Atheist Convention 2014

[SeattleGriz]

It's a tough book to not only read, but especially difficult to understand the original context of the words. Makes perfect sense that someone who was looking to discredit the Bible would read it more often, and those that accept it are fine with listening to those who actually went to school and studied the Bible.

Have you read the Bible in it's entirety?

Sadly,
I see you're going with the Nancy Pelosi defense...
Something like: "We should pass this bill to see whats in it"
and have the trained experts define its meaning for everybody else

Yes that attitude is much to the joy of Big Church Inc.

And yes in Theology 101 the books of the Bible are required reading - so I read them

The real story of the bible is not "the words" as you put it - and their willful misinterpretation - by those who seek to control others, but the handling and editing of the words over the centuries and the ultimate and final application of the books as a tool against human growth and enlightenment...

That's the most interesting part of the bible frankly

First off, nice Straw Man - esque analogy.

Secondly, you are telling me it is not okay for the average layperson to get guidance on the Bible from someone who is educated in it's context on one hand, but on the other you tell me you needed to take a class called Theology 101 to understand the Bible and learn it's real dark underbelly?

Lastly, you are saying the World's largest scam is being perpetrated because the truth of the Bible is being misrepresented in plain daylight, for all to read and discover, only if they would have only taken Theology 101.

Now I see your logic and can understand how you think Christians are misguided.



Let's not forget your absurd statement that the Bible is being used as a tool against human growth and enlightenment. By the way, you can thank Christians for starting the colleges that have Theology 101 in their curriculum. Pure Genius move!!!

[Chizzang]

First off, nice Straw Man - esque analogy.

Secondly, you are telling me it is not okay for the average layperson to get guidance on the Bible from someone who is educated in it's context on one hand, but on the other you tell me you needed to take a class called Theology 101 to understand the Bible and learn it's real dark underbelly?

Lastly, you are saying the World's largest scam is being perpetrated because the truth of the Bible is being misrepresented in plain daylight, for all to read and discover, only if they would have only taken Theology 101.

Now I see your logic and can understand how you think Christians are misguided.



Let's not forget your absurd statement that the Bible is being used as a tool against human growth and enlightenment. By the way, you can thank Christians for starting the colleges that have Theology 101 in their curriculum. Pure Genius move!!!

I didn't say any of that... are you okay?
Please identify the Straw man argument in my post
(I don't think you understand what that means based on your weird post?)

What I'm saying is: if you're going to base your entire belief system on a book
Then you should probably read that book (Unlike the 90% of Christians who have NOT read the bible)

I didn't take Theology classes to learn any dark underbelly
I took Theology classes to learn about WORLD RELIGIONS because I believe the question of God is the single most important question in front of human kind

And YES the truth is absolutely being misrepresented by major Christian Religions
and I think anybody could pretty easily see that - with almost no research
I'm not trying to hurt your feelings but THE TRUTH is really important to me

but as a distinct point:
The bulk of the worlds major religions misrepresent the truth

So now in your response please reference my post
and not your imagination of what my post might be implying

[SeattleGriz]

First off, nice Straw Man - esque analogy.

Secondly, you are telling me it is not okay for the average layperson to get guidance on the Bible from someone who is educated in it's context on one hand, but on the other you tell me you needed to take a class called Theology 101 to understand the Bible and learn it's real dark underbelly?

Lastly, you are saying the World's largest scam is being perpetrated because the truth of the Bible is being misrepresented in plain daylight, for all to read and discover, only if they would have only taken Theology 101.

Now I see your logic and can understand how you think Christians are misguided.



Let's not forget your absurd statement that the Bible is being used as a tool against human growth and enlightenment. By the way, you can thank Christians for starting the colleges that have Theology 101 in their curriculum. Pure Genius move!!!

I didn't say any of that... are you okay?
Please identify the Straw man argument in my post
(I don't think you understand what that means based on your weird post?)

What I'm saying is: if you're going to base your entire belief system on a book
Then you should probably read that book (Unlike the 90% of Christians who have NOT read the bible)

I didn't take Theology classes to learn any dark underbelly
I took Theology classes to learn about WORLD RELIGIONS because I believe the question of God is the single most important question in front of human kind

And YES the truth is absolutely being misrepresented by major Christian Religions
and I think anybody could pretty easily see that - with almost no research
I'm not trying to hurt your feelings but THE TRUTH is really important to me

but as a distinct point:
The bulk of the worlds major religions misrepresent the truth

So now in your response please reference my post
and not your imagination of what my post might be implying

Jeebus. Really? You are asking for why I said you threw out a straw man argument? You tried, but failed, to say my logic of taking direction from scholastic authorities was misguided. The Nancy Pelosi analogy was D1B weak. Kalm, PolsonGriz, D1B, Capn Cat and that Eastern mother fucker (trip something) even emailed to let me know how lame it was. Well okay, I took a little liberties, but if they were smarter, they would have.

Where did you take this Theology 101? That is important to the discussion. What University?

As far as basing your entire belief system on a book, I would say you have failed...miserably.

What did you get your degree in?

Did you skip lectures and test out?

You are asking the same of Christians.

By the way, when are you coming over for dinner. Don't make me call you out on the board.

[SeattleGriz]

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[JohnStOnge]

Interesting that there is no agnostic or deist conventions. Maybe because they don't feel like they have to make noise and be noticed.

Agree. Both groups are superior to the religious.

You know I've noted many times I'm an agnostic. And as such I have to say that, while agnosticism is the most defensible position, there's no way to know if it's "superior."

[JohnStOnge]

What I don't get is why people who have made the decision to be atheist feel the need to proselytize about it. If they're right nothing matters. So why do they feel they need to convince others to be atheists?

In fact, to me, if they're right they have an advantage if other people aren't atheists and think that there is some reason for things. Being atheists, they need have no scruples and should be able to take advantage of the deluded others. And if they're correct in their atheist beliefs there is no reason not to. There's nothing "wrong" with doing that. They're going to live then die then rot regardless.

[SeattleGriz]

What I don't get is why people who have made the decision to be atheist feel the need to proselytize about it. If they're right nothing matters. So why do they feel they need to convince others to be atheists?

In fact, to me, if they're right they have an advantage if other people aren't atheists and think that there is some reason for things. Being atheists, they need have no scruples and should be able to take advantage of the deluded others. And if they're correct in their atheist beliefs there is no reason not to. There's nothing "wrong" with doing that. They're going to live then die then rot regardless.

Thank you JSO.

[D1B]

Seattle dumbfuck griz.

[houndawg]

What I don't get is why people who have made the decision to be atheist feel the need to proselytize about it. If they're right nothing matters. So why do they feel they need to convince others to be atheists?

In fact, to me, if they're right they have an advantage if other people aren't atheists and think that there is some reason for things. Being atheists, they need have no scruples and should be able to take advantage of the deluded others. And if they're correct in their atheist beliefs there is no reason not to. There's nothing "wrong" with doing that. They're going to live then die then rot regardless.

Just because you only act right if you think there is somebody watching doesn't mean its the norm.

Character is what you do when nobody is watching.

[SeattleGriz]

Seattle dumbfuck griz.

I have to give your troglodyte mindset a plug.

[SeattleGriz]

What I don't get is why people who have made the decision to be atheist feel the need to proselytize about it. If they're right nothing matters. So why do they feel they need to convince others to be atheists?

In fact, to me, if they're right they have an advantage if other people aren't atheists and think that there is some reason for things. Being atheists, they need have no scruples and should be able to take advantage of the deluded others. And if they're correct in their atheist beliefs there is no reason not to. There's nothing "wrong" with doing that. They're going to live then die then rot regardless.

Just because you only act right if you think there is somebody watching doesn't mean its the norm.

Character is what you do when nobody is watching.

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[SeattleGriz]

Edit.

[CID1990]

Let's bring this bitch back on track.

What have you **** pussy atheists done to advance your cause.

This is going to be GOLD!

Atheism isnt a cause.

Any true atheist doesnt place stock
in the organized lack of religion any
more than they do organized religion

[Vidav]

What I don't get is why people who have made the decision to be atheist feel the need to proselytize about it. If they're right nothing matters. So why do they feel they need to convince others to be atheists?

In fact, to me, if they're right they have an advantage if other people aren't atheists and think that there is some reason for things. Being atheists, they need have no scruples and should be able to take advantage of the deluded others. And if they're correct in their atheist beliefs there is no reason not to. There's nothing "wrong" with doing that. They're going to live then die then rot regardless.

Just because you only act right if you think there is somebody watching doesn't mean its the norm.

Character is what you do when nobody is watching.

Seriously. If the only reason you do good is because you are worried about the sky fairy looking over you then you are a horrible person.

[SeattleGriz]

Multiple edits by me for rambling.

[D1B]

Seattle dumbfuck griz.

I have to give your troglodyte mindset a plug.

Fun watching you make a fool out of yourself. You are retarded.

[kalm]

What I don't get is why people who have made the decision to be atheist feel the need to proselytize about it. If they're right nothing matters. So why do they feel they need to convince others to be atheists?

In fact, to me, if they're right they have an advantage if other people aren't atheists and think that there is some reason for things. Being atheists, they need have no scruples and should be able to take advantage of the deluded others. And if they're correct in their atheist beliefs there is no reason not to. There's nothing "wrong" with doing that. They're going to live then die then rot regardless.

I don't pay as much attention to what atheists are saying as some of you, but are they really proselytizing? I mean are they trying to win over converts or are they just opinionated assholes shitting on christian folks cereal?

Aside from a few loud mouths on the subject, perhaps they just reject the bullshit that comes with living in a predominantly christian nation. Maybe they actually believe and work hard at being better people in real life versus focusing on what happens next.

[D1B]

What I don't get is why people who have made the decision to be atheist feel the need to proselytize about it. If they're right nothing matters. So why do they feel they need to convince others to be atheists?

In fact, to me, if they're right they have an advantage if other people aren't atheists and think that there is some reason for things. Being atheists, they need have no scruples and should be able to take advantage of the deluded others. And if they're correct in their atheist beliefs there is no reason not to. There's nothing "wrong" with doing that. They're going to live then die then rot regardless.

I don't pay as much attention to what atheists are saying as some of you, but are they really proselytizing? I mean are they trying to win over converts or are they just opinionated assholes shitting on christian folks cereal?

Aside from a few loud mouths on the subject, perhaps they just reject the bullshit that comes with living in a predominantly christian nation. Maybe they actually believe and work hard at being better people in real life versus focusing on what happens next.

Atheists want religion out of government and their lives. That's it.

There are countless incidents where big$ religion has corrupted our courts, government, abused tax exempt status, raped your children with impunity, and pursued their goal of a Christian theocracy.

Every one of you morherfuckers ought to get down on your knees and thank god there are atheists protecting us from the human meat grinder that is religion.

[Ibanez]

I don't pay as much attention to what atheists are saying as some of you, but are they really proselytizing? I mean are they trying to win over converts or are they just opinionated assholes shitting on christian folks cereal?

Aside from a few loud mouths on the subject, perhaps they just reject the bullshit that comes with living in a predominantly christian nation. Maybe they actually believe and work hard at being better people in real life versus focusing on what happens next.

Atheists want religion out of government and their lives. That's it.

There are countless incidents where big$ religion has corrupted our courts, government, abused tax exempt status, raped your children with impunity, and pursued their goal of a Christian theocracy.

Every one of you morherfuckers ought to get down on your knees and thank god there are atheists protecting us from the human meat grinder that is religion.

They also want to tell you how you're dumb for believing in a higher being.

[Chizzang]

They also want to tell you how you're dumb for believing in a higher being.

Not even close dude...
I believe in a higher power - and I've never had an Atheist say so much as a word about it
and there have been MANY MANY opportunities where I was defending my belief in a higher power on very shaky ground

What alarms atheists is
1) Claiming something is "The infallible Word of God"
2) "belief without research" or blind consumption of institutional ideology

If you stay away from those two items you'll get along fine with 95% of all Atheists

[JohnStOnge]

Seriously. If the only reason you do good is because you are worried about the sky fairy looking over you then you are a horrible person.

The point is that there is no "good" or "bad" if atheism is correct.

I don't know why atheists can't get that.

And yes you can go through the whole thing of trying to argue that there is indeed a "good" and "bad" if atheism is correct but if you do you will fail just as everyone else in history who has tried to do that has failed.

If you are an atheist there is absolutely no rational reason to try to convince other people to be atheists unless it's in the narrow sense of trying to get to something you personally want to get to.

Again: Atheists make this big deal about "Reason" then their "reasoning" completely breaks down when they start trying to argue that there is intrinsic right and wrong if their view of reality is correct.

It's a futile argument. There isn't.

[SeattleGriz]

I have to give your troglodyte mindset a plug.

Fun watching you make a fool out of yourself. You are retarded.

Now you know how we all feel about your tired, worn out threads spouting the same stereotyped bullshit. I tried to bring that point home last night, but was too stupidly drunk to make a coherent attempt.

So far this thread has produced the usual bullshit from atheists. No good reasons for atheism, just attacks on religion.

You fuckers sure do whine when that is the mode of attack on evolution, but yet you employ that tactic against religion.

[Ibanez]

They also want to tell you how you're dumb for believing in a higher being.

Not even close dude...
I believe in a higher power - and I've never had an Atheist say so much as a word about it
and there have been MANY MANY opportunities where I was defending my belief in a higher power on very shaky ground

What alarms atheists is
1) Claiming something is "The infallible Word of God"
2) "belief without research" or blind consumption of institutional ideology

If you stay away from those two items you'll get along fine with 95% of all Atheists

I've met atheists of both varieties: the kind that argue religion and attack those that aren't atheists and the kind that leave you be

But I guess you were there with me you you know the truth.

[CID1990]

Seriously. If the only reason you do good is because you are worried about the sky fairy looking over you then you are a horrible person.

The point is that there is no "good" or "bad" if atheism is correct.

No, it isn't the point because the point is wrong.

I am an atheist and yet I believe that abortion is the killing of innocents; a "bad".

I could give you a number of other examples.

[Ibanez]

The point is that there is no "good" or "bad" if atheism is correct.

No, it isn't the point because the point is wrong.

I am an atheist and yet I believe that abortion is the killing of innocents; a "bad".

I could give you a number of other examples.

What is the basis of right and wrong? Yale is doing some great research on how toddlers understand right and wrong.