Fast food workers vow civil disobedience

[kalm]

This right here is the part the BDK's fail to get. Disdain for those working full time and an under appreciation of how many low wage workers aren't teenagers. Teens theoretically can only work part time, so where are all of these low wage workers coming from? And they're having babies to boot!

Solution: cut their government bennies and they'll magically find better paying jobs to support their families and buy more things they can't afford.

If we had a solid economy, any full time employment would keep you out of poverty and enable you to drive the economy through purchasing the necessities for your family...like iPhones and bundled internet/cable.

Sad.

So what that teens during the school years can't work full time. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of minimum wage workers, whether they are working part time or not, making $7.25 an hr, are age 15-24. And maybe the stupid f*cks should stop having kids they can't support.

Agreed they should stop having kids. We should be passing out condoms in schools. But as I've pointed out before, your stat on age is inaccurate. According to the BLS:

Highlights
Age. Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth
of hourly paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2013.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pine on all you want about what should be happening but the reality is these stupid fucks are trying to survive off minimum wage and they are breeding.

[YoUDeeMan]

That's not all it is.

You focused solely on the relationship between the employer and employees. You ignored the significant fact that those businesses target different customers.

McDonald's advertises their 99 cent coffee. Starbucks advertises their 99 cent coffee...er, wait, they don't, do they?

Yeah...
But your observation didn't change ANYTHING that I said... Not one thing
Yes they have a difference in customer appeal and "go to market"
but they also have different employment strategies - as I pointed out



And I already said:
McDonalds and Wal-mart are focused on the destitute - both in their customers - and the lowest rung on the ladder in their employees. You're simply confirming that

Thank you / My point still stands

Again, you are showing your disdain for a good chunk of this country.

You are the elitist that doesn't care about the lower class...in fact, when you post about some companies' behavior and attitudes towards the destitute, you are really talking about yourself. You certainly show more characteristics of Wal-Mart than of Starbucks...and yet you speak with pride of the Starbucks' folks.

If you think a McDonald's manager doesn't want quality people working for him, you are an idiot. And if you think McDonalds doesn't invest in their employees, "in any shape or form", then you are simply a fool barking out nonsense on a street corner.

Hoping fast food prices quadruple is an interesting idea.

Prince Chizz: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche très cher, non?

[Chizzang]

Yeah...
But your observation didn't change ANYTHING that I said... Not one thing
Yes they have a difference in customer appeal and "go to market"
but they also have different employment strategies - as I pointed out



And I already said:
McDonalds and Wal-mart are focused on the destitute - both in their customers - and the lowest rung on the ladder in their employees. You're simply confirming that

Thank you / My point still stands

Again, you are showing your disdain for a good chunk of this country.

You are the elitist that doesn't care about the lower class...in fact, when you post about some companies' behavior and attitudes towards the destitute, you are really talking about yourself. You certainly show more characteristics of Wal-Mart than of Starbucks...and yet you speak with pride of the Starbucks' folks.

If you think a McDonald's manager doesn't want quality people working for him, you are an idiot. And if you think McDonalds doesn't invest in their employees, "in any shape or form", then you are simply a fool barking out nonsense on a street corner.

Hoping fast food prices quadruple is an interesting idea.

Prince Chizz: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche très cher, non?

That's a fascinating projection of my beliefs... Thank you for your insights
I am simply responding to what I see out there

McDonald's store managers might want all kinds of things - including good employees - and unicorns too
But the ownership of the individual franchise sets the pay scale - and their actions speak for themselves

Conservative Forbes magazine already stated in a study that McDonlads could pay damn near double minimum wage and the price of a cheese burger would go up 5 cents

So you tell me what they're looking for in employees..?
I'll make my decisions based on their "actions" which says it all

And this ^ goes double for Wal-Mart
My original observations and comments still stand as valid

[Baldy]

Again, you are showing your disdain for a good chunk of this country.

You are the elitist that doesn't care about the lower class...in fact, when you post about some companies' behavior and attitudes towards the destitute, you are really talking about yourself. You certainly show more characteristics of Wal-Mart than of Starbucks...and yet you speak with pride of the Starbucks' folks.

If you think a McDonald's manager doesn't want quality people working for him, you are an idiot. And if you think McDonalds doesn't invest in their employees, "in any shape or form", then you are simply a fool barking out nonsense on a street corner.

Hoping fast food prices quadruple is an interesting idea.

Prince Chizz: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche très cher, non?

That's a fascinating projection of my beliefs... Thank you for your insights
I am simply responding to what I see out there

McDonald's store managers might want all kinds of things - including good employees - and unicorns too
But the ownership of the individual franchise sets the pay scale - and their actions speak for themselves

Conservative Forbes magazine already stated in a study that McDonlads could pay damn near double minimum wage and the price of a cheese burger would go up 5 cents

So you tell me what they're looking for in employees..?
I'll make my decisions based on their "actions" which says it all

And this ^ goes double for Wal-Mart
My original observations and comments still stand as valid

Link?

[D1B]

That's a fascinating projection of my beliefs... Thank you for your insights
I am simply responding to what I see out there

McDonald's store managers might want all kinds of things - including good employees - and unicorns too
But the ownership of the individual franchise sets the pay scale - and their actions speak for themselves

Conservative Forbes magazine already stated in a study that McDonlads could pay damn near double minimum wage and the price of a cheese burger would go up 5 cents

So you tell me what they're looking for in employees..?
I'll make my decisions based on their "actions" which says it all

And this ^ goes double for Wal-Mart
My original observations and comments still stand as valid

Link?

Cop out.

Refute it.

[BlueHen86]

Here, BDMBFK, let me help - $600 is what she earns, $435 is what she takes home. Because she pays taxes.

Been a while since you worked an honest job?

Dumbass, if she is working 40 hours a week making $7.50 an hour she ain't paying about 28% in taxes. Her income tax liability would be less than zero after EITC was factored in.

I worked some close to minimum wage jobs in my late teens/early 20s and didn't have even close to 28% taken out in taxes, and I wasn't claiming 2 kids either.

In your original post it never occurred to you that she would get paid every two weeks, in fact you were so sure that she got paid every week you recalculated her hourly rate.

After it was pointed out to you that she might get paid every two weeks, it didn't occur to you that she would have taxes withheld.

Have you seen her paystub? $165 withheld out of a $600 paychecks seems steep, but unless we know how many dependents she claimed on her W-4, how much Fed, State & Local tax is being withheld, and any other money that might be withheld; we can't be sure that $165 isn't the number.

[kalm]

Dumbass, if she is working 40 hours a week making $7.50 an hour she ain't paying about 28% in taxes. Her income tax liability would be less than zero after EITC was factored in.

I worked some close to minimum wage jobs in my late teens/early 20s and didn't have even close to 28% taken out in taxes, and I wasn't claiming 2 kids either.

In your original post it never occurred to you that she would get paid every two weeks, in fact you were so sure that she got paid every week you recalculated her hourly rate.

After it was pointed out to you that she might get paid every two weeks, it didn't occur to you that she would have taxes withheld.

Have you seen her paystub? $165 withheld out of a $600 paychecks seems steep, but unless we know how many dependents she claimed on her W-4, how much Fed, State & Local tax is being withheld, and any other money that might be withheld; we can't be sure that $165 isn't the number.

[JohnStOnge]

Guys, according to the CBO and as of the latest year for which they reported (2010) the "all federal taxes" (i.e., not just income taxes) average federal tax rate for the lowest 20% was 1.5%. That's the bottom line.

[JohnStOnge]

Cop out.

Refute it.

You have it backwards, D. If you make an assertion you should be willing to back it up. Like you said Forbes Magazine said something. If someone says "show me" you should be willing to show them. It shouldn't be up to THEM to prove that Forbes Magazine did NOT say it.

[JohnStOnge]

McDonalds and Wal-mart are focused on the destitute - both in their customers

Wal Mart focuses on low prices. They're not focused on selling to the "destitute." I have a six figure income and I shop at WaL Mart a lot because you can get stuff there cheaper than you can get at other places. Anything from fishing gear to tents to weight sets to groceries. Same quality. Lower price. You're an idiot if you don't take advantage of that. Generally if I want something I look at Wal Mart first because I know that whatever it is if Wal Mart has it that's the lowest price I'm going to find. Then if Wal Mart doesn't have it I'll look elsewhere.

My brother the attorney who could just recently afford to have a a camp built that probably cost more than my house shops there too for the same reason.

If you think that only the "destitute" shop at Wal Mart or that that's what Wal Mart is focused on you are seriously misinformed. Again: Wal Mart focuses on lower prices and there are PLENTY of people who are not "destitute" who take advantage of that.

[JohnStOnge]

Wait a second… I thought corporations are people? Do they exist outside of society?

And if corporation (A) decides to not provide jobs, will no corporation (B) step in and fill the demand?

I have to admit I have no idea as to what you're getting that with that.

[Chizzang]

Guys,
There are maybe a dozen (not exaggerating) articles in Forbes on Minimum Wage impacts and McDonalds and Wal-Mart etc.

It's not like I'm just making this sh!t up... read for yourselves
"Will Starbucks Eat McDonald's Lunch? How The Minimum Wage Is Reshaping Workforce Strategies"


http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahcaldic ... trategies/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung ... mcdonalds/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Chizzang]

Here it is... Big Mac costs vs. Hourly Wages

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall ... r-nothing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



How come the Liberal on here (Me) is the only guy actually reading Forbes Magazine..?
I love Forbes / great articles / strong evaluation / interesting topics

Mr. Forbes Jr. is an insufferable Douche
with less than a handful of his Fathers talent (but not his fault)

[houndawg]

Oh my, we are eat up with the dumbass today, aren't we?

Lets come at it from a more simple direction: Since she makes $300/week, a check for $435 must be for more than one week..

Oh my god...

Sorry, bro, I was just kidding when I asked if it has been a while since you've held a job. Didn't realize... my apologies.....could happen to any of us....

[houndawg]

Dumbass, if she is working 40 hours a week making $7.50 an hour she ain't paying about 28% in taxes. Her income tax liability would be less than zero after EITC was factored in.

I worked some close to minimum wage jobs in my late teens/early 20s and didn't have even close to 28% taken out in taxes, and I wasn't claiming 2 kids either.

In your original post it never occurred to you that she would get paid every two weeks, in fact you were so sure that she got paid every week you recalculated her hourly rate.

After it was pointed out to you that she might get paid every two weeks, it didn't occur to you that she would have taxes withheld.

Have you seen her paystub? $165 withheld out of a $600 paychecks seems steep, but unless we know how many dependents she claimed on her W-4, how much Fed, State & Local tax is being withheld, and any other money that might be withheld; we can't be sure that $165 isn't the number.

BDMBFK

[BDKJMU]

So what that teens during the school years can't work full time. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of minimum wage workers, whether they are working part time or not, making $7.25 an hr, are age 15-24. And maybe the stupid f*cks should stop having kids they can't support.

Agreed they should stop having kids. We should be passing out condoms in schools.

No we shouldn't. You can buy them for a few bucks for a pack of several at any gas station, convenience store, grocery store, even some bathrooms. That's what most everyone on here did in their younger years...

[BDKJMU]

Guys,
There are maybe a dozen (not exaggerating) articles in Forbes on Minimum Wage impacts and McDonalds and Wal-Mart etc.

It's not like I'm just making this sh!t up... read for yourselves
"Will Starbucks Eat McDonald's Lunch? How The Minimum Wage Is Reshaping Workforce Strategies"


http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahcaldic ... trategies/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung ... mcdonalds/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And your claim of:

Conservative Forbes magazine already stated in a study that McDonlads could pay damn near double minimum wage and the price of a cheese burger would go up 5 cents

isn't mentoned in either of those articles.

[BDKJMU]

Guys, according to the CBO and as of the latest year for which they reported (2010) the "all federal taxes" (i.e., not just income taxes) average federal tax rate for the lowest 20% was 1.5%. That's the bottom line.

Exactly.

[Chizzang]

Guys,
There are maybe a dozen (not exaggerating) articles in Forbes on Minimum Wage impacts and McDonalds and Wal-Mart etc.

It's not like I'm just making this sh!t up... read for yourselves
"Will Starbucks Eat McDonald's Lunch? How The Minimum Wage Is Reshaping Workforce Strategies"


http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahcaldic ... trategies/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung ... mcdonalds/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And your claim of:

Conservative Forbes magazine already stated in a study that McDonlads could pay damn near double minimum wage and the price of a cheese burger would go up 5 cents

isn't mentoned in either of those articles.

Here you go little fella... (I can't read it for you)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall ... r-nothing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From the article:
"The Real Change In The Cost Of A Big Mac If McDonald's Workers Were Paid $15 An Hour: Nothing"

And there are more than Forbes articles to confirm this... just do a tiny bit of google research - its all right there for anybody to see...

[BDKJMU]

And your claim of:

isn't mentoned in either of those articles.

Here you go little fella... (I can't read it for you)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall ... r-nothing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From the article:
"The Real Change In The Cost Of A Big Mac If McDonald's Workers Were Paid $15 An Hour: Nothing"

And there are more than Forbes articles to confirm this... just do a tiny bit of google research - its all right there for anybody to see...

Well that article wasn't one of the 1st 2 links you gave. Why not include that when you made the claim in the 1st place? If you're going to pull out a stat, back it up with a link. Don't expect others to do it for you.

And what you neglect to mention was the author's premise was that if ONLY McDonald's raised their min wage to $15 an hr the price of the burger wouldn't go up because their competitors wouldn't be raising their prices. Mc Ds would be forced to cut labor and add automation to deal with the higher wages without raising prices.

The author later responded in the comments section:
'It does indeed matter whether the pay raise is at Maccy D only or across the board. If it’s only at McDonald’s then it’s as above. They can’t raise their prices because no one else is and thus prices don’t rise.

If all wages move to $15 an hour then there will be some mixture of job losses (ie, more automation) and price rises."

That's what we are talking about here- a more than doubling of the fed min wage to $15 an hr. And of course if that happens those burgers will go up by more than 5 cents along with job losses.

[BDKJMU]

And I haven't seen one lib on here advocate for the compromise of raising the min wage for say those over a certain age, say 21, and leaving it the same for the 15-20 yr old teeny boppers with mostly no kids/families to raise, little to no job skills working their 1st job(s) living at home with mommy and daddy. I believe some European countries have a sliding min wage scale based on age, and considering how a lot of libs want to emulate Europe, there you go...

[houndawg]

Guys, according to the CBO and as of the latest year for which they reported (2010) the "all federal taxes" (i.e., not just income taxes) average federal tax rate for the lowest 20% was 1.5%. That's the bottom line.

They must have good accountants.

[kalm]

Wait a second… I thought corporations are people? Do they exist outside of society?

And if corporation (A) decides to not provide jobs, will no corporation (B) step in and fill the demand?

I have to admit I have no idea as to what you're getting that with that.

Go back and read your post. You're speaking as though corporations are suffering at the hands of decisions that society is making. Aren't corporations a part of society with rights, etc?

To the second point, jobs are driven by demand. If a corporation thinks it's being treated unfairly, then step aside, and another more efficient company will step in and fill the jobs.

[Ivytalk]

Well, the NLRB has now ruled in favor of the protesters: MCD shares responsibility with the franchisees.

[houndawg]

Well, the NLRB has now ruled in favor of the protesters: MCD shares responsibility with the franchisees.

This is the end of western civilization as we know it.