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travelinman67 wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
Iraq was a much bigger mistake than any Obama has made so far.

Bush either lied about Iraqi WMD's, or he was incompetent.

Obama sucks, but he's better than Bush.
Obama has failed in every category:

Domestic, economic, foreign policy...you name it. He's unequivocally the worst POTUS in the last 120 years.

He lacked the experience, knowledge and skillset to be POTUS. Bush was no daisy, and you may disagree with his decisions, but he's head and shoulders above Obama.

Another measure...had he not received 95% of ALL African-American vote, we'd be critiquing President McCain.

Oh, yeah...
No exaggeration on your part. :roll:

Obama can't be the worst President in the last 120 years when the guy before him was worse.

During Bush's tenure:
the economy went in the tank
we were attacked on 9/11
we invaded a country for no reason
we didn't catch the guy responsible for 9/11

Like JSO, you are a conk with a selective memory.
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travelinman67 wrote: Obama has failed in every category:

Domestic, economic, foreign policy...
Bush didn't?

travelinman67 wrote: Another measure...had he not received 95% of ALL African-American vote, we'd be critiquing President McCain.
Sorry the Southern Strategy isn't panning out too well for y'all. :( Will take decades for the Republican Party to fix that blunder.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
travelinman67 wrote: Obama has failed in every category:

Domestic, economic, foreign policy...
Bush didn't?

travelinman67 wrote: Another measure...had he not received 95% of ALL African-American vote, we'd be critiquing President McCain.
Sorry the Southern Strategy isn't panning out too well for y'all. :( Will take decades for the Republican Party to fix that blunder.
1. No, Bush didn't.
2. When 95% of an ethnic demograph vote for one candidate, who happens to belong to the same ethnicity, by definition, they're racist.
Glad you find amusing. Personally, I'm ashamed .
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Instead or trying to make an argument for which one was worse, why can't we just stipulate that one sucked and the other sucks? Just trying to keep my tenses correct.
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travelinman67 wrote: 2. When 95% of an ethnic demograph vote for one candidate, who happens to belong to the same ethnicity, by definition, they're racist.
It was a deliberate strategy by Republicans in the 60s, 70s, and 80s - win over the southern states by appealing to white southerners and alienating the black vote. It worked marvelously.

Democrats controlled much of the South in the early 60s (see: Solid South). Now, obviously, they do not. The Southern Strategy achieved its goal but it backfired worse than they ever could have imagined.
Kevin Phillips wrote:From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/bo ... uthern.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They thought they would win back blacks by talking about economic issues... that has failed spectacularly... because it's ultimately just code words for further marginalization.

According to the architect himself:
Lee Atwater wrote:You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
http://books.google.com/books?id=BfWO5z ... &q&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At least some Republicans are intelligent enough to see this and willing to work towards winning back the black community legitimately. Unfortunately, they are few and far between and most of them have similar views to you. So, Republicans probably won't make significant headway in the black community over the next few decades and electoral math for Republicans will become more and more bleak. :nod:
The head of the Republican National Committee issued a sweeping apology to the NAACP yesterday for a decades-old practice of writing off the black vote and using racial polarization to win elections.

RNC chairman Ken Mehlman said civil rights legislation pushed by President Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, in the 1960s solidified black support for that party for decades and ''we Republicans did not effectively reach out."

''Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," he added. ''I am here as Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rman_says/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But, blacks are "racist" because of the strategy devised by Republicans to isolate and marginalize them?

Bout the dumbest shit I've heard in awhile. :dunce:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
travelinman67 wrote: 2. When 95% of an ethnic demograph vote for one candidate, who happens to belong to the same ethnicity, by definition, they're racist.
It was a deliberate strategy by Republicans in the 60s, 70s, and 80s - win over the southern states by appealing to white southerners and alienating the black vote. It worked marvelously.

Democrats controlled much of the South in the early 60s (see: Solid South). Now, obviously, they do not. The Southern Strategy achieved its goal but it backfired worse than they ever could have imagined.
Kevin Phillips wrote:From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/bo ... uthern.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They thought they would win back blacks by talking about economic issues... that has failed spectacularly... because it's ultimately just code words for further marginalization.

According to the architect himself:
Lee Atwater wrote:You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
http://books.google.com/books?id=BfWO5z ... &q&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At least some Republicans are intelligent enough to see this and willing to work towards winning back the black community legitimately. Unfortunately, they are few and far between and most of them have similar views to you. So, Republicans probably won't make significant headway in the black community over the next few decades and electoral math for Republicans will become more and more bleak. :nod:
The head of the Republican National Committee issued a sweeping apology to the NAACP yesterday for a decades-old practice of writing off the black vote and using racial polarization to win elections.

RNC chairman Ken Mehlman said civil rights legislation pushed by President Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, in the 1960s solidified black support for that party for decades and ''we Republicans did not effectively reach out."

''Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," he added. ''I am here as Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rman_says/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But, blacks are "racist" because of the strategy devised by Republicans to isolate and marginalize them?

Bout the dumbest shit I've heard in awhile. :dunce:
First, your argument focuses on southern strategy, not urban or inner city strategy (you're not the only person to have studied Lee Atwater).
Second, I would argue your montage theory is merely a rationalization. Reverse the premise, in white v black contest, 95% of white demo voting for white candidate, argument supported by CRA reverse discrimination "rationalization" does not vacate a "racist" conclusion. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Third, instead of incessantly blaming past Presidents or historical transgressions for current amoral liberal miscues...(Hey, Wyatt Earp acted as judge, jury and executioner...)...I challenge you to explain why the liberal's transgressions were either necessary, or the least harmful approach to resolving problems and/or building our nation.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
travelinman67 wrote: 2. When 95% of an ethnic demograph vote for one candidate, who happens to belong to the same ethnicity, by definition, they're racist.
It was a deliberate strategy by Republicans in the 60s, 70s, and 80s - win over the southern states by appealing to white southerners and alienating the black vote. It worked marvelously.

Democrats controlled much of the South in the early 60s (see: Solid South). Now, obviously, they do not. The Southern Strategy achieved its goal but it backfired worse than they ever could have imagined.
Kevin Phillips wrote:From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/bo ... uthern.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They thought they would win back blacks by talking about economic issues... that has failed spectacularly... because it's ultimately just code words for further marginalization.

According to the architect himself:
Lee Atwater wrote:You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
http://books.google.com/books?id=BfWO5z ... &q&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At least some Republicans are intelligent enough to see this and willing to work towards winning back the black community legitimately. Unfortunately, they are few and far between and most of them have similar views to you. So, Republicans probably won't make significant headway in the black community over the next few decades and electoral math for Republicans will become more and more bleak. :nod:
The head of the Republican National Committee issued a sweeping apology to the NAACP yesterday for a decades-old practice of writing off the black vote and using racial polarization to win elections.

RNC chairman Ken Mehlman said civil rights legislation pushed by President Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, in the 1960s solidified black support for that party for decades and ''we Republicans did not effectively reach out."

''Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," he added. ''I am here as Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rman_says/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But, blacks are "racist" because of the strategy devised by Republicans to isolate and marginalize them?

Bout the dumbest shit I've heard in awhile. :dunce:
First, your argument focuses on southern strategy, not urban or inner city strategy (you're not the only person to have studied Lee Atwater).
Second, I would argue your montage theory is merely a rationalization. Reverse the premise, in white v black contest, 95% of white demo voting for white candidate, argument supported by CRA reverse discrimination "rationalization" does not vacate a "racist" conclusion. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Third, instead of incessantly blaming past Presidents or historical transgressions for current amoral liberal miscues...(Hey, Wyatt Earp acted as judge, jury and executioner...)...I challenge you to explain why the liberal's transgressions were either necessary, or the least harmful approach to resolving problems and/or building our nation.
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Skjellyfetti wrote: It was a deliberate strategy by Republicans in the 60s, 70s, and 80s - win over the southern states by appealing to white southerners and alienating the black vote. It worked marvelously.

Democrats controlled much of the South in the early 60s (see: Solid South). Now, obviously, they do not. The Southern Strategy achieved its goal but it backfired worse than they ever could have imagined.
Kevin Phillips wrote:From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/bo ... uthern.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They thought they would win back blacks by talking about economic issues... that has failed spectacularly... because it's ultimately just code words for further marginalization.

According to the architect himself:
Lee Atwater wrote:You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
http://books.google.com/books?id=BfWO5z ... &q&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At least some Republicans are intelligent enough to see this and willing to work towards winning back the black community legitimately. Unfortunately, they are few and far between and most of them have similar views to you. So, Republicans probably won't make significant headway in the black community over the next few decades and electoral math for Republicans will become more and more bleak. :nod:
The head of the Republican National Committee issued a sweeping apology to the NAACP yesterday for a decades-old practice of writing off the black vote and using racial polarization to win elections.

RNC chairman Ken Mehlman said civil rights legislation pushed by President Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, in the 1960s solidified black support for that party for decades and ''we Republicans did not effectively reach out."

''Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," he added. ''I am here as Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rman_says/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But, blacks are "racist" because of the strategy devised by Republicans to isolate and marginalize them?

Bout the dumbest shit I've heard in awhile. :dunce:
That's funny coming from the person who posts the dumbest shit in this forum.

I see how you conveniently left out the greatest marginalization of blacks since the end of slavery...the Democrat Party's own "Great Society" and the creation of the American Welfare State.
Lyndon Johnson wrote:“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”
Lyndon Johnson wrote:“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
Donks love to fawn over Johnson and his "progressive" views on Civil Rights. The facts are that, just like most "progressives", he was a vehement racist. Before the Welfare State strategy was developed, he voted against every single civil rights bill in his 20 years in Congress, and fought tooth and nail against Eisenhower in 1957 and 1960. Eisenhower wanted sweeping reforms, while Johnson watered the bills down as much as possible. Then all of the sudden he does an immediate 180, and becomes the champion of civil rights? :suspicious:

Have to hand it to the racist bastard...it worked. He created generations of poor blacks who became more and more dependent on the government, and Donks, just to survive. :nod:

Donks. :ohno:
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Obama can't be the worst President in the last 120 years when the guy before him was worse.

During Bush's tenure:
the economy went in the tank
we were attacked on 9/11
we invaded a country for no reason
we didn't catch the guy responsible for 9/11

Like JSO, you are a conk with a selective memory.
I think if you've read my comments over the years you will find that every statement I am going to make below is consistent with the outlooks I've always had.

1) The economy went into the tank. I have consistently written that I think people make a mistake by thinking the President of the United States controls the economy. And I've consistently written that I think it's unfortunate that what the economy is doing and has done is such a big factor in who many people vote for during Presidential elections. It's POSSIBLE for a President to screw up the economy. But thinking "the economy took a downturn therefore the President did something wrong" is fallacy as is "The economy is doing well therefore the President is doing a good job."

When the economy took a downturn in 2008 that ended the longest period of economic growth since at least as far back as World War II. It was a period that began about a year and a half before the end of the George H. W. Bush administration then continued through both Clinton Administrations as well as the first George W. Bush Administration then most of the second George W. Bush Administration. The most unusual thing about the scenario is how long the period of uninterrupted growth lasted. And when things went down it did not result in "the worst economy since the great depression." That slogan was and is nonsense. Sure you can pick some measures by which it was "worst." But you can pick others by which it was not. And anybody who lived through what was going on during the late 70s and early 80s while being old enough to comprehend what was going on knows (or should know) that, in toto, the situation with the economy then was worse then than it ever got after the 2008 downturn.

2) We were attacked on 9-11. Does anybody believe that would not have happened if Al Gore had been elected? If somebody like Obama had been President? Clinton? To me "blaming" Bush for that happening during his Administration is close to as bad as blaming him for Katrina and Rita hitting during his Administration.

And since I brought it up yes in hindsight the Administration could have handled Katrina better. But that was an unprecedented event. Nobody had ever dealt with anything like that. FEMA had gotten accolades after the previous hurricane season for handling a series of hurricane impacts really well. But Katrina's impact was well beyond anything like anybody at FEMA had ever seen. I have my doubts about ANY President or ANY FEMA being able to handle that without a lot of glitches given what the experience had been to that point. Now, Katrina gave them pretty darned close to a "worst case" learning experience so they'll probably do better if something like that happens again. And no nothing like that has happened again so far. Sandy wasn't even close in terms of the physical impact.

3) We invaded a country for no reason. Before we even invaded, when that analyst was on TV saying there were no WMDs but most of the world's intelligence agencies were reportedly saying there were, I wrote that it was a decision that had to be made in the face of uncertainty and that the correct decision in terms of addressing such an uncertainty scenario was to invade. There was a need to weigh the benefits and consequences of being right about WMDs being there against the benefits and consequences of being wrong about them in the context of the level of confidence. At the time, by all reports I could see, there was high confidence that Iraq was going to have nuclear weapons within maybe two to five years. I would much rather have a President who decides to do what Bush did given the information at hand at the time than one who would not. I would not want a President who would sit on his hands when all the world's intelligence agencies were telling him that a leader like Saddam Hussein was going to have nuclear weapons in the near future.

4) we didn't catch the guy responsible for 9/11 I don't think it's valid to think that who the President was determined the time at which OBL was terminated. And in this case I don't think it's necessary to explain why I think that because it's so obvious.

I have some big issues with George W. Bush. Like his belief in a big Federal role in K through 12 education and his soft attitude towards illegal immigration. But at the same time he had the most difficult set of problems to deal with of any President of my adult life. Most prominently he had the 9/11 attacks and the Katrina/Rita 1,2, punch to deal with. Obama has had NOTHING anywhere close to either of those things to deal with. And no the 2008 economic downturn does not compare and in any case that is another thing that happened while Bush was still President so the initial response had to be his.

BTW, in my opinion Obama did not handle the BP thing well at all. I think he spent a whole lot more time worrying about controlling and/or pandering to public perception than he did focusing on ways to minimize the real negative impacts. And as a result the thing had more negative impact, particularly in terms of economic impact, than it should have. But since his efforts to control perception resulted in people thinking he did a good job with it maybe there's something to be said for his approach. At least that could be the case from a political standpoint.

And no, in real terms the BP spill was nothing like the Katrina/Rita thing. That oil spill did not do a lot of damage and most of the negative economic impact was due to people thinking things were dangerous when they weren't. And BTW the Obama administration played to that instead of trying to educate people.
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travelinman67 wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
Iraq was a much bigger mistake than any Obama has made so far.

Bush either lied about Iraqi WMD's, or he was incompetent.

Obama sucks, but he's better than Bush.
Obama has failed in every category:

Domestic, economic, foreign policy...you name it. He's unequivocally the worst POTUS in the last 120 years.

He lacked the experience, knowledge and skillset to be POTUS. Bush was no daisy, and you may disagree with his decisions, but he's head and shoulders above Obama.

Another measure...had he not received 95% of ALL African-American vote, we'd be critiquing President McCain.

Oh, yeah...



I guess they would rather keep losing than have to accept black folk. Bad enough they have to associate with them meskins down in Florida. Simple fact is that the nation recognizes the 'pubs for the virulent racists that they are and want no part of their wack job party. I don't think they really want to win anyway. Saves them from having to come up with any new ideas.
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:ugeek:
TheDancinMonarch wrote:Instead or trying to make an argument for which one was worse, why can't we just stipulate that one sucked and the other sucks? Just trying to keep my tenses correct.
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houndawg wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Obama has failed in every category:

Domestic, economic, foreign policy...you name it. He's unequivocally the worst POTUS in the last 120 years.

He lacked the experience, knowledge and skillset to be POTUS. Bush was no daisy, and you may disagree with his decisions, but he's head and shoulders above Obama.

Another measure...had he not received 95% of ALL African-American vote, we'd be critiquing President McCain.

Oh, yeah...



I guess they would rather keep losing than have to accept black folk. Bad enough they have to associate with them meskins down in Florida. Simple fact is that the nation recognizes the 'pubs for the virulent racists that they are and want no part of their wack job party. I don't think they really want to win anyway. Saves them from having to come up with any new ideas.
Every dem I know is a closet racist. The only reason the dems embrace the African-American vote is for survival. The dem/progressive policies of the past 60 years have rubbed MOST Americans wrong, and truth be told, most Hispanics and African-Americans are conservative, but have bought into the dem "marginalized" narrative.

Kinda indicative of dem policy that they have to resort to vote scraping to win elections.
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travelinman67 wrote:
houndawg wrote:



I guess they would rather keep losing than have to accept black folk. Bad enough they have to associate with them meskins down in Florida. Simple fact is that the nation recognizes the 'pubs for the virulent racists that they are and want no part of their wack job party. I don't think they really want to win anyway. Saves them from having to come up with any new ideas.
Every dem I know is a closet racist. The only reason the dems embrace the African-American vote is for survival. The dem/progressive policies of the past 60 years have rubbed MOST Americans wrong, and truth be told, most Hispanics and African-Americans are conservative, but have bought into the dem "marginalized" narrative.

Kinda indicative of dem policy that they have to resort to vote scraping to win elections.
1) You don't know any dems

2) a very good point which bolsters the case that the 'pubs don't want nobody that ain't white, regardless of their politics. :coffee:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
travelinman67 wrote: 2. When 95% of an ethnic demograph vote for one candidate, who happens to belong to the same ethnicity, by definition, they're racist.
It was a deliberate strategy by Republicans in the 60s, 70s, and 80s - win over the southern states by appealing to white southerners and alienating the black vote. It worked marvelously.

Democrats controlled much of the South in the early 60s (see: Solid South). Now, obviously, they do not. The Southern Strategy achieved its goal but it backfired worse than they ever could have imagined.
Kevin Phillips wrote:From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/bo ... uthern.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They thought they would win back blacks by talking about economic issues... that has failed spectacularly... because it's ultimately just code words for further marginalization.

According to the architect himself:
Lee Atwater wrote:You start out in 1954 by saying, "n*****, n*****, n*****." By 1968 you can't say "n*****" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "n*****, n*****."
http://books.google.com/books?id=BfWO5z ... &q&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At least some Republicans are intelligent enough to see this and willing to work towards winning back the black community legitimately. Unfortunately, they are few and far between and most of them have similar views to you. So, Republicans probably won't make significant headway in the black community over the next few decades and electoral math for Republicans will become more and more bleak. :nod:
The head of the Republican National Committee issued a sweeping apology to the NAACP yesterday for a decades-old practice of writing off the black vote and using racial polarization to win elections.

RNC chairman Ken Mehlman said civil rights legislation pushed by President Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, in the 1960s solidified black support for that party for decades and ''we Republicans did not effectively reach out."

''Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," he added. ''I am here as Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... rman_says/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But, blacks are "racist" because of the strategy devised by Republicans to isolate and marginalize them?

Bout the dumbest **** I've heard in awhile. :dunce:
This shows how desperate they are.
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houndawg wrote:
travelinman67 wrote: I

Every dem I know is a closet racist. The only reason the dems embrace the African-American vote is for survival. The dem/progressive policies of the past 60 years have rubbed MOST Americans wrong, and truth be told, most Hispanics and African-Americans are conservative, but have bought into the dem "marginalized" narrative.

Kinda indicative of dem policy that they have to resort to vote scraping to win elections.
1) You don't know any dems

2) a very good point which bolsters the case that the 'pubs don't want nobody that ain't white, regardless of their politics. :coffee:
About half my friends are lifelong dems.

You're nuts.
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travelinman67 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
1) You don't know any dems

2) a very good point which bolsters the case that the 'pubs don't want nobody that ain't white, regardless of their politics. :coffee:
About half my friends are lifelong dems.

You're nuts.
So what you are saying is that half of your friends are closet racists. You are the company that you keep.
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travelinman67 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Bush didn't?




Sorry the Southern Strategy isn't panning out too well for y'all. :( Will take decades for the Republican Party to fix that blunder.
1. No, Bush didn't.
2. When 95% of an ethnic demograph vote for one candidate, who happens to belong to the same ethnicity, by definition, they're racist.
Glad you find amusing. Personally, I'm ashamed .
Wrong as usual. Romney got a couple of million black votes. You're confusing class with race. :coffee:
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BlueHen86 wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
About half my friends are lifelong dems.

You're nuts.
So what you are saying is that half of your friends are closet racists. You are the company that you keep.
:lol:

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BlueHen86 wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
About half my friends are lifelong dems.

You're nuts.
So what you are saying is that half of your friends are closet racists. You are the company that you keep.
Following your logic, you must hang with simpletons.
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houndawg wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
1. No, Bush didn't.
2. When 95% of an ethnic demograph vote for one candidate, who happens to belong to the same ethnicity, by definition, they're racist.
Glad you find amusing. Personally, I'm ashamed .
Wrong as usual. Romney got a couple of million black votes. You're confusing class with race. :coffee:
Why are Donks always wrong?

Do your homework. Klam, er, Densedawg...

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travelinman67 wrote:...Every dem I know is a closet racist...
travelinman67 wrote:...About half my friends are lifelong dems...
BlueHen86 wrote:So what you are saying is that half of your friends are closet racists. You are the company that you keep.
travelinman67 wrote:Following your logic, you must hang with simpletons.
Nice. Stay classy there you self admitted closet racist.
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travelinman67 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Bush didn't?




Sorry the Southern Strategy isn't panning out too well for y'all. :( Will take decades for the Republican Party to fix that blunder.
1. No, Bush didn't.
2. When 95% of an ethnic demograph vote for one candidate, who happens to belong to the same ethnicity, by definition, they're racist.
Glad you find amusing. Personally, I'm ashamed .
Where did you get that definition? :suspicious:
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I love all the libs that say "racist" like its a bad thing.
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I've said it before, but I met Cheney a few times while he was VP.

Cold man. Intimidating. Very business-like, but in an "American Psycho" type of way. It's not fair to judge him based on a few short encounters, but he's one of those people that simply doesn't sit well with you...a gut feeling sort of thing.
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