn't tell me the story until I was 26 on his "death" day. It was a conversation about ghosts. Her friend lived in Bethany in a supposed haunted house.

Thanks for the compassion.

Don't vilify me, just asking some questions.

Can't imagine what she went through, but she did well. Sounds like a perfectly healthy delusion. We all have em.

[travelinman67]

I have thought about it. But first time I heard the story I was in bed and over heard her telling it to her long time friend. I wasn't there but my room was in the basement next to the rec room. I think I was 18-19. She didn't tell me the story until I was 26 on his "death" day. It was a conversation about ghosts. Her friend lived in Bethany in a supposed haunted house.

Thanks for the compassion.

Don't vilify me, just asking some questions.

Can't imagine what she went through, but she did well. Sounds like a perfectly healthy delusion. We all have em.

Indeed. We've all witnessed your JJ "debates".

[SeattleGriz]

Here we go again. CluckU with his insight and logical fallcies.

How is Christianity not established in the World? Nevermind it is the majority.

Nobody say a thing. Just watch Cluck paint himself into a corner. This is going to be good.

Yes, you can certainly establish that God's word is established everywhere, no?



And, it was established for almost forever in China, right? Wait...it wasn't. Damn that fact...I probably should not have brought it up...that seemed to throw you off a bit. But, I'll dumb it down for you since you weren't able to connect the dots.

You say that God doesn't need as many miracles now that his word is, "established", but he, for some reason, seemed to feel the need to perform those miracles...before his word was, in your words, "established."

Why?

Why would God need to perform miracles at all?

I have faith in you, SeattleDip...simple question. Take your time.

Ask and ye shall receive. More gold from CluckU. Right off the bat you ignore that I stated Christianity was the majority religion.

How does the fact it isn't very prevalent in China have to do with it's majority across the World? And with that, you have posted a new logical fallacy - the division fallacy. Because Christianity is not very established in China, it isn't established elsewhere.

Can I ask the mods to take that post away from your tally? Better yet, please just stick to the "What are you watching on Youtube" thread.

I answered your question about God and performing miracles in my original post - to show his Authority.

[SeattleGriz]

Taking a cue from Cluck with the ad hominem attack. Are you all hurt now? By the way, you added nothing but attempts to derail the evolution thread. No substance, just your insinuation I was combining God and science. Go back and read the thread and see who provided links to studies and explanations.

As to you "getting it", apparently you don't. The Bible can be used for historical documentation, but to assume, as you have done, that because man wrote down a miracle (in his eyes) is the doings of God...shows you have done no research on the difference between theology and history.

If you weren't so busy parroting the musings of some "flavor of the month" atheist author and actually did some research on the subject, you could be taken seriously. You haven't even been feed milk.

Has it ever occurred to you that we don't see the MAJOR miracles anymore because God and his Word are established? No need to prove anything?

SG, people are eschewing religion in record numbers. According to the latest PEW Research Foundation study, the fastest growing subgroup of the religious are those claiming no religion at all.

This is proof that your god's message is failing to survive in an informed world and in places where people are not compelled to believe under threat of death or torture.

If not for rampant Hispanic overpopulation and the forced conversion of Africans (the third world) to Catholicism (become a catholic and we'll feed you) Christianity would be experiencing a much more precipitous decline.

I wasn't sure you were talking to me at first. I am most familiar with "Seattledumbfuck Griz" when it comes from you.

I have read the same information about the loss of those who believe in religion, but in the same vane as yours, this thread is about our lack of seeing angels and why there aren't anymore major miracles.

[andy7171]

I have thought about it. But first time I heard the story I was in bed and over heard her telling it to her long time friend. I wasn't there but my room was in the basement next to the rec room. I think I was 18-19. She didn't tell me the story until I was 26 on his "death" day. It was a conversation about ghosts. Her friend lived in Bethany in a supposed haunted house.

Thanks for the compassion.

Don't vilify me, just asking some questions.

Can't imagine what she went through, but she did well. Sounds like a perfectly healthy delusion. We all have em.

I'm not vilifying you. I don't remember it. S I said. Say what you want but my mom isn't the greatest catholic. Target who you want. I'm just relaying a story that hits home.

Enjoy beating off tonight.

[YoUDeeMan]

Ask and ye shall receive. More gold from CluckU. Right off the bat you ignore that I stated Christianity was the majority religion.

How does the fact it isn't very prevalent in China have to do with it's majority across the World? And with that, you have posted a new logical fallacy - the division fallacy. Because Christianity is not very established in China, it isn't established elsewhere.

Can I ask the mods to take that post away from your tally? Better yet, please just stick to the "What are you watching on Youtube" thread.

I answered your question about God and performing miracles in my original post - to show his Authority.

You seem to be having difficulty reading and comprehending what I've written through the lens of your ignorance and bias.

But, we'll work through your drivel.

So, if it doesn't matter where Christianity is, "established," since China didn't (or doesn't) or did (or does) not matter, then when and where did it start to matter?

Would it not matter if it were only, "established" in, say, one person? Or, do you have a certain number of people, or a geographical area, that one reaches in order for the Word to reach your, "established" level?

Do you have that number? How about a ballpark idea that we can use as a reference for the rest of this conversation?

Tying your drift back to the theme of miracles happening fewer times, and in smaller events, because, as you and others have argued, those miracles aren't needed as much due to his Word being, "established," does God only perform miracles within the sphere of his established Word, you know, to demonstrate his, "Authority," or does he/did he perform them outside of his, "established"' Word area?

If he didn't perform miracles outside of his, "established" Word area, why not? Miracles would be a good way to, "show his Authority" to the unwashed masses (as demonstrated by God thinking he needed to use them to start his whole Jesus thing).

But, if he did perform miracles outside of his, "established" area, why would he do that without the Wordn being established...or why doesn't he simply, "establish" the JC story, ACT II, in another area...miracles might be confusing without context.

And why would he need to perform miracles to, "show his Authority?"

Do the people who don't see these miracles not have to obey his, "Authority?"

Furthermore, if some people get to see a large, impressive miracle, aren't they being given a leg up regarding the whole idea of faith? What faith does it take if you see a river parted by some guy with a stick before your very eyes? It would seem as if witnessing a humongous miracle is actually counter productive for the individuals involved, because they no longer are working on faith so much as fact. In that regard, and others, God doesn't seem to believe in equal faith opportunity.

But I digress.

Back to your simple minded blather...produce a ballpark figure, land area or number/percentage of population, to affirm your idea of what it takes to make a religion, "established" so that the number and scope of miracles can be reduced.

We'll go from there.

[D1B]

Don't vilify me, just asking some questions.

Can't imagine what she went through, but she did well. Sounds like a perfectly healthy delusion. We all have em.

Indeed. We've all witnessed your JJ "debates".

We sure did. He, like you, relied solely on the invincible ignorance fallacy, among other schoolyard ruses.

The invincible ignorance fallacy is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead being to make assertions with no consideration of objections.

[D1B]

SG, people are eschewing religion in record numbers. According to the latest PEW Research Foundation study, the fastest growing subgroup of the religious are those claiming no religion at all.

This is proof that your god's message is failing to survive in an informed world and in places where people are not compelled to believe under threat of death or torture.

If not for rampant Hispanic overpopulation and the forced conversion of Africans (the third world) to Catholicism (become a catholic and we'll feed you) Christianity would be experiencing a much more precipitous decline.

I wasn't sure you were talking to me at first. I am most familiar with "Seattledumbfuck Griz" when it comes from you.

I have read the same information about the loss of those who believe in religion, but in the same vane as yours, this thread is about our lack of seeing angels and why there aren't anymore major miracles.

My comment specifically addressed your major premise that god's message is so strong and established and is the reason there are no miracles and angels are sitting on their wings.

[D1B]

Don't vilify me, just asking some questions.

Can't imagine what she went through, but she did well. Sounds like a perfectly healthy delusion. We all have em.

I'm not vilifying you. I don't remember it. S I said. Say what you want but my mom isn't the greatest catholic. Target who you want. I'm just relaying a story that hits home.

Enjoy beating off tonight.

Ain't targeting anyone, you pussy. Put another tampon in and take a Pamprin with some warm milk.

Your mothers response to tragedy was and is a common coping mechanism. Some would even consider it healthy.

Fuck you, Jagoff.

[D1B]

Don't vilify me, just asking some questions.

Can't imagine what she went through, but she did well. Sounds like a perfectly healthy delusion. We all have em.

Indeed. We've all witnessed your JJ "debates".

Keep it up Tbag and I'll get houndawg to rip you yet another new asshole. Your butt looks like a slab of swiss cheese. Shit got so bad we all thought you were gonna retire again.

[D1B]

Yes, you can certainly establish that God's word is established everywhere, no?



And, it was established for almost forever in China, right? Wait...it wasn't. Damn that fact...I probably should not have brought it up...that seemed to throw you off a bit. But, I'll dumb it down for you since you weren't able to connect the dots.

You say that God doesn't need as many miracles now that his word is, "established", but he, for some reason, seemed to feel the need to perform those miracles...before his word was, in your words, "established."

Why?

Why would God need to perform miracles at all?

I have faith in you, SeattleDip...simple question. Take your time.

Ask and ye shall receive. More gold from CluckU. Right off the bat you ignore that I stated Christianity was the majority religion.

How does the fact it isn't very prevalent in China have to do with it's majority across the World? And with that, you have posted a new logical fallacy - the division fallacy. Because Christianity is not very established in China, it isn't established elsewhere.
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The fact that Christianity was never established in China is vital. China, at the time of Christ, was an extremely literate and by comparison, an advanced culture. The Jewish myths would have been subject to a much more critical analysis and summarily discarded as the ignorant, contradictory ramblings of idiots, kinda like what is happening now that we're not killed for saying it.

The message would have died in china just like it's dying today.

That abhorrent dogma could only gain a foothold in the world's greatest ignorant shithole which was and still is the Middle East.

[CID1990]

Have any of you guys convinced the other yet?

[kalm]

I've never seen nor heard of anything close to an angel or miracle. I'm not opposed to the idea, but just like many other things regarding god, if she exists, she has some splainin' to do.

[Grizalltheway]

Have any of you guys convinced the other yet?

Stay tuned. A major breakthrough is surely around the corner.

[D1B]

Have any of you guys convinced the other yet?

I convinced you when we were on DuPont Circle.

BTW, thanks much and what was our bar tab?

[D1B]

I've never seen nor heard of anything close to an angel or miracle. I'm not opposed to the idea, but just like many other things regarding god, if she exists, she has some splainin' to do.

It was a miracle cap'n cat survived his ruptured aorta. Where Tbag and Joltin Joe would give all the credit to Jesus, the angels were the ambulance drivers who drove 100 mph in the snow (thanks to modern automobile engineering) and the extreme skill of the surgeons who were trained in the secular temples of learning.

If religion still held power like they did in the Middle Ages, he'd be dead.

Critical thinking and science bring us closer to god.

[andy7171]

D1B taking hits from all flanks. I'm tired see you in the morning. Asshole.

[D1B]

D1B taking hits from all flanks. I'm tired see you in the morning. Asshole.

Have a good night, whack job. Tell all your ghosts I said hello and to visit my blog.

[JoltinJoe]

Wrong. I believe in the miraculous. I believe there is a god.

This thread is about the scarcity of angels and the dearth of great miracles coming from the Christian god.

This ^

I see you are going to rely on your complete mischaracterization of what I wrote earlier, and avoid any further discussion concerning what I actually said.