Iraq to US - please come back

[BlueHen86]

Who would we have struck in Syria, the Assad regime or the same ISIS group that is now marching toward Bagdhad? Perhaps we can count on the Iranians to keep them in check.



Can we all agree now that invading Iraq is up there as one of the worst decisions made by any US President ever?

I'll just leave this here for you and Bluehen86.
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Invading Iraq is one of the dumbest decisions ever made. Bush was the President who made the call, but the Dems aren't off the hook either. Most of them voted for the invasion.

Bush I had it right. Removing Saddam was worse than letting him stay. Sad that nobody in DC learned that.

[SDHornet]

I think we may have done some limited airstrikes in Syria and we'd probably still be in Iraq and less so in Afghanistan under McCain. I don't think he's as hawkish as all that - we've lost nearly 3x the troops in Afghanistan under this administration than the prior one. We're out of Iraq, moved the troops a couple of doors down, and are watching the vacuum we created get filled by ISIS.

Would we be worse off under McCain? It's really hard to say.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/a6yqr ... about-iraq

Exactly.

[BDKJMU]

The news in the coming weeks could be that US air power is providing cover for Iranian ground troops as we fight together to save Baghdad.

Strange days have found us.

The only strange thing is that it usually takes longer for friends to become enemies and enemies to become friends in the middle east.

ISIS is opposed by Iran, Syria, the Syrian rebels, and Al Qaeda.

There truly are no allies or enemies, there are only interests.

True with Iran & Syrian rebels. Wrong on Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda in Iraq is now known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS). ISIS is Al-Qaeda.

[kalm]

The only strange thing is that it usually takes longer for friends to become enemies and enemies to become friends in the middle east.

ISIS is opposed by Iran, Syria, the Syrian rebels, and Al Qaeda.

There truly are no allies or enemies, there are only interests.

True with Iran & Syrian rebels. Wrong on Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda in Iraq is now known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS). ISIS is Al-Qaeda.

From what I understand, it's a little more complicated than that. I've read several times that ISIS and AQ parted ways and that the Syrian rebels and ISIS are pretty much one in the same.

It's tough to keep all these douchebags straight.
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[kalm]

I think we may have done some limited airstrikes in Syria and we'd probably still be in Iraq and less so in Afghanistan under McCain. I don't think he's as hawkish as all that - we've lost nearly 3x the troops in Afghanistan under this administration than the prior one. We're out of Iraq, moved the troops a couple of doors down, and are watching the vacuum we created get filled by ISIS.

Would we be worse off under McCain? It's really hard to say.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/a6yqr ... about-iraq

Sure, Dems voted for it and they deserve to be flamed too, but the level of at best willful ignorance by the Krystols and Wolfowitz's of the world then and now is truly breathtaking. Then there's Graham and McCain who literally have zero grasp even of who's who in the region and what's going on. Wow.

Another example of why the Daily Show is a better source for news than the msm. I need to start watching it again.

[Chizzang]

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/a6yqr ... about-iraq

There's not a single Republican or Conservative on this site that will watch that clip... NOT ONE

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/a6yqr ... about-iraq

There's not a single Republican or Conservative on this site that will watch that clip... NOT ONE

I'd rather punch Stewart in the cunt than listen to him talk.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Seems like it wasn't that long ago that people were all over George H. Bush about stopping the war in Iraq.................

We have such an investment in time, money, blood and effort that is really pisses me off that we willing to just walk away and say, "oh well, we gave it a try." That aint what our forefathers said. I certainly don't have an answer as to how to solve it but doing nothing is not an option either.

[Grizalltheway]

Seems like it wasn't that long ago that people were all over George H. Bush about stopping the war in Iraq.................

We have such an investment in time, money, blood and effort that is really pisses me off that we willing to just walk away and say, "oh well, we gave it a try." That aint what our forefathers said. I certainly don't have an answer as to how to solve it but doing nothing is not an option either.

Oh jeez...please don't start this.

[BlueHen86]

Seems like it wasn't that long ago that people were all over George H. Bush about stopping the war in Iraq.................

We have such an investment in time, money, blood and effort that is really pisses me off that we willing to just walk away and say, "oh well, we gave it a try." That aint what our forefathers said. I certainly don't have an answer as to how to solve it but doing nothing is not an option either.

This post couldn't be more wrong. The current investment of time and money, not to mention lives, is a sunk cost. It's time to get out. If the founding fathers wanted us to stay they would have written it into the bill of rights.

[kalm]

Seems like it wasn't that long ago that people were all over George H. Bush about stopping the war in Iraq.................

We have such an investment in time, money, blood and effort that is really pisses me off that we willing to just walk away and say, "oh well, we gave it a try." That aint what our forefathers said. I certainly don't have an answer as to how to solve it but doing nothing is not an option either.

This post couldn't be more wrong. The current investment of time and money, not to mention lives, is a sunk cost. It's time to get out. If the founding fathers wanted us to stay they would have written it into the bill of rights.

I'm guessing GFSU served in Iraq. If I was in his shoes I can't say that I wouldn't have exact same sentiment.

[CitadelGrad]

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/a6yqr ... about-iraq

There's not a single Republican or Conservative on this site that will watch that clip... NOT ONE

I'm not a Republican or a conservative, but I watched it.

It's the same ol' lame Stewart bullshit. I don't really fault Stewart for having a schtick that keeps him employed and financially comfortable. I do fault the fucktards who think Stewart is a legitimate news source.

[kalm]

There's not a single Republican or Conservative on this site that will watch that clip... NOT ONE

I'm not a Republican or a conservative, but I watched it.

It's the same ol' lame Stewart bullshit. I don't really fault Stewart for having a schtick that keeps him employed and financially comfortable. I do fault the fucktards who think Stewart is a legitimate news source.

He's infotainment just like Fox and MSNBC...but typically more informative.

[DSUrocks07]

Seems like it wasn't that long ago that people were all over George H. Bush about stopping the war in Iraq.................

We have such an investment in time, money, blood and effort that is really pisses me off that we willing to just walk away and say, "oh well, we gave it a try." That aint what our forefathers said. I certainly don't have an answer as to how to solve it but doing nothing is not an option either.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

This post couldn't be more wrong. The current investment of time and money, not to mention lives, is a sunk cost. It's time to get out. If the founding fathers wanted us to stay they would have written it into the bill of rights.

I'm guessing GFSU served in Iraq. If I was in his shoes I can't say that I wouldn't have exact same sentiment.

I did serve in Desert Shield/Storm but I am trying to look at it objectively. I have a son that deployed to Afghanistan as well so sometimes it is hard to do that. For me it is that exact investment in time, time spent missing birthdays, anniversaries, stressing families that bothers me the most. I've gone and helped out families that have a family member deployed, they pay a price. I went to a party just the other night where we handed out comfort bears to a local unit's family that just deployed. For some of us, these wars are not already forgotten and we still have people deployed.

I am also not saying we need to put boots back on the ground yet, I don't know what the right answer is. We need to weigh the pros/cons of any and all options and not make this a Repub/Demo issue. I don't profess to be an expert in foreign affairs but what I am saying is, we have a huge investment and how do you look the people in the eye that paid that price and say sorry we wasted your time and lives. I am anxiously waiting for a plan, any plan. We can't just do nothing, that is the one option we can't leave on the table. I really do not want Obama to fail on this, I really don't.

[kalm]

I'm guessing GFSU served in Iraq. If I was in his shoes I can't say that I wouldn't have exact same sentiment.

I did serve in Desert Shield/Storm but I am trying to look at it objectively. I have a son that deployed to Afghanistan as well so sometimes it is hard to do that. For me it is that exact investment in time, time spent missing birthdays, anniversaries, stressing families that bothers me the most. I've gone and helped out families that have a family member deployed, they pay a price. I went to a party just the other night where we handed out comfort bears to a local unit's family that just deployed. For some of us, these wars are not already forgotten and we still have people deployed.

I am also not saying we need to put boots back on the ground yet, I don't know what the right answer is. We need to weigh the pros/cons of any and all options and not make this a Repub/Demo issue. I don't profess to be an expert in foreign affairs but what I am saying is, we have a huge investment and how do you look the people in the eye that paid that price and say sorry we wasted your time and lives. I am anxiously waiting for a plan, any plan. We can't just do nothing, that is the one option we can't leave on the table. I really do not want Obama to fail on this, I really don't.

Thank you for your families service. You're a good dude.

[Ibanez]

Iraq 3.0 is nothing more than a staging ground for the invasion of Iran.

[Ibanez]

I'm guessing GFSU served in Iraq. If I was in his shoes I can't say that I wouldn't have exact same sentiment.

I did serve in Desert Shield/Storm but I am trying to look at it objectively. I have a son that deployed to Afghanistan as well so sometimes it is hard to do that. For me it is that exact investment in time, time spent missing birthdays, anniversaries, stressing families that bothers me the most. I've gone and helped out families that have a family member deployed, they pay a price. I went to a party just the other night where we handed out comfort bears to a local unit's family that just deployed. For some of us, these wars are not already forgotten and we still have people deployed.

I am also not saying we need to put boots back on the ground yet, I don't know what the right answer is. We need to weigh the pros/cons of any and all options and not make this a Repub/Demo issue. I don't profess to be an expert in foreign affairs but what I am saying is, we have a huge investment and how do you look the people in the eye that paid that price and say sorry we wasted your time and lives. I am anxiously waiting for a plan, any plan. We can't just do nothing, that is the one option we can't leave on the table. I really do not want Obama to fail on this, I really don't.

Well said. Only an asshole would actually want the United State to fail at this.

[travelinman67]

Get a signed mutual aid agreement from Maliki.

Use Turkey as FOB

Fill the northern Iraq skies with as many C130's, Apaches and Drones as can fit in the airspace at night. Lay waste to everything/one within 10' of a weapon. Begin the strikes on a Thursday night and continue them for four continuous nights (...the press sleeps from Fri. until Monday, by Tuesday, the mission will be finished). Establish a phalanx along the Syrian border to prevent use of reinforcements and to prevent escape.

Obama can instruct his lapdog MSM to ignore the carnage.

Next

[CID1990]

Get a signed mutual aid agreement from Maliki.

Use Turkey as FOB

Fill the northern Iraq skies with as many C130's, Apaches and Drones as can fit in the airspace at night. Lay waste to everything/one within 10' of a weapon. Begin the strikes on a Thursday night and continue them for four continuous nights (...the press sleeps from Fri. until Monday, by Tuesday, the mission will be finished). Establish a phalanx along the Syrian border to prevent use of reinforcements and to prevent escape.

Obama can instruct his lapdog MSM to ignore the carnage.

Next

dude

Clitz sez we cant use Hellfires against pedestrians

[BlueHen86]

I'm guessing GFSU served in Iraq. If I was in his shoes I can't say that I wouldn't have exact same sentiment.

I did serve in Desert Shield/Storm but I am trying to look at it objectively. I have a son that deployed to Afghanistan as well so sometimes it is hard to do that. For me it is that exact investment in time, time spent missing birthdays, anniversaries, stressing families that bothers me the most. I've gone and helped out families that have a family member deployed, they pay a price. I went to a party just the other night where we handed out comfort bears to a local unit's family that just deployed. For some of us, these wars are not already forgotten and we still have people deployed.

I am also not saying we need to put boots back on the ground yet, I don't know what the right answer is. We need to weigh the pros/cons of any and all options and not make this a Repub/Demo issue. I don't profess to be an expert in foreign affairs but what I am saying is, we have a huge investment and how do you look the people in the eye that paid that price and say sorry we wasted your time and lives. I am anxiously waiting for a plan, any plan. We can't just do nothing, that is the one option we can't leave on the table. I really do not want Obama to fail on this, I really don't.

Thanks for your service, and for the service of your family.

The right answer is to get the hell out. Some fights aren't winnable, and this is one of them.

The people who served didn't waste their time and lives. They did their job well and can be proud. The politicians failed when they started a war that didn't need to be started. The military performed admirably.

[Ivytalk]

Many liberal pundits, like WashPo's Ruth Marcus, are faulting Obama for his almost pathological detachment regarding Middle Eastern issues -- Iraq most recently, but Syria and Iran in this calendar year. Obummer is attending tony fundraisers and giving speeches on climate change while the world burns. He retreats from the exercise of the Chief Executive's clearest Constitutional powers -- those of Commander in Chief -- while extending his flagrantly unconstitutional approach to domestic governance by administrative fiat. I guess Americans get the leadership they deserve, but I take no joy in this. The guy is a disaster.

[kalm]

Many liberal pundits, like WashPo's Ruth Marcus, are faulting Obama for his almost pathological detachment regarding Middle Eastern issues -- Iraq most recently, but Syria and Iran in this calendar year. Obummer is attending tony fundraisers and giving speeches on climate change while the world burns. He retreats from the exercise of the Chief Executive's clearest Constitutional powers -- those of Commander in Chief -- while extending his flagrantly unconstitutional approach to domestic governance by administrative fiat. I guess Americans get the leadership they deserve, but I take no joy in this. The guy is a disaster.

What should he be doing?

[CID1990]

Many liberal pundits, like WashPo's Ruth Marcus, are faulting Obama for his almost pathological detachment regarding Middle Eastern issues -- Iraq most recently, but Syria and Iran in this calendar year. Obummer is attending tony fundraisers and giving speeches on climate change while the world burns. He retreats from the exercise of the Chief Executive's clearest Constitutional powers -- those of Commander in Chief -- while extending his flagrantly unconstitutional approach to domestic governance by administrative fiat. I guess Americans get the leadership they deserve, but I take no joy in this. The guy is a disaster.

What should he be doing?

What IS he doing?

[CitadelGrad]

What should he be doing?

What IS he doing?

Attending fundraisers, playing golf, making abstract speeches and covering up scandals.

Seems like a full plate to me. Anyway, he's above all of that mundane and tedious governing stuff.