Botched OK Execution: Europe not pleased

[Ibanez]

The prisons i've been in, were minimum security...

That should be your signature line.

I should say I was there on contract to help bring some aspects of prison security into the 21st Century.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

That should be your signature line.

But what you're saying here is that a rapist/murderer shouldn't be in a cushy prision. I'm pretty sure they won't be in the minumum security Holiday Inns you've described.

You would think. I think I posted the story on here about how my neighbor was allowing her boyfriend to molest the 8 year old daughter and beat the 4 yr old boy. He was put in a medium security prison, until he was nearly beaten to death for being a child molester. He's now at the high security facility about 20 miles up the road from me. Of course, low-medium-high security prisons are very offenders at different levels of sentencing and crimes.

I feel that you missed the point: prisons should be more like Shawshank, regardless of the crime.


But without the buttsects and abusive guards.

I think this is a perfect example of where the death penalty should have been used. And no, I am not joking. The boyfriend should be terminated and the mother put in jail for life.

What is even sadder is, here in Utah with the new pet laws they passed, it is entirely possible to be charged with a higher degree felony for beating someone's dog than a child.

[AZGrizFan]

Me too. If a guy did that to my daughter/wife, he would never see the inside of a prison. Or a courtroom, for that matter.

Take him up to the mountain compound and channel your inner Ramsay Bolton?

[Ibanez]

You would think. I think I posted the story on here about how my neighbor was allowing her boyfriend to molest the 8 year old daughter and beat the 4 yr old boy. He was put in a medium security prison, until he was nearly beaten to death for being a child molester. He's now at the high security facility about 20 miles up the road from me. Of course, low-medium-high security prisons are very offenders at different levels of sentencing and crimes.

I feel that you missed the point: prisons should be more like Shawshank, regardless of the crime.


But without the buttsects and abusive guards.

I think this is a perfect example of where the death penalty should have been used. And no, I am not joking. The boyfriend should be terminated and the mother put in jail for life.

What is even sadder is, here in Utah with the new pet laws they passed, it is entirely possible to be charged with a higher degree felony for beating someone's dog than a child.

The mother got off with 6 months probation.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

I think this is a perfect example of where the death penalty should have been used. And no, I am not joking. The boyfriend should be terminated and the mother put in jail for life.

What is even sadder is, here in Utah with the new pet laws they passed, it is entirely possible to be charged with a higher degree felony for beating someone's dog than a child.

The mother got off with 6 months probation.

Complete and utter travesty.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=18980071
6 Months of jail for beating a dog............... While I don't condone beating animals, I just feel like we protect them better than our own children.

[89Hen]

I disagree. Somebody who is mentally healthy does not do that. I'm not trying to absolve people of their crimes or say they shouldn't do time and possibly hard time, but capital punishment is unnecessary and IMO barbaric. That's all.

I see your point. I feel that people that commit heinous crimes, like serial killers, rapists, etc... have decided to not conform to a decent lifestyle. They are a danger to everyone so what is the point in letting them live. Especially when they have destroyed so many lives. I'm not trying to argue or anything like that, it's just my POV.


On a "similar" note, my views on abortion have drastically changed since January.

[89Hen]

While I don't condone beating animals, I just feel like we protect them better than our own children.

No, you don't.

[Ibanez]

The mother got off with 6 months probation.

Complete and utter travesty.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=18980071
6 Months of jail for beating a dog............... While I don't condone beating animals, I just feel like we protect them better than our own children.

Yes it is. On the upside, she has been shunned by the community, can't go near a school and her ex-husband finally got full custody.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

While I don't condone beating animals, I just feel like we protect them better than our own children.

No, you don't.

It is Friday and I'm a little slow on the uptake and ready for the weekend............I don't what?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Who cares, the left aborts babys and nobody gives a fu*k so what if we clip a few innocent people, the odds are its never going to effect you anyway.

Plus all the welfare scum will be sure to have plenty o chillins they cant afford to keep the pop stocked.

[93henfan]

Mental illness, in theory, has long been a mitigating circumstance in death penalty cases.

There have been some nuts who have been put down I am sure, but generally speaking if the defense team can substantiate mental illness (and it really isn't that hard to do), then the death penalty isn't going to be used.

Honest question. Don't you think pretty much anyone who could commit such heinous crimes is mentally ill?

Nazi leadership wasn't mentally ill and how many million did they kill?

And regarding the mentally ill who do kill, fuck them. They should be executed. I don't care what mental state you were in. You pay the price.

[TheDancinMonarch]

Botched? What do you mean botched? He was sentenced to death. He's now dead. Seemed to work fine to me. Did his victim die gently?

[93henfan]

Botched? What do you mean botched? He was sentenced to death. He's now dead. Seemed to work fine to me. Did his victim die gently?

[Ibanez]

Botched? What do you mean botched? He was sentenced to death. He's now dead. Seemed to work fine to me. Did his victim die gently?

Don't be obtuse. You aren't supposed to suffer for 45 minutes, criminal or not. Your post isn't very Christ-like.

[93henfan]

Botched? What do you mean botched? He was sentenced to death. He's now dead. Seemed to work fine to me. Did his victim die gently?

Don't be obtuse. You aren't supposed to suffer for 45 minutes, criminal or not. Your post isn't very Christ-like.

That is why I suggest firing squad. It makes the most sense.

[Ibanez]

Don't be obtuse. You aren't supposed to suffer for 45 minutes, criminal or not. Your post isn't very Christ-like.

That is why I suggest firing squad. It makes the most sense.

I think we should have one squad that goes and does it. Of course, nobody will know if they are firing blanks or the real bullet. Think of the time/cost savings. One well played shot in the chest.

[YoUDeeMan]

Botched? What do you mean botched? He was sentenced to death. He's now dead. Seemed to work fine to me. Did his victim die gently?

Don't be obtuse. You aren't supposed to suffer for 45 minutes, criminal or not.

You aren't supposed to rape and/or kill people either. In the end, he put himself in the position of being executed. If there was a small glitch...oh well...sh*t happens.

The majority of executions go swimmingly well. Complaining about one that has a slight glitch, and using that as a reason to eliminate executions, is similar to wanting to ban highways because of a few accidents.

[Ibanez]

Don't be obtuse. You aren't supposed to suffer for 45 minutes, criminal or not.

You aren't supposed to rape and/or kill people either. In the end, he put himself in the position of being executed. If there was a small glitch...oh well...sh*t happens.

The majority of executions go swimmingly well. Complaining about one that has a slight glitch, and using that as a reason to eliminate executions, is similar to wanting to ban highways because of a few accidents.

Agreed. Locally, SC is going to mow down 7 miles of trees b/c dumb drivers speed and crash into them.

[89Hen]

No, you don't.

It is Friday and I'm a little slow on the uptake and ready for the weekend............I don't what?

You don't honestly think animals are better protected than children. That's hyperbole.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

It is Friday and I'm a little slow on the uptake and ready for the weekend............I don't what?

You don't honestly think animals are better protected than children. That's hyperbole.

I do in Utah, I can show you cases. We passed some stupid laws on companion animals and have not updated our laws on children. You truly would get more time in jail for beating an animal than you would a child in Utah with how the laws are today.

[Ivytalk]

Bring the guillotine back to France. Couldn't hurt!

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Bring the guillotine back to France. Couldn't hurt!

As long as we use it on all the French, sounds like a good idea to me.

[BDKJMU]

I know Holiday Inn's are pretty crappy, but you really think prison is a vacation?

It's not a vacation, but I know some are too comfortable. I've toured quite a few. We have about 2.5 million people incarcerated. Approximately 40% are non-violent offenders. The people that need to be there (i.e. not your local pot smoker) should be working as a ward of the state (or the nation.) We pay almost $21k a year for an inmate at a minimum security prison and those inmates give nothing back. Let them work, cleaning highways, clearing debris after a storm, fixing whatever, etc... The prisons i've been in, were minimum security and people are just hanging out, reading, praying, working out, watching television, etc... **** that.

On the other hand, we incarcerate too many people for stupid bullshit, like buying a gram of pot
. It's not a perfect idea/solution but hey, it's better than letting them rot while wasting our money.

Either put them to work, let them go or just kill them.

RARELY. Almost all of them are dealers.

[BlueHen86]

It's not a vacation, but I know some are too comfortable. I've toured quite a few. We have about 2.5 million people incarcerated. Approximately 40% are non-violent offenders. The people that need to be there (i.e. not your local pot smoker) should be working as a ward of the state (or the nation.) We pay almost $21k a year for an inmate at a minimum security prison and those inmates give nothing back. Let them work, cleaning highways, clearing debris after a storm, fixing whatever, etc... The prisons i've been in, were minimum security and people are just hanging out, reading, praying, working out, watching television, etc... **** that.

On the other hand, we incarcerate too many people for stupid bullshit, like buying a gram of pot
. It's not a perfect idea/solution but hey, it's better than letting them rot while wasting our money.

Either put them to work, let them go or just kill them.

RARELY. Almost all of them are dealers.

Link?

[travelinman67]

That is why I suggest firing squad. It makes the most sense.

I think we should have one squad that goes and does it. Of course, nobody will know if they are firing blanks or the real bullet. Think of the time/cost savings. One well played shot in the chest.

Head, not chest. Even a well placed shot that erupts the heart and severes the spine, the victim may feel pain for 3 to 20 seconds...

...an erupted brain, not so much.