The 800-lb Gorilla in the room.

[Baldy]

Really???



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OK...lemme get this straight. Obama campaigns in 2008 that he will end the war in Iraq. Takes ALL of the credit for ending the war when he campaigns for reelection in 2012. In 2014 when the shit hits the fan and ISIS takes over the country and kills untold thousands, it's Bush's fault because Obama couldn't negotiate a new status of forces agreement?

I love watching GATW bending himself into a pretzel every time he tries to protect Obama.

[YoUDeeMan]

Really???



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You're missing a few big points.

OBOMBa tried to take credit for the exit...after he desperately tried to stay, but was kicked out. Obama is a liar...once of the biggest we've ever had in office.

But Obushma wasn't staying for the good of the Iraqi people...no indeed. Obama wanted to stay for the smae reason he wants to stay in Afghanistan. CHANGE...

In addition, it was Obama who decided to assist in the attempted overthrow of Assad in order to destabilize the region (just as Obama decided to assist with the overthrow of Qadoofy). ISIS may have started in Iraq, but it was the fighting in Syria (thanks Obama), and the weapons being plowed into the region with our assistance (oh, yes indeed...thanks Obama), that allowed ISIS to grow into what it is now.

[AZGrizFan]

Americans (and to a much lesser extent, America) have this sad, misguided notion that you can fight a war "honorably"...thus this little document called the Geneva Convention that was developed that laid out the "rules" for handling prisoners of war and civilians in war zones. Unfortunately, the concepts included in the Geneva Convention were almost immediately ignored by the rest of the world, and only followed by the U.S. (until recently). We can't fight wars with one hand tied behind our backs, and the enemy knows that.

Why don't we stoop to their level and start beheading captives and targeting civilians then?

Well we should do one of two things:

a) GTFO and let them sink in their own filth; or
b) Fight by the same set of rules THEY fight by

Can't have it any other way and have any HOPE of winning. Then again, is there truly any desire to "win" anything with our government?

[Ibanez]

Why don't we stoop to their level and start beheading captives and targeting civilians then?

Well we should do one of two things:

a) GTFO and let them sink in their own filth; or
b) Fight by the same set of rules THEY fight by

Can't have it any other way and have any HOPE of winning. Then again, is there truly any desire to "win" anything with our government?

If anyone expects our country to fight a "total war" they are delusional. I'm all for it. If they want to bomb and behead civilians, then let's take off the gloves.

[AZGrizFan]

Well we should do one of two things:

a) GTFO and let them sink in their own filth; or
b) Fight by the same set of rules THEY fight by

Can't have it any other way and have any HOPE of winning. Then again, is there truly any desire to "win" anything with our government?

If anyone expects our country to fight a "total war" they are delusional. I'm all for it. If they want to bomb and behead civilians, then let's take off the gloves.

If you think I meant "total war" by my "desire to win" comment, you're mistaken. What I meant by that was that I don't think we are fighting to "win" anything....the fighting is a means to an end for the government...it's not to "defeat" terrorism".

And we'll never overtly take off the gloves. Of that you can be sure. And therein lies the problem...

[dbackjon]

Why, because he carried out Bush's agreement withdraw combat troops at the end of 2011, allowing ISIS to fill the void?

Really???

“After taking office, I announced a new strategy that would end our combat mission in Iraq and remove all of our troops by the end of 2011,” he said. “So today, I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year.”

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So in your fucked up world view, typical of neo cons, your boys start a war on lies, destroy a nation, kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, kill or maim tens of thousands of American Soldiers, cost the nation TRILLIONS of dollars, but it is the guy who has to clean up your mess's fault?


Damn, you are too fucking stupid to vote. No wonder America got so fucked up

[89Hen]

So in your fucked up world view..

You do make me laugh from time to time.

[Ibanez]

If anyone expects our country to fight a "total war" they are delusional. I'm all for it. If they want to bomb and behead civilians, then let's take off the gloves.

If you think I meant "total war" by my "desire to win" comment, you're mistaken. What I meant by that was that I don't think we are fighting to "win" anything....the fighting is a means to an end for the government...it's not to "defeat" terrorism".

And we'll never overtly take off the gloves. Of that you can be sure. And therein lies the problem...

I didn't mistake you. I'm actually agreeing with you. We won't do what's necessary to win. But it's not easy defeating an ideology. I don't think you can truly claim Nazism b/c those people were looking for direction and a savior and they'd accept anyone who offered them salvation. Sure, there were hardcore Nazis, but the majority of the population went along b/c they did bring stability and prosperity to the country.

Well, not if you were Jewish, Catholic, a gypsy, gay, etc.... But you get my drift.

[Bronco]

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Totally against any Americans loosing their life for a country that allows again Dems to throw away victory in a hard fought war

[Bronco]

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Did King Putt
Really say this?

Obama Outraged Over Beheading, Vows to Stay on Course

Worcester News-Telegram ^ | 8-21-2014 | Michael D. Shear & Julie Hirschfeld Davis

[Baldy]

Really???



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So in your fucked up world view, typical of neo cons, your boys start a war on lies, destroy a nation, kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, kill or maim tens of thousands of American Soldiers, cost the nation TRILLIONS of dollars, but it is the guy who has to clean up your mess's fault?


Damn, you are too fucking stupid to vote. No wonder America got so fucked up

You go girl....

Gotdam jon, if you weren't such a flaming drama queen, I'd might be a little impressed.

The fact is, Comrade Obama spiked the football and declared victory. He even said the last troop who crosses the Iraq border on the way out can hold his head up high.

Your ignorant opinion aside about what happened in 2003..... Bush won the war, all your boy had to do was manage the peace. He failed and in order to win reelection, pulled out the troops too fast and failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement. The Obama vacuum is what brought in ISIS, and how the clown in chief is having to drop bombs from 30,000 feet because his mouth wrote checks his lack of character and conviction couldn't cash. Every single drop of blood shed by ISIS in Syria and Iraq is clearly on Obama's hands. Congrats!!

[Ivytalk]

Really???



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSTnaSqP-KE[/youtube]

So in your **** up world view, typical of neo cons, your boys start a war on lies, destroy a nation, kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, kill or maim tens of thousands of American Soldiers, cost the nation TRILLIONS of dollars, but it is the guy who has to clean up your mess's fault?


Damn, you are too **** stupid to vote. No wonder America got so **** up

Typical dback understated, nuanced response. You never know where the sumbitch stands.

[dbackjon]

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Totally against any Americans loosing their life for a country that allows again Dems to throw away victory in a hard fought war

I don't think Victory means what you think it does.


Victory was never possible. Are you saying we should keep 250,000 troops in Iraq forever?



God damn you conks are stupid

[dbackjon]

So in your **** up world view, typical of neo cons, your boys start a war on lies, destroy a nation, kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, kill or maim tens of thousands of American Soldiers, cost the nation TRILLIONS of dollars, but it is the guy who has to clean up your mess's fault?


Damn, you are too **** stupid to vote. No wonder America got so **** up

Typical dback understated, nuanced response. You never know where the sumbitch stands.

sorry for being so vague

[dbackjon]

So in your fucked up world view, typical of neo cons, your boys start a war on lies, destroy a nation, kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, kill or maim tens of thousands of American Soldiers, cost the nation TRILLIONS of dollars, but it is the guy who has to clean up your mess's fault?


Damn, you are too fucking stupid to vote. No wonder America got so fucked up

You go girl....

Gotdam jon, if you weren't such a flaming drama queen, I'd might be a little impressed.

The fact is, Comrade Obama spiked the football and declared victory. He even said the last troop who crosses the Iraq border on the way out can hold his head up high.

Your ignorant opinion aside about what happened in 2003..... Bush won the war, all your boy had to do was manage the peace. He failed and in order to win reelection, pulled out the troops too fast and failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement. The Obama vacuum is what brought in ISIS, and how the clown in chief is having to drop bombs from 30,000 feet because his mouth wrote checks his lack of character and conviction couldn't cash. Every single drop of blood shed by ISIS in Syria and Iraq is clearly on Obama's hands. Congrats!!

My response to Bronco goes for you as well.


Every drop of blood is on BUSH/CHENEY etc for starting the damn war in the first place.

[Ivytalk]

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Totally against any Americans loosing their life for a country that allows again Dems to throw away victory in a hard fought war

I don't think Victory means what you think it does.


Victory was never possible. Are you saying we should keep 250,000 troops in Iraq forever?



God damn you conks are stupid

What's wrong with turning the whole ISIS territory into asphalt? Think of the perks for our construction industry.

[AZGrizFan]

If you think I meant "total war" by my "desire to win" comment, you're mistaken. What I meant by that was that I don't think we are fighting to "win" anything....the fighting is a means to an end for the government...it's not to "defeat" terrorism".

And we'll never overtly take off the gloves. Of that you can be sure. And therein lies the problem...

I didn't mistake you. I'm actually agreeing with you. We won't do what's necessary to win. But it's not easy defeating an ideology. I don't think you can truly claim Nazism b/c those people were looking for direction and a savior and they'd accept anyone who offered them salvation. Sure, there were hardcore Nazis, but the majority of the population went along b/c they did bring stability and prosperity to the country.

Well, not if you were Jewish, Catholic, a gypsy, gay, etc.... But you get my drift.

But it's not that we WON'T do what's necessary to win, it's that that is simply not our objective.

[D1B]

Baldy gets his dumb ass kicked again.


No one calling out the real 800 pound gorilla- religion. Theses fucking idiots will be fighting and fucked as long as religion is primary.

[D1B]

If you think I meant "total war" by my "desire to win" comment, you're mistaken. What I meant by that was that I don't think we are fighting to "win" anything....the fighting is a means to an end for the government...it's not to "defeat" terrorism".

And we'll never overtly take off the gloves. Of that you can be sure. And therein lies the problem...

I didn't mistake you. I'm actually agreeing with you. We won't do what's necessary to win. But it's not easy defeating an ideology. I don't think you can truly claim Nazism b/c those people were looking for direction and a savior and they'd accept anyone who offered them salvation. Sure, there were hardcore Nazis, but the majority of the population went along b/c they did bring stability and prosperity to the country.

Well, not if you were Jewish, Catholic, a gypsy, gay, etc.... But you get my drift.

Hey, dumbfuck, Catholics were one of the few groups who profited from hitler and fascism. Try doing some research that was not sanitized by church, you fucking idiot.

[Baldy]

You go girl....

Gotdam jon, if you weren't such a flaming drama queen, I'd might be a little impressed.

The fact is, Comrade Obama spiked the football and declared victory. He even said the last troop who crosses the Iraq border on the way out can hold his head up high.

Your ignorant opinion aside about what happened in 2003..... Bush won the war, all your boy had to do was manage the peace. He failed and in order to win reelection, pulled out the troops too fast and failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement. The Obama vacuum is what brought in ISIS, and how the clown in chief is having to drop bombs from 30,000 feet because his mouth wrote checks his lack of character and conviction couldn't cash. Every single drop of blood shed by ISIS in Syria and Iraq is clearly on Obama's hands. Congrats!!

My response to Bronco goes for you as well.


Every drop of blood is on BUSH/CHENEY etc for starting the damn war in the first place.

"the damn war" was over. Obama declared victory, spiked the football, did his Urkel touchdown dance, withdrew every single troop and everything....

He's drowning in blood now because he FUCKED UP the peace in Iraq and FUCKED UP the civil war in Syria.

[Bronco]

So you feel the same way about Hillary voting for the war?

[Baldy]

Baldy gets his dumb ass kicked again.


No one calling out the real 800 pound gorilla- religion. Theses fucking idiots will be fighting and fucked as long as religion is primary.

In rides the Chartreuse Knight on his rented mule only to get his retarded ass handed to him again.

[Ibanez]

You go girl....

Gotdam jon, if you weren't such a flaming drama queen, I'd might be a little impressed.

The fact is, Comrade Obama spiked the football and declared victory. He even said the last troop who crosses the Iraq border on the way out can hold his head up high.

Your ignorant opinion aside about what happened in 2003..... Bush won the war, all your boy had to do was manage the peace. He failed and in order to win reelection, pulled out the troops too fast and failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement. The Obama vacuum is what brought in ISIS, and how the clown in chief is having to drop bombs from 30,000 feet because his mouth wrote checks his lack of character and conviction couldn't cash. Every single drop of blood shed by ISIS in Syria and Iraq is clearly on Obama's hands. Congrats!!

My response to Bronco goes for you as well.


Every drop of blood is on BUSH/CHENEY etc for starting the damn war in the first place.

wrong. Just wrong.

[dbackjon]

My response to Bronco goes for you as well.


Every drop of blood is on BUSH/CHENEY etc for starting the damn war in the first place.

wrong. Just wrong.

Nope - how would you have prevented ISIS? How many Americans would need to be stationed in Iraq and Syria?

How many would die.


Jesus FC.

[D1B]

Baldy gets his dumb ass kicked again.


No one calling out the real 800 pound gorilla- religion. Theses fucking idiots will be fighting and fucked as long as religion is primary.

In rides the Chartreuse Knight on his rented mule only to get his retarded ass handed to him again.

Yeah, great reply. Still enjoying seeing you get pummeled by Dback, you dumb racist fuck.