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My prediction? Neither the Bison nor the Eagles win the title this year. :coffee:
College football annuals have hit the newsstand, and no matter the source (even any Joe Fan's unoffficial website), it appears Eastern Washington is the pick to win the FCS national title this season, and not the three-time defending champion North Dakota State Bison.

Even those who enjoy the fun of knee-jerk reaction, as In the FCS Huddle did just three days after NDSU was fitted for the 2013 crown (http://tinyurl.com/q8cp5x8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) in early January, placed the target on Eastern Washington's back.

Come Jan. 3, 2015, the talk won't matter and the championship answer will be determined where it should be - on the field, and in this case, in Frisco, Texas (some may call it Bisonville South).

But one of the good questions going into the season is, shouldn't North Dakota State be the top-ranked team, and not Eastern Washington, or any other team, for that matter?

It creates interesting debate, especially one the national panel that comprises The Sports Network FCS Top 25 will be asked about in its preseason poll, which will be released in just over two months.

Many voters, and fans across the FCS, will say that until some team knocks North Dakota State off its perch, the Bison should remain No. 1, just as they were last season from the preseason poll on through a 15-0 campaign.

It's hard to argue against that logic.

Until, that is, you debate what a preseason poll is really about.

When voting within a season, you obviously can base the selections on what has happened leading up to the vote. If Team A from the FCS handles an FBS team and Team B squeaks by a sub-Division I team, the results are fairly concrete and can't be ignored.

But voters stepping up to the starter's line of a preseason poll can't process any weekly results. They know what happened the previous season and what they suspect about the upcoming season.

So while the word "preseason" may throw off some people, the voters should be taking a shot at how they believe the season will end.

In the case of the FCS, a No. 1 vote in the preseason should go to the team that voters say will win the national championship.

Make no mistake, North Dakota State has the chance for a four-peat this season. Sure, the Missouri Valley power lost a ton in a 24-player senior class as well as head coach Craig Bohl. But the defense will still be outstanding and there's quiet confidence that Carson Wentz will step in and do a credible job replacing the winningest quarterback in FCS history, Brock Jensen. Plus, the running game will be bruising again.

The last team to defeat the Bison in the playoffs was Eastern Washington in overtime in the 2010 national quarterfinals as the Eagles were on their way to their first FCS championship.

This year's EWU squad features the 2013 Walter Payton Award runner-up in quarterback Vernon Adams and a wide receiver, Cooper Kupp, who won the Jerry Rice Award as a freshman, as well as a plethora of other standouts. So there's no denying the Big Sky power could have the best team.

Someone may feel the same way about Southeastern Louisiana out of the Southland Conference, or some other team. But whatever team he or she believes will win the 2014 FCS title deserves the No. 1 vote going into the season.

It's the time of year that one has to live in the future, not necessarily the past or present.
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Re: Should NDSU Be Ranked #1?

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Until they lose their first game, I think the Bison deserve to be ranked #1.
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I think the better question would be, if not them, then who is #1? I don't have a problem with them coming in at #1 at all but I am kind of hoping someone else will knock them off their block before the end of September. :D
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I have no problem with them being #1 at this point.
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AZGrizFan wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/06/0 ... p=HPBucket

My prediction? Neither the Bison nor the Eagles win the title this year. :coffee:
College football annuals have hit the newsstand, and no matter the source (even any Joe Fan's unoffficial website), it appears Eastern Washington is the pick to win the FCS national title this season, and not the three-time defending champion North Dakota State Bison.

Even those who enjoy the fun of knee-jerk reaction, as In the FCS Huddle did just three days after NDSU was fitted for the 2013 crown (http://tinyurl.com/q8cp5x8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) in early January, placed the target on Eastern Washington's back.

Come Jan. 3, 2015, the talk won't matter and the championship answer will be determined where it should be - on the field, and in this case, in Frisco, Texas (some may call it Bisonville South).

But one of the good questions going into the season is, shouldn't North Dakota State be the top-ranked team, and not Eastern Washington, or any other team, for that matter?

It creates interesting debate, especially one the national panel that comprises The Sports Network FCS Top 25 will be asked about in its preseason poll, which will be released in just over two months.

Many voters, and fans across the FCS, will say that until some team knocks North Dakota State off its perch, the Bison should remain No. 1, just as they were last season from the preseason poll on through a 15-0 campaign.

It's hard to argue against that logic.

Until, that is, you debate what a preseason poll is really about.

When voting within a season, you obviously can base the selections on what has happened leading up to the vote. If Team A from the FCS handles an FBS team and Team B squeaks by a sub-Division I team, the results are fairly concrete and can't be ignored.

But voters stepping up to the starter's line of a preseason poll can't process any weekly results. They know what happened the previous season and what they suspect about the upcoming season.

So while the word "preseason" may throw off some people, the voters should be taking a shot at how they believe the season will end.

In the case of the FCS, a No. 1 vote in the preseason should go to the team that voters say will win the national championship.

Make no mistake, North Dakota State has the chance for a four-peat this season. Sure, the Missouri Valley power lost a ton in a 24-player senior class as well as head coach Craig Bohl. But the defense will still be outstanding and there's quiet confidence that Carson Wentz will step in and do a credible job replacing the winningest quarterback in FCS history, Brock Jensen. Plus, the running game will be bruising again.

The last team to defeat the Bison in the playoffs was Eastern Washington in overtime in the 2010 national quarterfinals as the Eagles were on their way to their first FCS championship.

This year's EWU squad features the 2013 Walter Payton Award runner-up in quarterback Vernon Adams and a wide receiver, Cooper Kupp, who won the Jerry Rice Award as a freshman, as well as a plethora of other standouts. So there's no denying the Big Sky power could have the best team.

Someone may feel the same way about Southeastern Louisiana out of the Southland Conference, or some other team. But whatever team he or she believes will win the 2014 FCS title deserves the No. 1 vote going into the season.

It's the time of year that one has to live in the future, not necessarily the past or present.
I won't be putting them at #1 in my AGS ballot.

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I have no problem with them being number 1 and admit I haven't paid attention enough to know if they should be, but I don't agree with the philosophy of until someone beats the champ they are number 1. Things change and reasonable people can come to different conclusions.
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Normally I'd say yes, but 24 seniors and the HC gone... I would have no problem with somebody not having them #1. The reward for winning the NC is the NC, not a #1 ranking the following year.
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89Hen wrote:Normally I'd say yes, but 24 seniors and the HC gone... I would have no problem with somebody not having them #1. The reward for winning the NC is the NC, not a #1 ranking the following year.
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Under normal circumstances, the champ goes into the next season #1. As 89 notes, however, these are clearly NOT normal circumstances for NDSU. In their favor, they're on a roll. Against them are the loss of the HC and the toll graduation took on them. I'm still inclined to start them off at #1 on the basis that those seniors had trained understudies. If they promoted from within (that's probably already been discussed here, but I missed it), that perceived continuity would be lend credence to the #1 ranking. If they hired from outside, there will understandably be a period (however short) of dropoff as the crew adjusts to new philosophies, techniques, and schemes. In THAT case, dropping them down would make sense. The hit will NOT be enough, though, to prevent the Bison from making noise this year. They should still make the playoffs easily enough.

As far as a replacement goes, EWU is probably about as good a choice as any, particularly with Vernon Adams returning. (Why I thought he, too, was graduating, I couldn't tell you.) Schools like CCU, Liberty, Stony Brook, the Montanas, and the like will also be in the mix. We might even get my Hornets into the conversation. Who knows? But for now, the two teams that seem to be a cut above the rest are NDSU and EWU....
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SuperHornet wrote:Under normal circumstances, the champ goes into the next season #1. As 89 notes, however, these are clearly NOT normal circumstances for NDSU. In their favor, they're on a roll. Against them are the loss of the HC and the toll graduation took on them. I'm still inclined to start them off at #1 on the basis that those seniors had trained understudies. If they promoted from within (that's probably already been discussed here, but I missed it), that perceived continuity would be lend credence to the #1 ranking. If they hired from outside, there will understandably be a period (however short) of dropoff as the crew adjusts to new philosophies, techniques, and schemes. In THAT case, dropping them down would make sense. The hit will NOT be enough, though, to prevent the Bison from making noise this year. They should still make the playoffs easily enough.

As far as a replacement goes, EWU is probably about as good a choice as any, particularly with Vernon Adams returning. (Why I thought he, too, was graduating, I couldn't tell you.) Schools like CCU, Liberty, Stony Brook, the Montanas, and the like will also be in the mix. We might even get my Hornets into the conversation. Who knows? But for now, the two teams that seem to be a cut above the rest are NDSU and EWU....
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I meant making noise in the playoffs, clenz. The only ones in that list with any chance at the Chipper are the Montanas, and I'm not even sure about them.
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I'd put EWU as my #1, but whatever, it's the preseason poll. It will sort itself out soon enough.
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I'd leave them number one for now, but preseason rankings are fishwrap after week one and things begin to shake out. Losing that many seniors and a HC might subjectively push things in favor of another team, but IMO it's their #1 until they lose.
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While I definitely feel we have the talent and depth to win the national championship in 2014, NDSU should be the favorite heading into the season. If the coaching change and graduation proves to be too much to overcome, it'll show up at some point during the regular season, and ballots can be adjusted accordingly.
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slulionsfan wrote:it'll show up at some point during the regular season
Could be hard to tell for a while:

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89Hen wrote:
slulionsfan wrote:it'll show up at some point during the regular season
Could be hard to tell for a while:

@ Iowa State
@ Weber State
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Indiana State
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South Dakota State
@ Northern Iowa
@ Missouri State
Youngstown State
Maybe so, but if it "takes a while," chances are they're still pretty good which cements the notion (in my mind at least) that they deserve the benefit of the doubt heading into the season. If they've taken a step back, it should be evident after they play Iowa State, and certainly by the Montana game.

Regardless, they've ripped off three NC's in a row and have achieved "program" status ... the track record speaks for itself.
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slulionsfan wrote:Maybe so, but if it "takes a while," chances are they're still pretty good which cements the notion (in my mind at least) that they deserve the benefit of the doubt heading into the season. If they've taken a step back, it should be evident after they play Iowa State, and certainly by the Montana game.
I-A games are never a good indicator and UNI beat ISU last year, Incarnate is Incarnate and Weber was a pretty bad team last year. Even Montana... couldn't even beat CCU at home for goodness sakes. Might take until SDSU and UNI in back to back weeks to get a good read on NDSU. 8-)
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89Hen wrote:
slulionsfan wrote:Maybe so, but if it "takes a while," chances are they're still pretty good which cements the notion (in my mind at least) that they deserve the benefit of the doubt heading into the season. If they've taken a step back, it should be evident after they play Iowa State, and certainly by the Montana game.
I-A games are never a good indicator and UNI beat ISU last year, Incarnate is Incarnate and Weber was a pretty bad team last year. Even Montana... couldn't even beat CCU at home for goodness sakes. Might take until SDSU and UNI in back to back weeks to get a good read on NDSU. 8-)
I get all that, but we're talking about a preseason ranking and whether NDSU "deserves" to be ranked No. 1 coming in ... IMO, their track record alone is enough to justify it, but Iowa State and Montana should be good enough barometers to give us an idea of whether or not they're truly worthy.

As far as having to wait and see how they do vs SDSU and UNI, why don't we just let the entire season play out and see who's left standing in Frisco?
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SuperHornet wrote:Under normal circumstances, the champ goes into the next season #1. As 89 notes, however, these are clearly NOT normal circumstances for NDSU. In their favor, they're on a roll. Against them are the loss of the HC and the toll graduation took on them. I'm still inclined to start them off at #1 on the basis that those seniors had trained understudies. If they promoted from within (that's probably already been discussed here, but I missed it), that perceived continuity would be lend credence to the #1 ranking. If they hired from outside, there will understandably be a period (however short) of dropoff as the crew adjusts to new philosophies, techniques, and schemes. In THAT case, dropping them down would make sense. The hit will NOT be enough, though, to prevent the Bison from making noise this year. They should still make the playoffs easily enough.

As far as a replacement goes, EWU is probably about as good a choice as any, particularly with Vernon Adams returning. (Why I thought he, too, was graduating, I couldn't tell you.) Schools like CCU, Liberty, Stony Brook, the Montanas, and the like will also be in the mix. We might even get my Hornets into the conversation. Who knows? But for now, the two teams that seem to be a cut above the rest are NDSU and EWU....
VA is only a Junior this year. Two more years of VA to Kupp for the rest of the Big Sky. :twisted:
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slulionsfan wrote:I get all that, but we're talking about a preseason ranking and whether NDSU "deserves" to be ranked No. 1 coming in ... IMO, their track record alone is enough to justify it
They deserve to be called 2013-14 National Champions based on their track record.
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89Hen wrote:
slulionsfan wrote:I get all that, but we're talking about a preseason ranking and whether NDSU "deserves" to be ranked No. 1 coming in ... IMO, their track record alone is enough to justify it
They deserve to be called 2013-14 National Champions based on their track record.
That too.
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slulionsfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: They deserve to be called 2013-14 National Champions based on their track record.
That too.
Last season has zero bearing on this season.


Iowa State is terrible. UNI really could have named that score last season. The 28-20 final score is deceiving as UNI outgained Iowa State, led the entire game, ran for 228 yards, fumbled on the 1 yard line going in with less than 1 minute in the game (would have made it 35-20) and had UNI kept their foot on the throats of Iowa State that whole game it probably would have been 40-10/13. Then again, the UNI team from the first 5 weeks of the season would have beaten NDSU (well, in week 6 they lead NDSU for 58 minutes and NDSU got some help from a very generous PI call late in the game to give them a first down on the go a head score drive).

Iowa State isn't good.

That schedule is VERY weak upfront...

What they did last season doesn't mean they are the best team this season. This poll isn't "A look back at 2013" or Towson would be #2. Are you voting Towson number 2? Why not?
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clenz wrote:
slulionsfan wrote:
That too.
Last season has zero bearing on this season.


Iowa State is terrible. UNI really could have named that score last season. The 28-20 final score is deceiving as UNI outgained Iowa State, led the entire game, ran for 228 yards, fumbled on the 1 yard line going in with less than 1 minute in the game (would have made it 35-20) and had UNI kept their foot on the throats of Iowa State that whole game it probably would have been 40-10/13. Then again, the UNI team from the first 5 weeks of the season would have beaten NDSU (well, in week 6 they lead NDSU for 58 minutes and NDSU got some help from a very generous PI call late in the game to give them a first down on the go a head score drive).

Iowa State isn't good.

That schedule is VERY weak upfront...

What they did last season doesn't mean they are the best team this season. This poll isn't "A look back at 2013" or Towson would be #2. Are you voting Towson number 2? Why not?
It's not the toughest schedule but it's far from weak up front. All DI, one FCS, and three OOC games against power conferences...
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kalm wrote:All DI
Is Incarnate Word DI this year? I thought they were in transition. They got smoked by all their DI opponents last year.
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Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:Under normal circumstances, the champ goes into the next season #1. As 89 notes, however, these are clearly NOT normal circumstances for NDSU. In their favor, they're on a roll. Against them are the loss of the HC and the toll graduation took on them. I'm still inclined to start them off at #1 on the basis that those seniors had trained understudies. If they promoted from within (that's probably already been discussed here, but I missed it), that perceived continuity would be lend credence to the #1 ranking. If they hired from outside, there will understandably be a period (however short) of dropoff as the crew adjusts to new philosophies, techniques, and schemes. In THAT case, dropping them down would make sense. The hit will NOT be enough, though, to prevent the Bison from making noise this year. They should still make the playoffs easily enough.

As far as a replacement goes, EWU is probably about as good a choice as any, particularly with Vernon Adams returning. (Why I thought he, too, was graduating, I couldn't tell you.) Schools like CCU, Liberty, Stony Brook, the Montanas, and the like will also be in the mix. We might even get my Hornets into the conversation. Who knows? But for now, the two teams that seem to be a cut above the rest are NDSU and EWU....
VA is only a Junior this year. Two more years of VA to Kupp for the rest of the Big Sky. :twisted:
One of them will do the EWU thing and declare early. Hopefully.
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