Google Cars... the future vs. local Govt.

[CID1990]

they need to figure out how to get it to avoid squirrels before we can have the higher philosophical discussions

What?

We need more cars programmed to HIT more squirrels.

Cluck

You know as well as I do that the only people who would be caught dead in these things are neutered metrosexual men and granolas, and if JUST ONE of them flats a squirrel they'll be crying on Oprah

and your liberal facebook friends will be posting 20 different articles daily about the PTSD that you can get from running over squirrels

so yeah I see this as a BIG deal for Google and Chizz's portfolio

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Can you program these cars to intentionally hit things? Like groundhogs. I intentionally go after those **** because they eat my fields of rye and barley on the farm.

shooting groundhogs on the farm has been my dad's favorite pastime for at least 50 years

I learned how to shoot long distance shooting those damn things

One of my favorite things to do in the summer months while not working in the hay fields was to shoot gophers with a bow and arrow. It was a challenge you never ran out of targets.

This one is just begging for it!

[YoUDeeMan]

Computers are vastly superior to people in how fast they can process information, but they can't use common sense that even the vast majority of people have.

Vast majority?

You obviously haven't met a lot of people.

[Chizzang]

What?

We need more cars programmed to HIT more squirrels.

Cluck

You know as well as I do that the only people who would be caught dead in these things are neutered metrosexual men and granolas, and if JUST ONE of them flats a squirrel they'll be crying on Oprah

and your liberal facebook friends will be posting 20 different articles daily about the PTSD that you can get from running over squirrels

so yeah I see this as a BIG deal for Google and Chizz's portfolio

Hey there Mr. cranky... settle down
The old and infirm / The disabled Etc... Not just Neutered Metrosexuals (the possibilities are endless)

[HI54UNI]

I love how on this forum over the period of a few dozen posts we think we've thought of and figured out all the pitfalls of this 14 year old Google project...

We should probably write them a letter and let them know "we've got it all worked out" for them



over 700 thousand driverless miles have been driven in Google cars
500 thousand miles on PUBLIC STREETS

The cars are insured (obviously)

they are far far safer than human drivers - by a shocking magnitude...

What's the range on a tank of gas?

And at all the armchair engineers and lawyers on here.

[Chizzang]

What's the range on a tank of gas?

Why do you hate me so much....

[Pwns]

Computers are vastly superior to people in how fast they can process information, but they can't use common sense that even the vast majority of people have.

Vast majority?

You obviously haven't met a lot of people.

The most dunderheaded among us has nothing on a computer. A computer can only handle situations specified in programming.

Case in point...some engineers at MIT made a computer program to grade college essays. Another one of MIT's faculty showed that you could make an A paper with randomly generated sentences from another computer program. There's no way to ensure that what is written isn't gibberish because computer can't think even in rudimentary ways.

[89Hen]

Vast majority?

You obviously haven't met a lot of people.

The most dunderheaded among us has nothing on a computer. A computer can only handle situations specified in programming.

Case in point...some engineers at MIT made a computer program to grade college essays. Another one of MIT's faculty showed that you could make an A paper with randomly generated sentences from another computer program. There's no way to ensure that what is written isn't gibberish because computer can't think even in rudimentary ways.

Hell, one doesn't have to look any further to the computer football rankings to see how flawed programming can be.

[YoUDeeMan]

The most dunderheaded among us has nothing on a computer. A computer can only handle situations specified in programming.

Case in point...some engineers at MIT made a computer program to grade college essays. Another one of MIT's faculty showed that you could make an A paper with randomly generated sentences from another computer program. There's no way to ensure that what is written isn't gibberish because computer can't think even in rudimentary ways.

Hell, one doesn't have to look any further to the computer football rankings to see how flawed programming can be.

ZING!!!!

[CID1990]

Cluck

You know as well as I do that the only people who would be caught dead in these things are neutered metrosexual men and granolas, and if JUST ONE of them flats a squirrel they'll be crying on Oprah

and your liberal facebook friends will be posting 20 different articles daily about the PTSD that you can get from running over squirrels

so yeah I see this as a BIG deal for Google and Chizz's portfolio

Hey there Mr. cranky... settle down
The old and infirm / The disabled Etc... Not just Neutered Metrosexuals (the possibilities are endless)

Yes- the old.... boomers are somewhere around their 70s now, so yeah they would ride in them

and boomers are a bunch of oversensitive, self-absorbed douchebags

so they would also raise Cain if these cars flatted squirrels if for no other reason than to draw attention to themselves

Im telling you they need to fix the squirrel problem

[Chizzang]

Yes- the old.... boomers are somewhere around their 70s now, so yeah they would ride in them

and boomers are a bunch of oversensitive, self-absorbed douchebags

so they would also raise Cain if these cars flatted squirrels if for no other reason than to draw attention to themselves

Im telling you they need to fix the squirrel problem

[CID1990]

Yes- the old.... boomers are somewhere around their 70s now, so yeah they would ride in them

and boomers are a bunch of oversensitive, self-absorbed douchebags

so they would also raise Cain if these cars flatted squirrels if for no other reason than to draw attention to themselves

Im telling you they need to fix the squirrel problem

everybody fvcks with your tech threads Chiz

i had to get a piece of the action

[Pwns]

Article on this Subject on Slate outlining the huge difficulties in making the driverless car happen.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... appen.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The article makes basically the same point I did here…

Because Google is promising the world a totally driverless car, it will need an in-vehicle computer that can deal not only with all the obvious tasks of driving but anything else the world throws at it, whether on a congested city street or a highway with an 85 mph speed limit.

Computer scientists have various names for the ability to synthesize and respond to this barrage of unpredictable information: "generalized intelligence,” "situational awareness,” "everyday common sense." It's been the dream of artificial intelligence researchers since the advent of computers. And it remains just that. "None of this reasoning will be inside computers anytime soon," says Raj Rajkumar, director of autonomous driving research at Carnegie-Mellon University, former home of both the current and prior directors of Google's car project. Rajkumar adds that the Detroit carmakers with whom he collaborates on autonomous vehicles believe that the prospect of a fully self-driving car arriving anytime soon is "pure science fiction."

And this also ties back into my thread about AI…it's not just inadequacies with hardware, how do you make the software work?

[Chizzang]

Article on this Subject on Slate outlining the huge difficulties in making the driverless car happen.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... appen.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The article makes basically the same point I did here…

Because Google is promising the world a totally driverless car, it will need an in-vehicle computer that can deal not only with all the obvious tasks of driving but anything else the world throws at it, whether on a congested city street or a highway with an 85 mph speed limit.

Computer scientists have various names for the ability to synthesize and respond to this barrage of unpredictable information: "generalized intelligence,” "situational awareness,” "everyday common sense." It's been the dream of artificial intelligence researchers since the advent of computers. And it remains just that. "None of this reasoning will be inside computers anytime soon," says Raj Rajkumar, director of autonomous driving research at Carnegie-Mellon University, former home of both the current and prior directors of Google's car project. Rajkumar adds that the Detroit carmakers with whom he collaborates on autonomous vehicles believe that the prospect of a fully self-driving car arriving anytime soon is "pure science fiction."

And this also ties back into my thread about AI…it's not just inadequacies with hardware, how do you make the software work?

Meh...
Scientific experts said we'd never land on the moon and 36 months later - we landed on the moon

The people who write these articles are frequently (just like you) the ones who know the least about the projects and the status of the progress reports - but I appreciate your tenacity - its cute

Lee Gomes is a bit of a Forbes Magazine drop out tech writer... He likes the negative attention

[Grizalltheway]

Who the hell wants a driverless car, anyway? Driving is fun.

[Pwns]

Just because those cutesie motivational posters in elementary school classrooms say nothing is impossible doesn't make it so.

Like the article says, true thinking computers have been just around the corner for a long time.

[Chizzang]

Who the hell wants a driverless car, anyway? Driving is fun.

Disabled people stuck at home
Old people who's vision sucks
Etc. Etc.

[Grizalltheway]

Who the hell wants a driverless car, anyway? Driving is fun.

Disabled people stuck at home
Old people who's vision sucks
Etc. Etc.

Well shit. I guess I'm just a self-centered asshole.

[Chizzang]

Disabled people stuck at home
Old people who's vision sucks
Etc. Etc.

Well shit. I guess I'm just a self-centered asshole.

Kids today....

[CAA Flagship]

Disabled people stuck at home
Old people who's vision sucks
Etc. Etc.

Well shit. I guess I'm just a self-centered asshole.

[JohnStOnge]

Hell, one doesn't have to look any further to the computer football rankings to see how flawed programming can be.

If you've got an issue with "computer" football rankings your issue isn't really with computers or computer programming. The computer is just the tool used to do the calculations for the mathematical model.

In any case, as I've written many times before, the better ones among those models are way better than you and I would have any hope of being in terms of predicting the outcomes of football games. I'm talking about if you take the predicted margin between the teams in each case and subtract if from the actual margin that happens in each case then take the average of the absolute values of all the results or something like that. If you try to beat a model like, say Sagarin's predictive model, by that measure over a large number of games without picking and choosing the games you're going to pick you're going to lose and lose very badly. You'll also probably lose in terms of percent winners picked correctly; though you've got a better shot by that measure.

[Gil Dobie]

Plus when a software mistake is discovered, it can be immediately updated. No such luck with people.

Depends on the bureaucracy involved. If the Government is in charge, the bureaucracy will be thick and the software mistake will take months to transition into the system. Another question, will the entity in charge be concerned with profit or safety.

[Chizzang]

Right on schedule Ladies and Bitches...

http://qz.com/354434/google-could-start ... this-year/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;