Jews being ordered to register

[Ibanez]

Please tell me the HATE for the Jews. I have never understud this.

There's a lot you don't understand. The English language, for one.

[93henfan]

Please tell me the HATE for the Jews. I have never understud this.

Sometimes people don't like the people who control the world.

[JohnStOnge]

Please tell me the HATE for the Jews. I have never understud this.

They are substantially more intelligent and successful, on average, than the general population. That's the root of the problem.

You know, kind of like the thing in this country where we demonize "the rich."

[CAA Flagship]

Please tell me the HATE for the Jews. I have never understud this.

They are substantially more intelligent and successful, on average, than the general population. That's the root of the problem.

You know, kind of like the thing in this country where we demonize "the rich."

I thought I read somewhere about their lack of philanthropy. Maybe 93 can help with this one.

[BlueHen86]

Please tell me the HATE for the Jews. I have never understud this.

They are substantially more intelligent and successful, on average, than the general population. That's the root of the problem.

You know, kind of like the thing in this country where we demonize "the rich."

Exactly. Except for the part where we take all their belongings, round them up, send them to camps and then gas them. Clearly we hate the rich as much as Europe hates the Jews.

[DSUrocks07]

They are substantially more intelligent and successful, on average, than the general population. That's the root of the problem.

You know, kind of like the thing in this country where we demonize "the rich."

Exactly. Except for the part where we take all their belongings, round them up, send them to camps and then gas them. Clearly we hate the rich as much as Europe hates the Jews.

A Donk's wet dream

[93henfan]

The problem with Jews is Israel. At some point we need to hand over the caretaking of that strip of beach to the billionaire and millionaire Jews all over the world rather than US taxpayers.

70 years of handouts was enough.

[JohnStOnge]

Exactly. Except for the part where we take all their belongings, round them up, send them to camps and then gas them. Clearly we hate the rich as much as Europe hates the Jews.

As with almost any pair of things between which an analogy is drawn, there are similarities and differences. I don't think there's much risk that we're going to round up "the rich" in the United States for extermination. But, at the same time, I don't think there's any doubt that there is widespread resentment against "the rich" and that there are people who not only exploit that but even endeavor to exacerbate it. There's also a major political party that does that in order to increase its chances of winning elections.

I think people tend to resent people who are more successful than they are. Ethnic Jews "control" as much as they do because, on average, they have a high talent level. They are generally creative and intelligent. They're not over represented in certain areas because they are any more ruthless or immoral than any other group. They're over represented like that because of their distribution of abilities.

And the down side of that is that they make a great set of scapegoats.

[kalm]

Exactly. Except for the part where we take all their belongings, round them up, send them to camps and then gas them. Clearly we hate the rich as much as Europe hates the Jews.

As with almost any pair of things between which an analogy is drawn, there are similarities and differences. I don't think there's much risk that we're going to round up "the rich" in the United States for extermination. But, at the same time, I don't think there's any doubt that there is widespread resentment against "the rich" and that there are people who not only exploit that but even endeavor to exacerbate it. There's also a major political party that does that in order to increase its chances of winning elections.

I think people tend to resent people who are more successful than they are. Ethnic Jews "control" as much as they do because, on average, they have a high talent level. They are generally creative and intelligent. They're not over represented in certain areas because they are any more ruthless or immoral than any other group. They're over represented like that because of their distribution of abilities.

And the down side of that is that they make a great set of scapegoats.

Sure there's some wealth envy out there, but most progressives resent the rich because it's a rigged game. If you believe in competition you would too.

Funny thing is, I know several rich people who feel the same way.

[BlueHen86]

Exactly. Except for the part where we take all their belongings, round them up, send them to camps and then gas them. Clearly we hate the rich as much as Europe hates the Jews.

As with almost any pair of things between which an analogy is drawn, there are similarities and differences. I don't think there's much risk that we're going to round up "the rich" in the United States for extermination. But, at the same time, I don't think there's any doubt that there is widespread resentment against "the rich" and that there are people who not only exploit that but even endeavor to exacerbate it. There's also a major political party that does that in order to increase its chances of winning elections.

I think people tend to resent people who are more successful than they are. Ethnic Jews "control" as much as they do because, on average, they have a high talent level. They are generally creative and intelligent. They're not over represented in certain areas because they are any more ruthless or immoral than any other group. They're over represented like that because of their distribution of abilities.

And the down side of that is that they make a great set of scapegoats.

In this case there are significant differences, so much so that it is a stupid analogy. Unless you are trolling.

[CID1990]

They are substantially more intelligent and successful, on average, than the general population. That's the root of the problem.

You know, kind of like the thing in this country where we demonize "the rich."

Exactly. Except for the part where we take all their belongings, round them up, send them to camps and then gas them. Clearly we hate the rich as much as Europe hates the Jews.

Go back and take a look at what happened to the rich and the "landlord class" in countries that have had proletarian uprisings.

[BlueHen86]

Exactly. Except for the part where we take all their belongings, round them up, send them to camps and then gas them. Clearly we hate the rich as much as Europe hates the Jews.

Go back and take a look at what happened to the rich and the "landlord class" in countries that have had proletarian uprisings.

Go back and take a look at what happened when JSO posted and specifically referenced this country (USA).

[CID1990]

Go back and take a look at what happened to the rich and the "landlord class" in countries that have had proletarian uprisings.

Go back and take a look at what happened when JSO posted and specifically referenced this country (USA).

I understood you perfectly. You were saying that there could be no parallel since we have not exterminated the rich in the US. I was pointing out that history shows us that wealth envy coupled with class inequality has been responsible for as many if not more deaths and persecutions than 20th century anti Semitism.

You werent implying that it couldnt happen in the US, were you?

[JohnStOnge]

In this case there are significant differences, so much so that it is a stupid analogy.

It's not a stupid analogy at all. What you're using, in my opinion, is a common technique. Because there is a significant difference in degree one attempts to dismiss the analogy or comparison.

Kind of like what happened recently when HIllary Clinton compared the justification Putin used to invade Ukraine to the justification Hitler used early on to invade other countries. Immediately you heard people saying "She's compared Putin to Hitler!" as though what she said was ridiculous.

But it wasn't ridiculous. She was correct. Putin was basically using the same justification as Hitler did. She didn't say Putin is going to go out and start World War III and kill six million Jews. And it's very unlikely that he would do something like that. But that doesn't change the fact that her comparison with respect to the justification he used is a valid one.

And I think the tendency to demonize the Jews in Europe comes from the same " dark place" in human psychology as the tendency to demonize "the rich" in this country does. It comes from the same vulgar tendency towards envy and resentment of those who have done better than you have. That's true whether people in this country start running around killing rich people or not.

[kalm]

And I think the tendency to demonize the Jews in Europe comes from the same " dark place" in human psychology as the tendency to demonize "the rich" in this country does. It comes from the same vulgar tendency towards envy and resentment of those who have done better than you have. That's true whether people in this country start running around killing rich people or not.

Dark place? Does it?

Perhaps there's a chance that many rich people aren't 100's or 1000's or 1,000,000's of times smarter or work 100's or 1000's or 1,000,000's of times as hard as the middle class and the working poor?

Tell me, do you view greed as vulgar? How about gluttony? Do they come from the same "dark place" as envy?

This report should be obvious to anyone with half a brain…but I'm sure there will be some who still want to suck up to the rich and make sure their feelings aren't too hurt.

Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy
The Telegraph ZACHARY DAVIES BOREN, THE TELEGRAPH
APR. 16, 2014, 8:16 AM

The U.S. government does not represent the interests of the majority of the country's citizens, but is instead ruled by those of the rich and powerful, a new study from Princeton and Northwestern universities has concluded.
The report, "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" (PDF), used extensive policy data collected between 1981 and 2002 to empirically determine the state of the U.S. political system.

After sifting through nearly 1,800 U.S. policies enacted in that period and comparing them to the expressed preferences of average Americans (50th percentile of income), affluent Americans (90th percentile), and large special interests groups, researchers concluded that the U.S. is dominated by its economic elite.

The peer-reviewed study, which will be taught at these universities in September, says: "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."

Researchers concluded that U.S. government policies rarely align with the preferences of the majority of Americans, but do favour special interests and lobbying organizations: "When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it."

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[Chizzang]

One party trains their constituency to HATE THE RICH
The other party trains their constituency to HATE THE POOR

* BANG!
Aaaaaand they're off... (let the games begin)

[kalm]

One party trains their constituency to HATE THE RICH
The other party trains their constituency to HATE THE POOR

* BANG!
Aaaaaand they're off... (let the games begin)

I don't hate anybody. Can we leave parties out of this and allow people to think on their own?

Thanks!

[Chizzang]

One party trains their constituency to HATE THE RICH
The other party trains their constituency to HATE THE POOR

* BANG!
Aaaaaand they're off... (let the games begin)

I don't hate anybody. Can we leave parties out of this and allow people to think on their own?

Thanks!

Of course we can, but then you won't belong to any party then...

"You're either with me or you're with the terrorists"... (No independent thought allowed)

[BlueHen86]

Go back and take a look at what happened when JSO posted and specifically referenced this country (USA).

I understood you perfectly. You were saying that there could be no parallel since we have not exterminated the rich in the US. I was pointing out that history shows us that wealth envy coupled with class inequality has been responsible for as many if not more deaths and persecutions than 20th century anti Semitism.

You werent implying that it couldnt happen in the US, were you?[/quote]

You understood me perfectly, yet you are asking questions. Apparently, your concept of understanding needs work.

[BlueHen86]

In this case there are significant differences, so much so that it is a stupid analogy.

It's not a stupid analogy at all. What you're using, in my opinion, is a common technique. Because there is a significant difference in degree one attempts to dismiss the analogy or comparison.

Kind of like what happened recently when HIllary Clinton compared the justification Putin used to invade Ukraine to the justification Hitler used early on to invade other countries. Immediately you heard people saying "She's compared Putin to Hitler!" as though what she said was ridiculous.

But it wasn't ridiculous. She was correct. Putin was basically using the same justification as Hitler did. She didn't say Putin is going to go out and start World War III and kill six million Jews. And it's very unlikely that he would do something like that. But that doesn't change the fact that her comparison with respect to the justification he used is a valid one.

And I think the tendency to demonize the Jews in Europe comes from the same " dark place" in human psychology as the tendency to demonize "the rich" in this country does. It comes from the same vulgar tendency towards envy and resentment of those who have done better than you have. That's true whether people in this country start running around killing rich people or not.

Yeah, it is a stupid analogy. Arguing by analogy is almost always a dumb idea. But you go ahead and run with it, admitting error is not in your DNA. Besides, it undermines your trollmanship. Keep up the good work, you got CID to argue your side, you are clearly doing something right.

[BlueHen86]

In this case there are significant differences, so much so that it is a stupid analogy.

It's not a stupid analogy at all. What you're using, in my opinion, is a common technique. Because there is a significant difference in degree one attempts to dismiss the analogy or comparison.

Kind of like what happened recently when HIllary Clinton compared the justification Putin used to invade Ukraine to the justification Hitler used early on to invade other countries. Immediately you heard people saying "She's compared Putin to Hitler!" as though what she said was ridiculous.

But it wasn't ridiculous. She was correct. Putin was basically using the same justification as Hitler did. She didn't say Putin is going to go out and start World War III and kill six million Jews. And it's very unlikely that he would do something like that. But that doesn't change the fact that her comparison with respect to the justification he used is a valid one.

And I think the tendency to demonize the Jews in Europe comes from the same " dark place" in human psychology as the tendency to demonize "the rich" in this country does. It comes from the same vulgar tendency towards envy and resentment of those who have done better than you have. That's true whether people in this country start running around killing rich people or not.

People in Europe actually rounded up the Jews and tried to exterminate them. we just try and make the rich pay higher taxes. Yeah, same thing. One thing actually happened, the other is hypothetical. Yet you can't see the difference.

[JohnStOnge]

Yeah, it is a stupid analogy. Arguing by analogy is almost always a dumb idea.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on both of those points and leave others to judge.

Though in this case the analogy wasn't really part of an argument. It was just an observation.

[JohnStOnge]

People in Europe actually rounded up the Jews and tried to exterminate them. we just try and make the rich pay higher taxes. Yeah, same thing. One thing actually happened, the other is hypothetical. Yet you can't see the difference.

What I'm talking about is not hypothetical. It's obvious. It's not just that "we" try to make "the rich" pay higher taxes. We scapegoat them.

There is a tendency to resent "the rich" in the United States and some people as well as one major political party in particular exploit that. And it's based on the same basic tendency to resent the successful. The fact that we're not going to round up "the rich" and try to exterminate them does not change the validity of that assertion.

[D1B]

JSO is right.

[BlueHen86]

People in Europe actually rounded up the Jews and tried to exterminate them. we just try and make the rich pay higher taxes. Yeah, same thing. One thing actually happened, the other is hypothetical. Yet you can't see the difference.

What I'm talking about is not hypothetical. It's obvious. It's not just that "we" try to make "the rich" pay higher taxes. We scapegoat them.

There is a tendency to resent "the rich" in the United States and some people as well as one major political party in particular exploit that. And it's based on the same basic tendency to resent the successful. The fact that we're not going to round up "the rich" and try to exterminate them does not change the validity of that assertion.

So you are saying that scapegoating the rich is the same as rounding up Jews, putting them in camps and then killing them. Sure.