What's Wrong With Kansas?

[kalm]

(Dear Baldy, yes it's thinkprogress, but the figures are all linked so simmer down

All other things aside, you should have maybe started with thinkprogress then found a way to cobble everything together without ever citing thinkprogress. As far as I can tell, all but two of the links are to other thinkprogress articles. One of the two that isn't appears to be to another liberal/progressive-oriented site. The other one is uncertain.

As I've written before, I often learn about things I want to talk about from what you would call "right wing" sources. But before I talk about them I look the content up in other places. Then I try to cite sources other people won't dismiss as "right wing" when I post/discuss them. Sometimes I don't do a good enough job of it. But that's the idea.

The way you did it just isn't going to work. It's mostly thinkprogress citing thinkprogress.

You're right, I should have dug a little closer before making the links claim. But not all go to TP and if you wade through their linked articles you'll find sources like Topeka newspaper.

Now, aside from that are you disputing the numbers?

But thanks for the suggestion on how to post. I'd never thought of doing that.

[Baldy]

This tax policy and the resulting revenue shortage and need to cut education is not moderate... But nice try at a dig.

Who is to say that the revenue reduction wouldn't be worse if higher tax rates were retained? I'm not a expert on the Kansas economy. Neither are you and Think Progress. The article was weak and provided no real analysis. It simply pointed out a correlation (perhaps even a weak correlation) and drew some pretty broad conclusion.

Causation and correlation....or just a coincidence.
Whoever wrote that article threw shit on the wall hoping it would stick.

[kalm]

Who is to say that the revenue reduction wouldn't be worse if higher tax rates were retained? I'm not a expert on the Kansas economy. Neither are you and Think Progress. The article was weak and provided no real analysis. It simply pointed out a correlation (perhaps even a weak correlation) and drew some pretty broad conclusion.

Causation and correlation....or just a coincidence.
Whoever wrote that article threw shit on the wall hoping it would stick.

Kind of like supply side economics, eh?

[Baldy]

Causation and correlation....or just a coincidence.
Whoever wrote that article threw shit on the wall hoping it would stick.

Kind of like supply side economics, eh?

"progressive" political philosophy

[Cap'n Cat]

Kind of like supply side economics, eh?

"progressive" political philosophy

"Arms sales to Iran? Send the cash to Central America? BRILLIANT!!!!

[CID1990]

Kind of like supply side economics, eh?

"progressive" political philosophy

AAAAAANNNNNNND Capn Cat with the latest non-sequitur

BRAWK!

[Cap'n Cat]

"progressive" political philosophy

AAAAAANNNNNNND Capn Cat with the latest non-sequitur

BRAWK!

Don't know if you're being sarcastic, Bahrain Boy, but, think about it - it's also a nonsequential tertiary non sequitur!

Oh, and bogart the hyphen, too, niqqer.

[CID1990]

AAAAAANNNNNNND Capn Cat with the latest non-sequitur

BRAWK!

Don't know if you're being sarcastic, Bahrain Boy, but, think about it - it's also a nonsequential tertiary non sequitur!

Oh, and bogart the hyphen, too, niqqer.

BR BR BR BRAWK!!!

[Grizalltheway]

Get your own schtick. That one belongs to MR. CHICKEN.

[CID1990]

The schtick belongs to mr chicken but the m.o. belongs to capn

pay attn

[Skjellyfetti]

Ouch.

More than 100 current and former Republican officials endorsed Democratic state Rep. Paul Davis's bid to unseat Gov. Sam Brownback (R) Tuesday, marking a new setback for the incumbent, who was already facing a competitive reelection campaign.

A mass defection like this is not typically seen in statewide campaigns. It signaled the tough road ahead Brownback could face as the November election approaches.

The collection of Republicans, dubbed "Republicans for Kansas Values," endorsed Davis's bid at an event in Topeka. They oppose Brownback for a laundry list of reasons, including tax cuts he spearheaded, cuts to education spending and his alienating some centrist members of the GOP.

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[JohnStOnge]

Now, aside from that are you disputing the numbers?

No I wouldn't even put the effort into trying because I believe progressive taxation is both immoral and misguided to begin with. I think the thing we've established whereby politicians give away a bunch of goodies by taxing "the rich" creates a situation in which people vote for benefits they don't have to pay for. It's always "the rich" that are going to handle it. That's why we have WAY too much government and government doing WAY too much right now.

To me, if cutting taxes on "the rich" means government can't do as much that 's great. I think "progressive" taxation ought to be eliminated entirely. I think that if people want government to do things they should be willing to pay for it instead of always shifting the cost off to "the rich."

To me a fair tax scheme is one in which you look at the cost of running the country, divide it by the number of people in the country, and charge everyone their share. Just like if you have three guys being roommates in college you charge each of them a third of the rent for their apartment. Obviously if we did that people wouldn't tolerate the government doing/spending as much as it does.

[Chizzang]

Its almost NEVER (I said almost never) about taxes like OL FU said

Every state knows exactly how it generates its revenue and in what percentages and dollar amounts (exactly) Its all right there to see in black and white. Kansas made some choices to generate less and then failed to SPEND LESS...even after it knew it was going to generate less (WTF!)

It really isn't rocket science

Washington State posts its revenue generation online / Tourism / Various taxes / Tolls / fines etc.

It (The State) largely made the Marijuana VOTE debate more about revenue than anything else and was able to sway a percentage votes based simply on the that argument

[kalm]

Now, aside from that are you disputing the numbers?

No I wouldn't even put the effort into trying because I believe progressive taxation is both immoral and misguided to begin with. I think the thing we've established whereby politicians give away a bunch of goodies by taxing "the rich" creates a situation in which people vote for benefits they don't have to pay for. It's always "the rich" that are going to handle it. That's why we have WAY too much government and government doing WAY too much right now.

To me, if cutting taxes on "the rich" means government can't do as much that 's great. I think "progressive" taxation ought to be eliminated entirely. I think that if people want government to do things they should be willing to pay for it instead of always shifting the cost off to "the rich."

To me a fair tax scheme is one in which you look at the cost of running the country, divide it by the number of people in the country, and charge everyone their share. Just like if you have three guys being roommates in college you charge each of them a third of the rent for their apartment. Obviously if we did that people wouldn't tolerate the government doing/spending as much as it does.

1) How is progressive taxation immoral?

2) Are you suggesting we redistribute wealth evenly before applying your fair tax scheme?

[kalm]

Meanwhile, in California, who raised taxes (especially on the high end) two years ago…

Job growth in much of California has outpaced the national average over the last year, signaling a continued economic rebound for the state in the coming years, according to the quarterly UCLA Anderson Forecast released Thursday.

Economists with UCLA’s Anderson School of Management found that Silicon Valley had the highest rate of job growth in the state during the last year, at 4% -- more than double the national average. Employment numbers in Los Angeles, the Inland Empire, Ventura County and Orange County also outperformed the national average, according to the analysis.

Employment numbers in the Inland Empire and Los Angeles are still below the pre-recession peak, while San Francisco, Silicon Valley and San Diego have regained the job losses in the wake of the foreclosure crisis.

The East Bay, the San Joaquin Valley and counties near the Oregon border were the only regions that experienced job growth slower than the U.S. average.


"California really is bucking the trend of what’s happening in the rest of the U.S.," said Jerry Nickelsburg, a senior economist with the UCLA Anderson Forecast who focuses on state economic trends.

UCLA economists also projected a continuing decline in California’s unemployment rate over the next two years, dropping from an average of 7.7% this year to 5.9% in 2016.

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[houndawg]

LOL at the lame spin from the right.

The left predicted this exact outcome - just as supply-side failed nationally, it failed miserably in Kansas.

When supply-side was national policy during the Tax and Spend Reagan years, federal revenues increased by an unprecedented 94% over an eight-year period.

[kalm]

Bumparooskie!

Sam Brownback’s terrible, horrible, no good, very bad 31 hours


Gov. Sam Brownback promised Kansans that his deep income tax cuts favoring the wealthy would bring lots of great new things to the state.

Instead, Brownback — and residents — have been enduring a steady drumbeat of bad news after the cuts took effect.

▪ At 9 a.m. Tuesday, the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics released a report showing how jobs had grown in metropolitan areas across America.

Unfortunately for Brownback, the report showed that the Missouri side of the state line had gained jobs at four times the rate of the Kansas side. And yes, that’s after including new employment in Johnson and Wyandotte counties.

So much for Brownback’s promise that jobs would be fleeing Missouri-side cities for Kansas after the tax cuts.

▪ Shortly after noon Tuesday, a judicial panel in Shawnee County released a ruling that Kansas was inadequately funding K-12 education.

That could mean the state would need to pump in $500 million extra a year or more to bring schools up to par.

That’s extremely concerning news for Brownback. He already will have to suggest how to slash the state budget in the coming months because the income tax cuts are on pace to help cause a $1.1 billion hole in revenues in this and the next fiscal year.

▪ Finally, on Wednesday afternoon, Kansas officials released figures showing the state had collected $15 million less than expected in December.

And that was after the state in November had dramatically lowered revenue expectations for the rest of this fiscal year.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-c ... rylink=cpy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Grizalltheway]

Conks.

[Grizalltheway]

Conks?

Conks?

Conks?

[kalm]

Kansas isn't alone.

What a dope.

More than $1 billion of the shortfall on the horizon for the fiscal year that begins July 1 can be tied to Jindal's refusal to match the state's spending to its yearly revenue over his two terms in office — as he also steadfastly refused to consider tax increases.

When Jindal took office in 2008, he positioned himself as a fiscal conservative who decried budget shell games akin to "using your credit card to pay your mortgage." It didn't take long to ditch that rhetoric and shift the focus to saving critical services with any money available.

Jindal scraped together what he could from all sorts of funds: railroad crossing safety, artificial reef construction, housing programs and the blind. He pieced together money from one-time legal settlements and property sales, using it to pay for continuing programs. Lawmakers went along, and Louisiana has careened from one budget crisis to the next as the dollars either don't pan out or the sources of financing dry up and need replacing.

"Our budget has been full of sleights of hand — it's almost a Ponzi scheme of moving moneys around, one-time money around, to serve recurring needs," Lt. Gov. Jay Dardenne, one of the Republicans vying to be Louisiana's next governor, said at a recent forum.

In early February, national credit rating agency Moody's Investors Service described Louisiana's budget as having a "structural deficit," raising worries from Kennedy the state could be threatened with a rating downgrade that could make borrowing more difficult.

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[Grizalltheway]

Conks?

Conks?

Conks?

[kalm]

[HI54UNI]

More current info. Maybe some of his reforms are making things better.



Forbes Lists
#32 Best State for Business

#34 in Business Costs
#37 in Labor Supply
#29 in Regulatory Environment
#27 in Economic Climate
#18 in Growth Prospects
#17 in Quality of Life

[AZGrizFan]

More current info. Maybe some of his reforms are making things better.



Forbes Lists
#32 Best State for Business

#34 in Business Costs
#37 in Labor Supply
#29 in Regulatory Environment
#27 in Economic Climate
#18 in Growth Prospects
#17 in Quality of Life

Where did they rank before he took office?

[kalm]

Brings up an interesting point which is if schools don't use their snow days, why not close school earlier in the spring?

Anywhoo……………trickle down!

The four newly reported closings are in the unified school districts of Smoky Valley, Haven, Skyline and Shawnee Heights. The Capital-Journal reports that most Kansas schools already exceed the required minimum number of school days, so they can afford to cut a few days without violating state law.

Still, the decision to cut days was a painful one for school districts, judging from an announcement posted by the Twin Valley school board in late March, just days after Brownback signed a bill cutting $51 million in school funding for the current year. "The Twin Valley Board of Education made a difficult decision and has approved a change in the last day of school," the board wrote. "This decision was based on the financial plight of the district. The district has few fiscal reserves to endure the present mid year unplanned financial cuts recently signed into law."

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