America 2, Obama 0

[AZGrizFan]

Then don't quote this woman as a rebuttal Ilyse Hogue

I agree with her, OLe, however, we need to abide. Just like the Conks do with the passage of the Affordable Care Act.

But the Donks DON'T have to abide, apparently? Obama has violated THAT law at least a dozen times in the past 18 months....

[Chizzang]

Of all the people in the world... Corporations are my favorite



Frankly there is NO ADVANTAGE being a person anymore
You're far better off incorporating in any way you can - and going corporate bankruptcy a few times too
At least three times like the Donald Trump

Personal bankruptcy is not a good idea really (too much accountability)
All the advantages go with corporate bankruptcy all the rich kids are doing it

Is the mature a corporation?

The old lady?
You bet she is - her patents and design work all go under her corporate header
I'm working on getting the girls to incorporate (home office write offs and so forth)

Being a person is bad for business

[CitadelGrad]

mmmmmNot exactly. There is an issue here of how the HHS did not use the least restrictive means to serve its compelling interest (assuming for the sake of argument that it even has a compelling interest). How did SCOTUS determine that the least restrictive means were not used, you ask. Well, Hobby Lobby could incur fines of hundreds of millions a year for not meeting the mandate. That would, of course, do great financial damage to the company and its employees.

Ah-Ha... I see



wait, what...?

What part did you not understand?

[kalm]

Is the mature a corporation?

The old lady?
You bet she is - her patents and design work all go under her corporate header
I'm working on getting the girls to incorporate (home office write offs and so forth)

Being a person is bad for business

WITF am I suppose to do with this? Incorporate?

[JohnStOnge]

I'm glad thing turned out the way they did today but, really, the overall outlook is pretty bad. The fact that the two things in question to day were even in question is bad. The fact that we live under a paradigm in which the Federal Government has the authority to even tell businesses they have to offer health insurance at all is bad. No way that's really consistent with the Constitution.

[Baldy]

Is the mature a corporation?

The old lady?
You bet she is - her patents and design work all go under her corporate header
I'm working on getting the girls to incorporate (home office write offs and so forth)

Being a person is bad for business

You don't need to incorporate to use the home office deduction.

[Pwns]

Erma gherd! The rimmin! Sermbody save the rimmin!

[BDKJMU]

Where people, including ambassadors were killed? Let's hear more about this.

67 people died Google is your friend.

And 0 ambassadors were killed in terrorist attacks. Same as under Bush's daddy, Clinton, and Reagan.

And Bush's White House:
-Didn't deny requests for extra security.
-Didn't leave people hanging out to dry over multiple attacks over 8 hours.
-Didn't try to blame the terrorist attack on a fabricated story about a Youtube video because the terrorist attack didn't fir their campaign narrative that Al Qaeda was defeated and on the run...

[CID1990]

67 people died Google is your friend.

And 0 ambassadors were killed in terrorist attacks. Same as under Bush's daddy, Clinton, and Reagan.

And Bush's White House:
-Didn't deny requests for extra security.
-Didn't leave people hanging out to dry over multiple attacks over 8 hours.
-Didn't try to blame the terrorist attack on a fabricated story about a Youtube video because the terrorist attack didn't fir their campaign narrative that Al Qaeda was defeated and on the run...

even around the water coolers of Foggy Bottom

as liberal as we collectively are

you know what? i
just erased my whole post

fvck it some if you people dont WANT to know the truth about Benghazi

[Skjellyfetti]

It's called abstinence. Look into it.

Yeah! Sounds like a very realistic strategy. And y'all like to say that liberals are naive dreamers.

If we just teach kids to "say no to drugs" and "say no to sex" all drug problems and teenage pregnancies will just disappear!

[Baldy]

It's called abstinence. Look into it.

Yeah! Sounds like a very realistic strategy. And y'all like to say that liberals are naive dreamers.

If we just teach kids to "say no to drugs" and "say no to sex" all drug problems and teenage pregnancies will just disappear!

It's not about abstinence, it's about being accountable for your actions. Is that realistic enough for you?

[Cap'n Cat]

Yeah! Sounds like a very realistic strategy. And y'all like to say that liberals are naive dreamers.

If we just teach kids to "say no to drugs" and "say no to sex" all drug problems and teenage pregnancies will just disappear!

It's not about abstinence, it's about being accountable for your actions. Is that realistic enough for you?

How about for YOU, Li'l Rush?

[Skjellyfetti]

It's not about abstinence, it's about being accountable for your actions. Is that realistic enough for you?

Who is saying they shouldn't be accountable for their own actions?

Saying "Say no to drugs" is a dumb policy to combat drug use and "abstinence only" is a dumb policy to combat unwanted pregnancy isn't saying that neither should be held accountable for their actions.

[andy7171]

It's not about abstinence, it's about being accountable for your actions. Is that realistic enough for you?

Who is saying they shouldn't be accountable for their own actions?

Saying "Say no to drugs" is a dumb policy to combat drug use and "abstinence only" is a dumb policy to combat unwanted pregnancy isn't saying that neither should be held accountable for their actions.

Ahem. Then PAY for it yourself.

[89Hen]

It's not about abstinence, it's about being accountable for your actions. Is that realistic enough for you?

Who is saying they shouldn't be accountable for their own actions?

Apparently you. Abortion drugs paid for by your employer... where is the accountability for the woman in question?

[travelinman67]

Who is saying they shouldn't be accountable for their own actions?

Apparently you. Abortion drugs paid for by your employer... where is the accountability for the woman in question?

[AZGrizFan]

Who is saying they shouldn't be accountable for their own actions?

Saying "Say no to drugs" is a dumb policy to combat drug use and "abstinence only" is a dumb policy to combat unwanted pregnancy isn't saying that neither should be held accountable for their actions.

Ahem. Then PAY for it yourself.

No, that's just too much of a reach.

[Baldy]

It's not about abstinence, it's about being accountable for your actions. Is that realistic enough for you?

How about for YOU, Li'l Rush?

Say what???

[Skjellyfetti]

Ahem. Then PAY for it yourself.

My point is that the best contraceptive methods shouldn't be accessible based on income.

The ones who need it most are the ones who can't afford it.... because, if you can't afford an IUD... you certainly can't afford a child.

Apparently you. Abortion drugs paid for by your employer... where is the accountability for the woman in question?

No such thing as "abortion pills." The "morning after pill" will not work if the woman is already pregnant when she takes it.

And, for your second point. There is still accountability to take care of it yourself. You can have dental coverage... but, you are still accountable to actually get dental care so your teeth don't rot out. How is dental coverage a lack of personal accountability?

[Ibanez]

Ahem. Then PAY for it yourself.

My point is that the best contraceptive methods shouldn't be accessible based on income.

The ones who need it most are the ones who can't afford it.... because, if you can't afford an IUD... you certainly can't afford a child.

Apparently you. Abortion drugs paid for by your employer... where is the accountability for the woman in question?

No such thing as "abortion pills." The "morning after pill" will not work if the woman is already pregnant when she takes it.

And, for your second point. There is still accountability to take care of it yourself. You can have dental coverage... but, you are still accountable to actually get dental care so your teeth don't rot out. How is dental coverage a lack of personal accountability?

IMHO, This is not a health issue, as much as it's a religious issue. This is a religious belief. They believe it's murder and want no part in it.

They don't want to pay for medicine that prohibits a fertilized egg from attaching while at the same time paying to prevent an egg from becoming fertilized. Ever had to go out and buy Plan B? Those pills are best used shortly after sex. The phrase "morning after pill" is a bit of a misnomer.

[Cap'n Cat]

My point is that the best contraceptive methods shouldn't be accessible based on income.

The ones who need it most are the ones who can't afford it.... because, if you can't afford an IUD... you certainly can't afford a child.



No such thing as "abortion pills." The "morning after pill" will not work if the woman is already pregnant when she takes it.

And, for your second point. There is still accountability to take care of it yourself. You can have dental coverage... but, you are still accountable to actually get dental care so your teeth don't rot out. How is dental coverage a lack of personal accountability?

IMHO, This is not a health issue, as much as it's a religious issue. This is a religious belief. They believe it's murder and want no part in it.

They don't want to pay for medicine that prohibits a fertilized egg from attaching while at the same time paying to prevent an egg from becoming fertilized. Ever had to go out and buy Plan B? Those pills are best used shortly after sex. The phrase "morning after pill" is a bit of a misnomer.

That's why oral is the only way for me.

[Skjellyfetti]

Yeah, I'm kinda warming to this ruling. Not that big of a deal.

Alito says in the opinion... that if employers do not provide the coverage that the government should take over the costs of providing it to them.

The government could, e.g., assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives to women unable to obtain coverage due to their employers’ religious objections

I'm fine with that.

And, conservatives were in an uproar when that was done for religious nonprofits' exemptions. So, oh well. Fine by me.

[JoltinJoe]

"Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]." -- First Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law restricting the right to have someone else pay for your contraceptives." -- Must be in there somewhere, right?

[YoUDeeMan]

Ahem. Then PAY for it yourself.

My point is that the best contraceptive methods shouldn't be accessible based on income.

The ones who need it most are the ones who can't afford it.... because, if you can't afford an IUD... you certainly can't afford a child.

If you can't afford a child and decide to have one anyway, then you should be sterilized.

Find the male responsible and eliminate any future baby making ability from the clown. Then make the female sterile. With the one baby to two idiot ratio, they will soon take themselves out of the population pool.

They can f*ck all they want and live their life to freely make decisions that will only negatively impact themselves and anyone stupid enough to surround themselves with such irresponsible clowns.

[Skjellyfetti]

If you can't afford a child and decide to have one anyway, then you should be sterilized.

Well, there is another option... but, I certainly don't think social conservatives like the Hobby Lobby owners want to think of the results of poor people getting pregnant... and resorting to other options....

Easily affordable and accessible contraceptives = less abortions. Is that a presumption on my part, or... can we all agree on that?

Some Conks know this support making birth control pills over-the-counter. That's certainly a good start.
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