US captures alledged Libyan ringleader of Benghazi attack

[kalm]

There are plenty of people who felt Iraq was a bad idea from the start and there are numerous reasons why. It's not Monday Morning quarterbacking when you were right from the start. You were wrong from the start but it's good that you begrudgingly accept that now, just like once the deal was under way I hoped that I was wrong and that Bush could create a bulkhead in the Middle East to maintain stability from. That's the reason we went there.

There were people who didn't want to invade Iraq, but there was so much US bloodlust post 9/11 many people could have been convinced that invading Canada was a good idea. BDK is right regarding the reported "intelligence" that had been out for years over several administrations that WMD's were likely if not real. I never really got the whole "axis of evil" deal when we knew that NoKo, Iran, or Iraq weren't involved but that's unfortunately water under the bridge at this point. Putting a few more craters in Saudi Arabia would have been more fitting given 20/20 hindsight. It was a wake up call for many of us that the US/UK intelligence communities weren't quite as all-knowing as we'd assumed.

We use to walk past a neighbors garden with an electric fence when I was a kid. We had all heard intelligence from older siblings that peeing on it was a good idea. Little Bobby Callaway was the only one stupid enough to try...

[GannonFan]

Back to the original topic-

This actually was not the first arrest in the Benghazi case. (This dude couldn't have been very important because he was freely hanging out in cafes and giving interviews to major news media outlets for the last 21 months.)


The first arrest in this case was in Cerritos, CA when they locked up the dude who made the video that caused Benghazi in the first place.

I see what you did there - good stuff.

[Baldy]

Its easy to sit there and play Monday morning quarterback. Given what is known now and what has transpired, I think the invasion was a bad idea and we shouldn't have done it. Given what was reportedly known THEN by the US and every allied intelligence agency in W Europe and the Mid East yes I supported the invasion. The post major combat operations certainly weren't carried out well.

There are plenty of people who felt Iraq was a bad idea from the start and there are numerous reasons why. It's not Monday Morning quarterbacking when you were right from the start. You were wrong from the start but it's good that you begrudgingly accept that now, just like once the deal was under way I hoped that I was wrong and that Bush could create a bulkhead in the Middle East to maintain stability from. That's the reason we went there.

Kinda like you voting for Obama in 2008, right?

[kalm]

There are plenty of people who felt Iraq was a bad idea from the start and there are numerous reasons why. It's not Monday Morning quarterbacking when you were right from the start. You were wrong from the start but it's good that you begrudgingly accept that now, just like once the deal was under way I hoped that I was wrong and that Bush could create a bulkhead in the Middle East to maintain stability from. That's the reason we went there.

Kinda like you voting for Obama in 2008, right?

Yep. Regretted that one.

[kalm]

Kinda like you voting for Obama in 2008, right?

Yep. Regretted that one.

Unlike the conks, you don't see me running around claiming if do it again.

[dbackjon]

Nice parroting of Fox Noise.

The Dems voted to authorize an invasion if certain conditions were met - they weren't - the Bush Admin LIED to Congress.

It is really, really simple to understand.

Jon, Jon, Jon. I'm not parroting anyone, especially a biased news org. like Fox. It's the simple truth. The dems voted to authorize an invasion. You can't ignore it b/c you have a raging hard-on for Obama. You really shouldn't be so biased and intolerant (especially since you lambaste others for being biased and intolerant).

You seem to have a problem with history. Learn actual facts.

[dbackjon]

So you supported one of the biggest military blunders in our nation's history and even now can't admit it was wrong. I don't know whether Bush lied or not but remind me again how many times Xheney visited the CIA? How about that Curve Ball fella? What about the strategy meetings before 9/11?

Never mind...no sense in going back over it all again....it's time to invade Iraq!

Its easy to sit there and play Monday morning quarterback. Given what is known now and what has transpired, I think the invasion was a bad idea and we shouldn't have done it. Given what was reportedly known THEN by the US and every allied intelligence agency in W Europe and the Mid East yes I supported the invasion. The post major combat operations certainly weren't carried out well.

Nice coverup. Most of the intelligent people in the world knew this was BS. And most intelligence agencies knew that Saddam was no threat.


Once we removed Saddam, nothing short of a permanent 100K occupation force would have come close to keeping the peace.

[dbackjon]

There are plenty of people who felt Iraq was a bad idea from the start and there are numerous reasons why. It's not Monday Morning quarterbacking when you were right from the start. You were wrong from the start but it's good that you begrudgingly accept that now, just like once the deal was under way I hoped that I was wrong and that Bush could create a bulkhead in the Middle East to maintain stability from. That's the reason we went there.

Kinda like you voting for Obama in 2008, right?

Yeah, McCain would have done so much better... We'd have the draft back to populate all the War President Songbird would have started.


Now there is one POW that we shouldn't have traded for.

[ASUG8]

The only way McCain would have done worse would be if he died in office putting Palin in charge. Heck, Biden doesn't look like such a clown as next in line as he did a couple of years ago based on the last few years.

[BDKJMU]

Its easy to sit there and play Monday morning quarterback. Given what is known now and what has transpired, I think the invasion was a bad idea and we shouldn't have done it. Given what was reportedly known THEN by the US and every allied intelligence agency in W Europe and the Mid East yes I supported the invasion. The post major combat operations certainly weren't carried out well.

Nice coverup. Most of the intelligent people in the world knew this was BS. And most intelligence agencies knew that Saddam was no threat.


Once we removed Saddam, nothing short of a permanent 100K occupation force would have come close to keeping the peace.

BS on both...

[houndawg]

Saddam fvcked up when he tried to decouple his oil from the dollar. Up until then he was our boy.

[travelinman67]

The only way McCain would have done worse would be if he died in office putting Palin in charge.

Meh...Palin would have been a good President...

...compared to her successor...

...President Harry Reid!

[Skjellyfetti]

Meh...Palin would have been a good President...

...compared to her successor...

...President Harry Reid!

Speaker of the House

Majority leader of the Senate is nowhere on the line of succession.

[travelinman67]

Meh...Palin would have been a good President...

...compared to her successor...

...President Harry Reid!

Speaker of the House

Majority leader of the Senate is nowhere on the line of succession.

You are correct, my mistake. That changes things drastically...

...President Nancy Pelosi!

[Skjellyfetti]

Or Boehner

[kalm]

Bush…releasing future terrorists...

"U.S. officials" tell the Washington Post that Abu Sufian bin Qumu, a Libyan jihadi leader held as an enemy combatant at Guantanamo Bay after the 9/11 attacks, assisted in the attack on an American consulate in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other U.S. citizens.

Qumu—who runs an Islamic militia several hours outside Benghazi—reportedly trained and lived with Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda operatives in the 90s before fighting the U.S. in Afghanistan after the 2001 invasion. He was caught in Pakistan and sent to Gitmo, where he was known as Prisoner 557.

Qumu had a personality disorder, untreated tuberculosis, and "a long-term association with Islamic extremist jihad and members of Al Qaeda," according to leaked military records. Even as authorities pondered his release from Gitmo, the military dossier on Qumu had called him "a MEDIUM to HIGH risk, as he is likely to pose a threat to the U.S., its interests and allies." He left Cuba and was placed in Libyan custody in 2007.

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[travelinman67]

Bush…releasing future terrorists...

"U.S. officials" tell the Washington Post that Abu Sufian bin Qumu, a Libyan jihadi leader held as an enemy combatant at Guantanamo Bay after the 9/11 attacks, assisted in the attack on an American consulate in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other U.S. citizens.

Qumu—who runs an Islamic militia several hours outside Benghazi—reportedly trained and lived with Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda operatives in the 90s before fighting the U.S. in Afghanistan after the 2001 invasion. He was caught in Pakistan and sent to Gitmo, where he was known as Prisoner 557.

Qumu had a personality disorder, untreated tuberculosis, and "a long-term association with Islamic extremist jihad and members of Al Qaeda," according to leaked military records. Even as authorities pondered his release from Gitmo, the military dossier on Qumu had called him "a MEDIUM to HIGH risk, as he is likely to pose a threat to the U.S., its interests and allies." He left Cuba and was placed in Libyan custody in 2007.

http://gawker.com/ex-gitmo-detainee-rel ... 1496800780" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[89Hen]

Kinda like you voting for Obama in 2008, right?

Yeah, McCain would have done so much better... We'd have the draft back to populate all the War President Songbird would have started.


Now there is one POW that we shouldn't have traded for.

[CID1990]

Saddam fvcked up when he tried to decouple his oil from the dollar. Up until then he was our boy.

find your own oversimplified conspiracy

that one belongs to Chitz

check with Spanny he has a few extra ones laying around

[CID1990]

Bush…releasing future terrorists...

"U.S. officials" tell the Washington Post that Abu Sufian bin Qumu, a Libyan jihadi leader held as an enemy combatant at Guantanamo Bay after the 9/11 attacks, assisted in the attack on an American consulate in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other U.S. citizens.

Qumu—who runs an Islamic militia several hours outside Benghazi—reportedly trained and lived with Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda operatives in the 90s before fighting the U.S. in Afghanistan after the 2001 invasion. He was caught in Pakistan and sent to Gitmo, where he was known as Prisoner 557.

Qumu had a personality disorder, untreated tuberculosis, and "a long-term association with Islamic extremist jihad and members of Al Qaeda," according to leaked military records. Even as authorities pondered his release from Gitmo, the military dossier on Qumu had called him "a MEDIUM to HIGH risk, as he is likely to pose a threat to the U.S., its interests and allies." He left Cuba and was placed in Libyan custody in 2007.

http://gawker.com/ex-gitmo-detainee-rel ... 1496800780" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow!

Wonder where all the pressure came from to release guys like this? Are you saying that if Bushitler McCheneyburton and his eeeeevil neocon minions were left totally alone this guy would still have been released?

Seems like he was under wraps in the arms of an increasingly cooperative dictator- until we decided two failed states werent enough and had to create another.

[GannonFan]

Yeah, McCain would have done so much better... We'd have the draft back to populate all the War President Songbird would have started.


Now there is one POW that we shouldn't have traded for.

I agree, this one was in pretty bad taste, even for these boards.

[CID1990]

I agree, this one was in pretty bad taste, even for these boards.

consider the source

they all HATE the military and anyone who has served or currently serves

every now and then the true colors peep through- regardless of the behavior they have been shamed into exhibiting for the last 15-20 years.

oh for the good ol days when you could go down to the airport and spit on soldiers coming home

[kalm]

Bush…releasing future terrorists...


http://gawker.com/ex-gitmo-detainee-rel ... 1496800780" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow!

Wonder where all the pressure came from to release guys like this? Are you saying that if Bushitler McCheneyburton and his eeeeevil neocon minions were left totally alone this guy would still have been released?

Seems like he was under wraps in the arms of an increasingly cooperative dictator- until we decided two failed states werent enough and had to create another.

Yeah, because Bush and Cheney were constantly pushed around by the left…especially during the lame duck period. You're right, definitely Obama's fault.

[CID1990]

Wow!

Wonder where all the pressure came from to release guys like this? Are you saying that if Bushitler McCheneyburton and his eeeeevil neocon minions were left totally alone this guy would still have been released?

Seems like he was under wraps in the arms of an increasingly cooperative dictator- until we decided two failed states werent enough and had to create another.

Yeah, because Bush and Cheney were constantly pushed around by the left…especially during the lame duck period. You're right, definitely Obama's fault.

Nobody said anything about Obama.

So answer this question-

Do you think that given their druthers- the Bush admin would have released ANY of the prisoners in Gitmo?

If you want to play the "Bush did it too" game like the rest of the moonbats then be prepared to have to actually use a little bit of intellectual honesty

i know its hard but you can do it

[kalm]

Yeah, because Bush and Cheney were constantly pushed around by the left…especially during the lame duck period. You're right, definitely Obama's fault.

Nobody said anything about Obama.

So answer this question-

Do you think that given their druthers- the Bush admin would have released ANY of the prisoners in Gitmo?

If you want to play the "Bush did it too" game like the rest of the moonbats then be prepared to have to actually use a little bit of intellectual honesty

i know its hard but you can do it

Sorry I thought the two failed states was a reference to Obama.

I'm all for intellectual honesty two. So who made Bush release this guy? How did they do that? Where was the outrage then and where is the outrage now?