POLL: Your Religious affiliation...

[89Hen]

Blue laws. That's it. Archaic and disappearing. Where are the 5-10 I asked for?

He could provide 5-10, and you'd ask for 10-20, you obstinate SOB.

Haven't gotten past 1. Should have taken 30 seconds since there are so many examples.

[houndawg]

He could provide 5-10, and you'd ask for 10-20, you obstinate SOB.

Haven't gotten past 1. Should have taken 30 seconds since there are so many examples.

There are thousands of blue laws, each one an attempt to impose the values of the dominant superstition.

[D1B]

Haven't gotten past 1. Should have taken 30 seconds since there are so many examples.

There are thousands of blue laws, each one an attempt to impose the values of the dominant superstition.

Hen don't know much about laws.

[89Hen]

Haven't gotten past 1. Should have taken 30 seconds since there are so many examples.

There are thousands of blue laws, each one an attempt to impose the values of the dominant superstition.

Any state law then counts as 50. Please. This shouldn't be hard to show other examples beyond blue laws. :

[D1B]

There are thousands of blue laws, each one an attempt to impose the values of the dominant superstition.

Any state law then counts as 50. Please. This shouldn't be hard to show other examples beyond blue laws. :

Sorry Hen, you lost this one.

[89Hen]

Any state law then counts as 50. Please. This shouldn't be hard to show other examples beyond blue laws. :

Sorry Hen, you lost this one.

Meh, I wouldn't expect any different reply from the bully brothers and their sidekick houndawg.

[D1B]

Sorry Hen, you lost this one.

Meh, I wouldn't expect any different reply from the bully brothers and their sidekick houndawg.

You lost. Sorry. No bullying here, you just don't have anything.


You interested in a list of religious orgs breaking existing laws and government orgs allowing it?

[89Hen]

Meh, I wouldn't expect any different reply from the bully brothers and their sidekick houndawg.

You lost. Sorry. No bullying here, you just don't have anything.


You interested in a list of religious orgs breaking existing laws and government orgs allowing it?

I'd rather have list of how religion "works its way into our government so much".

[D1B]

You lost. Sorry. No bullying here, you just don't have anything.


You interested in a list of religious orgs breaking existing laws and government orgs allowing it?

I'd rather have list of how religion "works its way into our government so much".

Just offered it. Do you want to see it?

BTW, anyone here who pays property taxes is forced to support your dumb fucking cult. How's that for working its way into government and affecting everyone?

Want more examples? Want numbers on how much your cult's tax exempt status costs taxpayers and limits state, local and federal governments' ability to provide basic services?

Wanna see how the government has exempted priests from mandatory reporting of child abuse and child sexual abuse?

How bout how the laws in Iran, Saudi Arabia and other theocracies impact our lives?

What about the billions we give to the state of Israel and costs to defend them?

Wanna talk about the Catholic Church spending millions to ensure Dback doesn't have equal rights?

Wanna go back in history and talk about treaties with Hitler and Mussolini? Those travesties are partially responsible for killing my grandfather.

How about the Christian support for slavery for several hundred years? This is still affecting us, and will for generations.

What's next Hen?

[89Hen]

I'd rather have list of how religion "works its way into our government so much".

Just offered it. Do you want to see it?

BTW, anyone here who pays property taxes is forced to support your dumb fucking cult. How's that for working its way into government and affecting everyone?

Want more examples? Want numbers on how much your cult's tax exempt status costs taxpayers and limits state, local and federal governments' ability to provide basic services?

Wanna see how the government has exempted priests from mandatory reporting of child abuse and child sexual abuse?

How bout how the laws in Iran, Saudi Arabia and other theocracies impact our lives?

What about the billions we give to the state of Israel and costs to defend them?

Wanna talk about the Catholic Church spending millions to ensure Dback doesn't have equal rights?

Wanna go back in history and talk about treaties with Hitler and Mussolini? Those travesties are partially responsible for killing my grandfather.

How about the Christian support for slavery for several hundred years? This is still affecting us, and will for generations.

What's next Hen?

How about something relevant to the question?

[kalm]

Just offered it. Do you want to see it?

BTW, anyone here who pays property taxes is forced to support your dumb fucking cult. How's that for working its way into government and affecting everyone?

Want more examples? Want numbers on how much your cult's tax exempt status costs taxpayers and limits state, local and federal governments' ability to provide basic services?

Wanna see how the government has exempted priests from mandatory reporting of child abuse and child sexual abuse?

How bout how the laws in Iran, Saudi Arabia and other theocracies impact our lives?

What about the billions we give to the state of Israel and costs to defend them?

Wanna talk about the Catholic Church spending millions to ensure Dback doesn't have equal rights?

Wanna go back in history and talk about treaties with Hitler and Mussolini? Those travesties are partially responsible for killing my grandfather.

How about the Christian support for slavery for several hundred years? This is still affecting us, and will for generations.

What's next Hen?

How about something relevant to the question?

The Israel one is spot on. So is tax exemption.

[89Hen]

The Israel one is spot on. So is tax exemption.

Our support of Israel has to do with religion in this country? I don't think that's the case.

Tax exemption? Are churches the only tax exempt organizations in this country?

[kalm]

The Israel one is spot on. So is tax exemption.

Our support of Israel has to do with religion in this country? I don't think that's the case.

Tax exemption? Are churches the only tax exempt organizations in this country?

There are more than a few fundies in government who subscribe to end times theology.

Churches aren't the only non-profits, so?

[89Hen]

Our support of Israel has to do with religion in this country? I don't think that's the case.

Tax exemption? Are churches the only tax exempt organizations in this country?

There are more than a few fundies in government who subscribe to end times theology.

Churches aren't the only non-profits, so?

So, the only way you could make a case where religion worked it's way into the government if they were the only group that was tax exempt. The rules weren't specifically made for them, they're just adhering to them.

No idea where you're going with the Israel thing now.

[kalm]

There are more than a few fundies in government who subscribe to end times theology.

Churches aren't the only non-profits, so?

So, the only way you could make a case where religion worked it's way into the government if they were the only group that was tax exempt. The rules weren't specifically made for them, they're just adhering to them.

No idea where you're going with the Israel thing now.

1). I'm sure churches had nothing to do with creating or maintaining their tax status.

2). You've never heard of Christian Zionism?

[VictorG]

Baptized and confirmed Lutheran.

Now I'm somewhere between Wanna be (but I'm not necessarily searching for a "religion") and agnostic (but I don't think discussing it is futile, rather I like discussing religion quite a bit).

Like D, I find pantheism and all the nature based religions that fit under pantheism's umbrella very interesting

Same here, Lutheran then too hung over from my teenage years till mid 30's on Sunday morning to go to church.......Now, searching but I believe all the major religions are actually intertwined and part of each other.....I like some of the youth oriented churches they have in larger metro area's but unfortunately, none around here.

I like a religion that makes you aware of the "bad" but rejoices in the good and teaches love, respect and indulgence. There is no more room in my life for people or organizations that preach fear and hate. I've had enough of that!


BTW Church of Polson Griz is NOT a major religion for this discussion.......But I DO like their communion!

[89Hen]

So, the only way you could make a case where religion worked it's way into the government if they were the only group that was tax exempt. The rules weren't specifically made for them, they're just adhering to them.

No idea where you're going with the Israel thing now.

1). I'm sure churches had nothing to do with creating or maintaining their tax status.

2). You've never heard of Christian Zionism?

I'm pretty sure every tax exempt group tries to maintain their tax status. Groups that fall into 501's:

501(c)(2) Title holding corporations,
501(c)(3) Corporations, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports, or prevention of cruelty for children or animals
501(c)(4) Civic leagues, social welfare organizations,
501(c)(5) Labor, agricultural, or horticultural organizations,
501(c)(6) Business leagues, chambers of commerce, etc.,
501(c)(7) Social clubs,
501(c)(8) Fraternal beneficiary societies, orders, or associations,
501(c)(9) Voluntary employees’ beneficiary associations,
501(c)(10) Domestic fraternal societies, orders, etc.,
501(c)(12) Benevolent life insurance associations, mutual ditch or irrigation companies, mutual or cooperative telephone companies,
501(c)(13) Cemetery companies,
501(c)(15) Mutual insurance companies or associations,
501(c)(17) Trusts providing for the payment of supplemental unemployment compensation benefits,
501(c)(19) A post, organization, auxiliary unit, etc. of past or present members of the Armed Forces of the United States, and
501(c)(25) Title holding corporations or trusts.
501(e) Cooperative hospital service organization,
501(f) Cooperative service organization of operating educational organizations,
501(k) Certain organizations providing child care,
501(n) Charitable risk pools, and
501(q) Credit counseling organizations

Yet you're singling out one.

[JohnStOnge]

No. Logic doesn't require religion.

That's not answering the question. You say laws are derived from logic. Logic requires premises. Where do the premises come from?

It's not good enough to say, "not from religion."

[Vidav]

Sure have. Try again. Focus.

Blue laws. That's it. Archaic and disappearing. Where are the 5-10 I asked for?

Please note that in my original post you quoted I said people were trying to use it to influence policy.

Things like: Gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, evolution and sex education have been fought against tooth and nail by religious people. There is no reason to be against any of them, except abortion, unless religion drives your thinking.

[kalm]

1). I'm sure churches had nothing to do with creating or maintaining their tax status.

2). You've never heard of Christian Zionism?

I'm pretty sure every tax exempt group tries to maintain their tax status. Groups that fall into 501's:

501(c)(2) Title holding corporations,
501(c)(3) Corporations, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports, or prevention of cruelty for children or animals
501(c)(4) Civic leagues, social welfare organizations,
501(c)(5) Labor, agricultural, or horticultural organizations,
501(c)(6) Business leagues, chambers of commerce, etc.,
501(c)(7) Social clubs,
501(c)(8) Fraternal beneficiary societies, orders, or associations,
501(c)(9) Voluntary employees’ beneficiary associations,
501(c)(10) Domestic fraternal societies, orders, etc.,
501(c)(12) Benevolent life insurance associations, mutual ditch or irrigation companies, mutual or cooperative telephone companies,
501(c)(13) Cemetery companies,
501(c)(15) Mutual insurance companies or associations,
501(c)(17) Trusts providing for the payment of supplemental unemployment compensation benefits,
501(c)(19) A post, organization, auxiliary unit, etc. of past or present members of the Armed Forces of the United States, and
501(c)(25) Title holding corporations or trusts.
501(e) Cooperative hospital service organization,
501(f) Cooperative service organization of operating educational organizations,
501(k) Certain organizations providing child care,
501(n) Charitable risk pools, and
501(q) Credit counseling organizations

Yet you're singling out one.

Sure. You asked for examples...

[kalm]

Blue laws. That's it. Archaic and disappearing. Where are the 5-10 I asked for?

Please note that in my original post you quoted I said people were trying to use it to influence policy.

Things like: Gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, evolution and sex education have been fought against tooth and nail by religious people. There is no reason to be against any of them, except abortion, unless religion drives your thinking.

[SeattleGriz]

Blue laws. That's it. Archaic and disappearing. Where are the 5-10 I asked for?

Please note that in my original post you quoted I said people were trying to use it to influence policy.

Things like: Gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, evolution and sex education have been fought against tooth and nail by religious people. There is no reason to be against any of them, except abortion, unless religion drives your thinking.

Too late! Can't take it back now. You know the rules of this board. You will forever be held to the standards of your original post!

[D1B]

The Israel one is spot on. So is tax exemption.

Our support of Israel has to do with religion in this country? I don't think that's the case.

Tax exemption? Are churches the only tax exempt organizations in this country?

Hen, flailing like a ragdoll.

[SeattleGriz]

Our support of Israel has to do with religion in this country? I don't think that's the case.

Tax exemption? Are churches the only tax exempt organizations in this country?

Hen, flailing like a ragdoll.

You're just angry over this:

The leader of an atheist group reportedly is incensed that the U.S. government has granted it a tax exemption, citing allowances for religious organizations — and she’s even angrier at learning that she’s considered a minister under the Internal Revenue Service code.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ax-exempt/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Take your cult and get it out of here!

[Vidav]

Please note that in my original post you quoted I said people were trying to use it to influence policy.

Things like: Gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, evolution and sex education have been fought against tooth and nail by religious people. There is no reason to be against any of them, except abortion, unless religion drives your thinking.

Too late! Can't take it back now. You know the rules of this board. You will forever be held to the standards of your original post!

My original post is what I am talking about. I changed nothing.