Just kill the snake

[Ivytalk]

And what would George H.W. Bush do?

Ignore JSO, he is trolling for a response. Too lame of an attempt to even give him credit for trying.

And you're shamelessly trolling for JSO, 86. Call a spade a spade. You used to be above this.

But you're funnier now.

[ASUG8]

Messing with the Muslim extremists is like playing whack a mole. We can beat down Al Quaeda, then the Taliban, now ISIS....but it simply never stops. We don't have enough bombs to make these people go away. When you have a group of people whose end goal is the death of everyone who isn't like them (and loads of people to step into the shoes of those you've killed) there is no good solution. Wiki says there are 1.6B of them out there, most of which practice their religion peacefully. The problem is that they don't or can't self police their lunatic fringe which casts all of them in a bad light.

[Ibanez]

Messing with the Muslim extremists is like playing whack a mole. We can beat down Al Quaeda, then the Taliban, now ISIS....but it simply never stops. We don't have enough bombs to make these people go away. When you have a group of people whose end goal is the death of everyone who isn't like them (and loads of people to step into the shoes of those you've killed) there is no good solution. Wiki says there are 1.6B of them out there, most of which practice their religion peacefully. The problem is that they don't or can't self police their lunatic fringe which casts all of them in a bad light.

But JSO all of Islam (and inferring followers of Islam) are evil and should be eliminated.

[ChickenMan]

Because what ISIS represents is a threat to Western Civilization. If you think we can just ignore it and let it grow and never have to worry about it you are really deluding yourself.

[ASUG8]

Messing with the Muslim extremists is like playing whack a mole. We can beat down Al Quaeda, then the Taliban, now ISIS....but it simply never stops. We don't have enough bombs to make these people go away. When you have a group of people whose end goal is the death of everyone who isn't like them (and loads of people to step into the shoes of those you've killed) there is no good solution. Wiki says there are 1.6B of them out there, most of which practice their religion peacefully. The problem is that they don't or can't self police their lunatic fringe which casts all of them in a bad light.

But JSO all of Islam (and inferring followers of Islam) are evil and should be eliminated.

A lot of them are evil and should be eliminated, but I'm not sure when we became the honorary firing squad. Post 9/11 we should have turned Mecca into a glass factory and annexed it as the 51st state, but we opted to pick on the little Iraqi kid on the block instead.

[UNI88]

Do you not understand that Islam is not going to stop until it is stopped? Do you REALLY think it can be ignored as though it is "somebody else's problem?'

Good GRIEF.

Johnny, it isn't that simple. You need to ask yourself:

- What are the possible unintended consequences of bombing ISIS? Could it possibly make the US even more of the "Great Satan" to the Muslim world and help rally young ideologues to ISIS' and other terrorist groups' causes?

- What are the possible outcomes if we don't bomb them? Will the Iranian Shiites sit around and let them wipe out the Iraqi Shiites? If Iran steps in, what do Saudi Arabia and other Sunni nations do? Could this be the beginning of a Muslim civil war?

Foreign relations is complicated. They're playing 3 dimensional chess and you're looking at it like it's a checkerboard and recommending a move.

So good grief right back at ya Charlie Brown.

[ASUG8]

Do you not understand that Islam is not going to stop until it is stopped? Do you REALLY think it can be ignored as though it is "somebody else's problem?'

Good GRIEF.

Johnny, it isn't that simple. You need to ask yourself:

- What are the possible unintended consequences of bombing ISIS? Could it possibly make the US even more of the "Great Satan" to the Muslim world and help rally young ideologues to ISIS' and other terrorist groups' causes?

- What are the possible outcomes if we don't bomb them? Will the Iranian Shiites sit around and let them wipe out the Iraqi Shiites? If Iran steps in, what do Saudi Arabia and other Sunni nations do? Could this be the beginning of a Muslim civil war?

Foreign relations is complicated. They're playing 3 dimensional chess and you're looking at it like it's a checkerboard and recommending a move.

So good grief right back at ya Charlie Brown.

True. There's no good option anywhere in the Middle East. We need to withdraw, retrench, and develop our own natural resources so we don't have to even play around in that sandbox.

[Wedgebuster]

Freedom from religion, now that is a cause worth fighting for on the world wide stage, just Imagine the level of liberty that simple concept would invoke.

[clenz]

I can't believe JSO wants to get rid of a religion that is all for marrying 6 year olds and fucking 9 year olds...

[Ibanez]

I can't believe JSO wants to get rid of a religion that is all for marrying 6 year olds and fucking 9 year olds...

[Ivytalk]

Because what ISIS represents is a threat to Western Civilization. If you think we can just ignore it and let it grow and never have to worry about it you are really deluding yourself.

Classic! Neville Soetoro!

[JohnStOnge]

So many posts I'll just try to cover it all. I normally try not to get personal, but there are a lot of fools on this board. We are in a war and have been for a long time. We are in a war whether we think so or not because there is an "entity" at war with us. It may be difficult to clearly define at times but it is there. We can call it Islam or we can be more specific and call it radical Islam but it is there. We were at war on September 10, 2001; though we were oblivious to it.

We are in a war with an enemy that has patience. It thinks in terms of millennia while we have the attention span of a dust mite. Obama is at fault with respect to the current situation because of his "get out and end the war at any cost" mentality. But his mentality is shared by the majority of the American people. I posted many years ago when we went into Iraq that it would be foolish to look at it as something that had to have an end date. Thinking in terms of "end dates" or making sure that military actions are short is a mistake with this enemy. They count on that kind of behavior from us.

And this thing of thinking that we make things worse by taking steps to suppress the enemy is going to recruit additional Jihadists is asinine. Ridiculous. It's not going to go away or become less dangerous by virtue of being left alone. It's going to grow and expand unopposed.

Also, you are an idiot if you doubt that what ISIS represents is a threat to Western Civilization over the long terms. It is. It doesn't have to be capable of militarily conquering the world right now in order to be that. It is a persistent, patient enemy. All it needs is to be able to survive and grow. And it's doing that. It has all the time in the world.

And we in the West are fools for standing by and letting it grow.

[houndawg]

So many posts I'll just try to cover it all. I normally try not to get personal, but there are a lot of fools on this board. We are in a war and have been for a long time. We are in a war whether we think so or not because there is an "entity" at war with us. It may be difficult to clearly define at times but it is there. We can call it Islam or we can be more specific and call it radical Islam but it is there. We were at war on September 10, 2001; though we were oblivious to it.

We are in a war with an enemy that has patience. It thinks in terms of millennia while we have the attention span of a dust mite. Obama is at fault with respect to the current situation because of his "get out and end the war at any cost" mentality. But his mentality is shared by the majority of the American people. I posted many years ago when we went into Iraq that it would be foolish to look at it as something that had to have an end date. Thinking in terms of "end dates" or making sure that military actions are short is a mistake with this enemy. They count on that kind of behavior from us.

And this thing of thinking that we make things worse by taking steps to suppress the enemy is going to recruit additional Jihadists is asinine. Ridiculous. It's not going to go away or become less dangerous by virtue of being left alone. It's going to grow and expand unopposed.

Also, you are an idiot if you doubt that what ISIS represents is a threat to Western Civilization over the long terms. It is. It doesn't have to be capable of militarily conquering the world right now in order to be that. It is a persistent, patient enemy. All it needs is to be able to survive and grow. And it's doing that. It has all the time in the world.

And we in the West are fools for standing by and letting it grow.

We're going broke from never-ending wars on everything and Johnny wants to spend more money on war. Tell us more about small government John, and how they should stay out of everything except fixing the roads.

[CID1990]

So many posts I'll just try to cover it all. I normally try not to get personal, but there are a lot of fools on this board. We are in a war and have been for a long time. We are in a war whether we think so or not because there is an "entity" at war with us. It may be difficult to clearly define at times but it is there. We can call it Islam or we can be more specific and call it radical Islam but it is there. We were at war on September 10, 2001; though we were oblivious to it.

We are in a war with an enemy that has patience. It thinks in terms of millennia while we have the attention span of a dust mite. Obama is at fault with respect to the current situation because of his "get out and end the war at any cost" mentality. But his mentality is shared by the majority of the American people. I posted many years ago when we went into Iraq that it would be foolish to look at it as something that had to have an end date. Thinking in terms of "end dates" or making sure that military actions are short is a mistake with this enemy. They count on that kind of behavior from us.

And this thing of thinking that we make things worse by taking steps to suppress the enemy is going to recruit additional Jihadists is asinine. Ridiculous. It's not going to go away or become less dangerous by virtue of being left alone. It's going to grow and expand unopposed.

Also, you are an idiot if you doubt that what ISIS represents is a threat to Western Civilization over the long terms. It is. It doesn't have to be capable of militarily conquering the world right now in order to be that. It is a persistent, patient enemy. All it needs is to be able to survive and grow. And it's doing that. It has all the time in the world.

And we in the West are fools for standing by and letting it grow.

We're going broke from never-ending wars on everything and Johnny wants to spend more money on war. Tell us more about small government John, and how they should stay out of everything except fixing the roads.

straw man

Point out any conservative that says defense isnt an appropriate function of government

[kalm]

So many posts I'll just try to cover it all. I normally try not to get personal, but there are a lot of fools on this board. We are in a war and have been for a long time. We are in a war whether we think so or not because there is an "entity" at war with us. It may be difficult to clearly define at times but it is there. We can call it Islam or we can be more specific and call it radical Islam but it is there. We were at war on September 10, 2001; though we were oblivious to it.

We are in a war with an enemy that has patience. It thinks in terms of millennia while we have the attention span of a dust mite. Obama is at fault with respect to the current situation because of his "get out and end the war at any cost" mentality. But his mentality is shared by the majority of the American people. I posted many years ago when we went into Iraq that it would be foolish to look at it as something that had to have an end date. Thinking in terms of "end dates" or making sure that military actions are short is a mistake with this enemy. They count on that kind of behavior from us.

And this thing of thinking that we make things worse by taking steps to suppress the enemy is going to recruit additional Jihadists is asinine. Ridiculous. It's not going to go away or become less dangerous by virtue of being left alone. It's going to grow and expand unopposed.

Also, you are an idiot if you doubt that what ISIS represents is a threat to Western Civilization over the long terms. It is. It doesn't have to be capable of militarily conquering the world right now in order to be that. It is a persistent, patient enemy. All it needs is to be able to survive and grow. And it's doing that. It has all the time in the world.

And we in the West are fools for standing by and letting it grow.

Resorting to name calling weakens your argument. So you think ISIS is a threat? You do realize they are part of the resistance to Assad, right? That bastion of liberty? Are the Sunni's and Shiite's going to unite in this long war to over throw the West?

[JoltinJoe]

My guess is that he would leave Saddam in power. Oh wait, I don't have to guess.

Not sure what you mean Are you saying you think that was a bad idea?

Because, in retrospect, that seems like it was a prudent decision.

[Skjellyfetti]

Obama is at fault with respect to the current situation because of his "get out and end the war at any cost" mentality.

When Obama got out of Iraq - conks shrugged their shoulders and said "meh. he's just following the timetable agreed to by Bush and the Iraqi government before he came to office."

Now it was like Obama came into office and totally reversed all policy on Iraq.

Which is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80 ... _Agreement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Skjellyfetti]

Not sure what you mean Are you saying you think that was a bad idea?

Because, in retrospect, that seems like it was a prudent decision.

Leaving Saddam in power... or Biden's partitioning do seem like they would have been the best plans in retrospect.

[AZGrizFan]

Obama is at fault with respect to the current situation because of his "get out and end the war at any cost" mentality.

When Obama got out of Iraq - conks shrugged their shoulders and said "meh. he's just following the timetable agreed to by Bush and the Iraqi government before he came to office."

Now it was like Obama came into office and totally reversed all policy on Iraq.

Which is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80 ... _Agreement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The day that idiot puppet president of Iraq said he didn't want US troops there was the day I said "meh".

[houndawg]

We're going broke from never-ending wars on everything and Johnny wants to spend more money on war. Tell us more about small government John, and how they should stay out of everything except fixing the roads.

straw man

Point out any conservative that says defense isnt an appropriate function of government

Straw man. The issue is how much they want to spend., not whether its an appropriate function of government. Point out any conservative interested in reducing spending in the defense sector.

[andy7171]

Obama and Assad are poker buddies

#socialistmuslinantichrist

DSUrocks is becoming one of my favorite posters.

He is a true independent. I applaud him.

[BlueHen86]

My guess is that he would leave Saddam in power. Oh wait, I don't have to guess.

Not sure what you mean Are you saying you think that was a bad idea?

Because, in retrospect, that seems like it was a prudent decision.

Not what I was saying at all. It was the correct decision.

JSO was claiming the H.W. would have gone all out to destroy ISIS. I'm not sure about that.

[BlueHen86]

Ignore JSO, he is trolling for a response. Too lame of an attempt to even give him credit for trying.

And you're shamelessly trolling for JSO, 86. Call a spade a spade. You used to be above this.

But you're funnier now.

Actually, I was drunk. Long weekend, stated drinking around 4 on Thursday. Feeling pretty good by the time this thread popped up.

[DSUrocks07]

So many posts I'll just try to cover it all. I normally try not to get personal, but there are a lot of fools on this board. We are in a war and have been for a long time. We are in a war whether we think so or not because there is an "entity" at war with us. It may be difficult to clearly define at times but it is there. We can call it Islam or we can be more specific and call it radical Islam but it is there. We were at war on September 10, 2001; though we were oblivious to it.

We are in a war with an enemy that has patience. It thinks in terms of millennia while we have the attention span of a dust mite. Obama is at fault with respect to the current situation because of his "get out and end the war at any cost" mentality. But his mentality is shared by the majority of the American people. I posted many years ago when we went into Iraq that it would be foolish to look at it as something that had to have an end date. Thinking in terms of "end dates" or making sure that military actions are short is a mistake with this enemy. They count on that kind of behavior from us.

And this thing of thinking that we make things worse by taking steps to suppress the enemy is going to recruit additional Jihadists is asinine. Ridiculous. It's not going to go away or become less dangerous by virtue of being left alone. It's going to grow and expand unopposed.

Also, you are an idiot if you doubt that what ISIS represents is a threat to Western Civilization over the long terms. It is. It doesn't have to be capable of militarily conquering the world right now in order to be that. It is a persistent, patient enemy. All it needs is to be able to survive and grow. And it's doing that. It has all the time in the world.

And we in the West are fools for standing by and letting it grow.

You say that the enemy thinks in terms of millenia, yet this (Islamic fundamentalist terrorism) has only recently become a pertinent issue. This eternal struggle of Islam and Christianity has been going on LONG before the existence of the "new world". You say that we've been sitting idly by and letting it happen, yet by your own words it is an eternal struggle so there are no victors, just constant warfare. Are we supposed to constantly bomb and invade and bomb and invade and bomb and invade for what purpose? What is the end game? Several conservative groups talk about indoctrination and how its "wrong". Interesting isn't it?

Just call it what it is and what it the ultimate Christian extremist desire. Using the US and its military to pacify and destroy Islam so that Christianity will always be THE religion. The "right" one. What religious group do we go after next? Buddists?

[DSUrocks07]

Messing with the Muslim extremists is like playing whack a mole. We can beat down Al Quaeda, then the Taliban, now ISIS....but it simply never stops. We don't have enough bombs to make these people go away. When you have a group of people whose end goal is the death of everyone who isn't like them (and loads of people to step into the shoes of those you've killed) there is no good solution. Wiki says there are 1.6B of them out there, most of which practice their religion peacefully. The problem is that they don't or can't self police their lunatic fringe which casts all of them in a bad light.

*cough*teaparty*cough*