THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE

[vutomcat]

So, other than Creighton (who has yet to play their round of 32 game) can someone point out how wrong I've been on the Big East this year?

I'll wait for someone to point out how wrong I've been.














Chances are I'll be waiting a while. I'll also leave vu to drink his sorrows away without pulling all of the wrongness back that he spewed.

Your Creighton rant was your loudest and biggest of the season. Not mentioning how wrong you were about them is like asking Mrs. Lincoln "other than your husband being shot how did you like the play"?

[clenz]

So, other than Creighton (who has yet to play their round of 32 game) can someone point out how wrong I've been on the Big East this year?

I'll wait for someone to point out how wrong I've been.














Chances are I'll be waiting a while. I'll also leave vu to drink his sorrows away without pulling all of the wrongness back that he spewed.

Your Creighton rant was your loudest and biggest of the season. Not mentioning how wrong you were about them is like asking Mrs. Lincoln "other than your husband being shot how did you like the play"?

your tears....they're bitter...not as sweet as I had hoped

[∞∞∞]

Creighton is embarrassing themselves right now. Plenty of time left, but it's a wreck so far.

[clenz]

Plenty of game left but Baylor is up 32-16

[BlueHen86]

The Big East is a mid major conference.

[clenz]

The Big East is a mid major conference.

I believe I said something to that affect.

I also believe I called Creighton looking like this come NCAA time....down 20 at half.


Now, the way CU can launch it from deep this game is far from over...but..

VU...how do you like your crow just so I now how to prepare it for you.

[clenz]

Baylor playing in your face d and running on o...Creighton can't keep up. They've give just 8 deep in the first half and just 6 shots from the bench. I dint know the minute break down but I'd guess the starters are at 93 percent if those minutes and see at least that much in the second half.

Creighton shooting 37 percent and just 11 from 3 with a lot of shots looking dead legged.

Gibbs has 3 pf and wragge and doug with 2. That could play huge

[clenz]

With 9 min left sCUm is down by 28

[clenz]

sCUm goes down 85-55

Typical Creighton. 24 of 55 shots were three balls. Made just 5. 20 percent from three and just 40 for the game. Almost all of the shots were short and or flat...signs of dead/tired legs.

Creighton had its best shot in, and for, years to get out of the first weekend and they failed.

What hope do you see for them going forward? Honestly?

So....was I wrong about anything?

[SDHornet]

clenz for the win.

Mods please lock this thread. Nothing good can come from this.

[clenz]

Let it play out. I'll unlock it if it gets locked.

[SDHornet]

Let it play out. I'll unlock it if it gets locked.

My post was in jest, you know that. Way to rip the tits off this thread.

Should be an entertaining next few posts from the BE contingent here....assuming they show up.

[BlueHen86]

clenz for the win.

Mods please lock this thread. Nothing good can come from this.

I'll be curious to see if anyone admits being wrong. The Big East was way over rated this year. I knew (and said) it was over rated before the tourney. I was wrong, it was more over rated than I thought.

I wonder if anyone will admit that the RPI was wrong?

I doubt it.

[clenz]

Seahawks might/likely will.

vu is 50/50 and if he does he'll do everything except admit he was wrong...which he said he'd do.

Forget everything else about the Big East I was right now...since sCUm was clearly my biggest issue this year I'll only focus on them.

I was going to go back and quote all of the stupid shit from VU and all of the things I was right on. Instead I'll point out this thread is 386 posts. I don't know how many I had but I can promise you from going through just the first 20-25% (excluding the spam bot posting of epjr) of it I was trying to grab all of the things I said I was right on and stopped because I didn't want to have to quote EVERY SINGLE one of my posts and I didn't joint until the end of page 3 (I have my post per page set to the max). I'll sum it up.

They had a great regular season - which they are built for. I pointed out how little depth they had, and even with Dougie that was going to kill them come conference tournament and NCAA time. Guess what happened? Even tomcat said they looked tired/dead during the conference tournament. I said they focused WAY too much on about 3 or 4 players for EVERYTHING and multiple times through the seasons posted % of states for that group of players (McNeverbeentoaS16, Wragge, Gibbs, Manigat) combined for about 65% of their offensive stats for the season. I said they wouldn't make the second round by saying..quote... "They won't make the second weekend. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong....but....." I haven't changed once inch of my position all season long.

In stead of actually wanting to counter my thoughts with actual discussion tomcat has resorted to ignoring everything I have posted with blind homerism and saying I don't know what I'm talking about...really, since when isn't a win over a 7-20 team good. I mean, he must be right...RIGHT? I'm just a lowly fan of a mid-major program in the state of Iowa (who has more S16s than Creighton, btw). I can't possibly understand the greatness that is the Big East and east coast basketball. He dismissed my knowledge of Creighton - a team that I've watched/followed closely for over a decade and was the CHIEF RIVAL of MY SCHOOL. Their coach played at my school...he coached at my school...he fucked over my school to an extent that to actually start putting numbers into it would make you physically ill (if you really really want I can start a break down of that...). What could I possibly know about them?

Think about this. The last three years Creighton has 3 wins in the NCAA tournament. They were over 9, 10, and 13 seeds. During that time they had a 3x All American who is top 5 all time in scoring. They had teams that were at the top of the country in offensive efficiency. They had the MVC defensive player of the year and were still terrible on defense on a good day. They started 4 seniors that had roughly 60% of all of Creightons numbers the last 4 years. They have 19 NCAA trips and 0 round of 32 wins.

Do you honestly doubt ANTYING I'VE EVER SAID about Creighton anymore? Will you continue to doubt what I have to say about Creighton?

Are you going to doubt me when i say they will be middle of the big east, at best, next year and then after that they are going to be pretty fucking bad? This was their year. This is why they were so eager to get into a different conference before Dougie was gone. They knew once he was gone they would look poor. Do you think Artino is going to replace Dougie? Do you think Chatman is going to be "the man" next year? Do you see anyone else that roster that makes you go "Wow, at least they give me hope for the future."?


I WAS wrong on 1 thing, I'll save you the trouble of looking for it. The collapse I was hoping for didn't happen quite like I thought it would. They finished over 500 for the last 13 games of the season...but suffered 5 losses over that time. Multiple wins over a combination DePaul, Butler, St Johns, Marquette, Georgetown and UL-Lafayette.


Now....I'll wait for you to tell me how I'm wrong on the rest of the conference...other than thinking Nova was a s16 team. Shame on me for that one.


Or, tomcat, will you continue to throw Latin phrases out make zero sense in the context of the thread...

[clenz]

clenz for the win.

Mods please lock this thread. Nothing good can come from this.

I'll be curious to see if anyone admits being wrong. The Big East was way over rated this year. I knew (and said) it was over rated before the tourney. I was wrong, it was more over rated than I thought.

I wonder if anyone will admit that the RPI was wrong?

I doubt it.

They won't...

HOWEVER, they also won't admit that they are the same people though that were screaming about how the RPI sucks last year when the Mountain West Conference had the #1 rated conference in the RPI. They were leading the crusade at how easily the RPI could be manipulated (which is correct, technically. If tomcats admits the MWC was the best conference last season though.....I"ll probably shit myself.

[Seahawks08]

First off, I want to apologize for my last comment. I was drunk and very angry.

I'm going to take this one at a time, starting with this dumb argument about Nova being overrated.

So. About that Villanova team being overrated.

Alright tough guy, give me your 1s, 2s, 3s, and 4s for the tournament. I would love to see your arguments for placing 3, 4, or higher seeds ahead of Nova (who btw was the strongest 2 seed that got consideration for a 1 seed). I'll just laugh my way out the door, because based on their resume, they deserved that 2 seed, whether you like it or not.

What killed Nova in the Uconn game was not scoring for 10 minutes before the first half ended. And it's not like Uconn was some defensive juggernaut, Nova just missed open shots. At that point, I knew they were in trouble since likely no team in the tournament could withstand that and win the game, or even be in it quite frankly. Shit like that happens to most teams (not playing well for a period of time). It happened in the tournament, so it gets magnified. Uconn will most likely lose to Iowa State, but they were simply the better team on Saturday and I give them props (even though I hate them).

Moving on, Nova will lose two important seniors in James Bell and Tony Chenault. They will be replaced by 2 incoming top 100 freshmen. Nova should win the BE conference again next year and hopefully have a better showing in the tournament.

[Seahawks08]

You forgot to say f**k the Big East, and more importantly f**k the RPI. Any metric that puts the Big East ahead of the ACC should be immediately discarded.

Please tell me again who plays in the bottom half of the ACC? Do we just discard those teams from the conversation? I'm sorry that RPI counts for the WHOLE league. I am now finished arguing this point which you know to be fact.

[Seahawks08]

The Big East is a mid major conference.

That "mid major" conference is bringing in

#14, 26, 34, 35, 45, 47, 61, 71, 78, 81, 82, 83, and 91

recruits into the conference next year. That's 13 major recruits.

ACC - 16
SEC - 13
Big 10 - 12
Pac 12 - 11
Big 12 - 7

In other words, this is the greatest mid major conference of all time.

[GannonFan]

The Big East is a mid major conference.

That "mid major" conference is bringing in

#14, 26, 34, 35, 45, 47, 61, 71, 78, 81, 82, 83, and 91

recruits into the conference next year. That's 13 major recruits.

ACC - 16
SEC - 13
Big 10 - 12
Pac 12 - 11
Big 12 - 7

In other words, this is the greatest mid major conference of all time.

It is if you ignore performance in the NCAA tournament. Heck, even the A-10 still got a team into the Sweet 16.

Face it, the new Big East, to borrow from Dennis Green, was what we thought they were, and that being vastly overrated. nova still hasn't beaten a top 40 team since November, Creighton got blitzed by a team that was .500 in the Big 12, and Providence and Xavier were in and out of the tournament so fast it was hard to tell they were even there. And heck, nova got bounced by a team that was shunned by the new Big East, to add further insult to injury.

And now you have a coach leaving a leading Big East program to head a struggling bottom dweller in the ACC and it's hard not to see the writing on the wall - the new Big East, at this point, would aspire to be even just a shadow of the Big East it was before. It's tough when you consider that this year may have been the highwater mark of the new Big East - clenz is right, Creighton is not likely to repeat this performance (and even then they got blown out by 30 in the round of 32 - not stellar stuff there), Butler is liklely to be dead weight moving forward, and there aren't great prospects to steal from other conferences to bolster the ranks.

[clenz]

Their best hope is to grab VCU, Dayton, and SLU.

Dayton is a hot name right now but isn't this their first S16 in roughly 30 years? I think UNI has as many NCAA wins as them since UNI was a full fledged D1 in 1985 (Started the move in 1981).

SLU would be the best bet...Seems to bride the gap with Creighton and Marquette. Would like to have more of an EC presense.

VCU has been hot since about 2010. How long will they continue to be this hot? How long does Shaka stay? Maybe another decade plus...

However, what reason do those three have to leave the A10 right now? The A10 is every bit as good - if not better - than the current Big East. More momentum going forward as of now. East Coast presence with the conference tourney in Brooklyn.

After that who does the Big East go for? WSU is too far south and west...and is a public with pretty low academic/admission standards (which helps them get some of the talent they have). That doesn't really fit with the BE model from what I can tell.

The Big East's only hope is that Georgetown and Marquette become Elite Eight teams in the next two years..Xavier is Providence find ways to be S16 teams each year and Nova a Final Four team with Creighton continuing to do what they do with putting okay regular seasons together and losing int he round of 32

Basically they need 5 teams in the S16 plus a couple EE or FFs in the next two or three years to prove they are still what the old Big East was or lose any hope of landing teams *worth* landing.

UCONN isn't happening, Cinci isn't happening..both shunned by the Big East and looking B12/B1G/ACC. Hell, if the AAC pulls WSU to replace Louisville in a year or two expect those two to stay and be happy.

I'm not predicting the BE to fall off the face of the Earth, but it's more than fair to say that the A10, AAC, ACC, B10, B12, SEC, and PAC12 will all be better for the foreseeable future. The MWC is still pretty damn strong...and could be enticing to WSU if done right.


Then again, I'm a no nothing from Iowa...what could I understand about college basketball? Maybe it's because I live in the middle of the country and am not tied to *big boy bias* that I can look at these things through a clear set of glasses and think much more objectively than most.

Nah...that can't be.

[grizzaholic]

First off, I want to apologize for my last comment. I was drunk and very angry.

I'm going to take this one at a time, starting with this dumb argument about Nova being overrated.

So. About that Villanova team being overrated.

Alright tough guy, give me your 1s, 2s, 3s, and 4s for the tournament. I would love to see your arguments for placing 3, 4, or higher seeds ahead of Nova (who btw was the strongest 2 seed that got consideration for a 1 seed). I'll just laugh my way out the door, because based on their resume, they deserved that 2 seed, whether you like it or not.

What killed Nova in the Uconn game was not scoring for 10 minutes before the first half ended. And it's not like Uconn was some defensive juggernaut, Nova just missed open shots. At that point, I knew they were in trouble since likely no team in the tournament could withstand that and win the game, or even be in it quite frankly. Shit like that happens to most teams (not playing well for a period of time). It happened in the tournament, so it gets magnified. Uconn will most likely lose to Iowa State, but they were simply the better team on Saturday and I give them props (even though I hate them).

Moving on, Nova will lose two important seniors in James Bell and Tony Chenault. They will be replaced by 2 incoming top 100 freshmen. Nova should win the BE conference again next year and hopefully have a better showing in the tournament.

I'm a tough guy now? Cool!

Everyone else explained it better than I could.

Your post is full of excuses as to why they didn't make it to the 16.

[vutomcat]

First off, I want to apologize for my last comment. I was drunk and very angry.

I'm going to take this one at a time, starting with this dumb argument about Nova being overrated.



Alright tough guy, give me your 1s, 2s, 3s, and 4s for the tournament. I would love to see your arguments for placing 3, 4, or higher seeds ahead of Nova (who btw was the strongest 2 seed that got consideration for a 1 seed). I'll just laugh my way out the door, because based on their resume, they deserved that 2 seed, whether you like it or not.

What killed Nova in the Uconn game was not scoring for 10 minutes before the first half ended. And it's not like Uconn was some defensive juggernaut, Nova just missed open shots. At that point, I knew they were in trouble since likely no team in the tournament could withstand that and win the game, or even be in it quite frankly. **** like that happens to most teams (not playing well for a period of time). It happened in the tournament, so it gets magnified. Uconn will most likely lose to Iowa State, but they were simply the better team on Saturday and I give them props (even though I hate them).

Moving on, Nova will lose two important seniors in James Bell and Tony Chenault. They will be replaced by 2 incoming top 100 freshmen. Nova should win the BE conference again next year and hopefully have a better showing in the tournament.

So,other than Louisville , who had a great season from the "old big east"?

[grizzaholic]

How do you feed yourself? Do you forget where to put food because your attention span is ZERO?

I never said word 1 about the Big East. I don't watch any, I don't care, if I named more than 1 team from the Big East it would be pure luck. The only reason I know Villanova plays in that conference is because of this thread. You pick and answer whatever questions you wish. You are the worst kind of fan. Nothing but positive spin and when the loses come, out come the excuses.

Have fun with your overrated team. I can only hope that Villanova isn't overrated again next year, as we will get to revisit this dumpsterfire of a thread with CLENZ using a flame thrower and you a 12oz water bottle.

[vutomcat]

How do you feed yourself? Do you forget where to put food because your attention span is ZERO?

I never said word 1 about the Big East. I don't watch any, I don't care, if I named more than 1 team from the Big East it would be pure luck. The only reason I know Villanova plays in that conference is because of this thread. You pick and answer whatever questions you wish. You are the worst kind of fan. Nothing but positive spin and when the loses come, out come the excuses.

Have fun with your overrated team. I can only hope that Villanova isn't overrated again next year, as we will get to revisit this dumpsterfire of a thread with CLENZ using a flame thrower and you a 12oz water bottle.

You and clenz make quite a pair.

[grizzaholic]

How do you feed yourself? Do you forget where to put food because your attention span is ZERO?

I never said word 1 about the Big East. I don't watch any, I don't care, if I named more than 1 team from the Big East it would be pure luck. The only reason I know Villanova plays in that conference is because of this thread. You pick and answer whatever questions you wish. You are the worst kind of fan. Nothing but positive spin and when the loses come, out come the excuses.

Have fun with your overrated team. I can only hope that Villanova isn't overrated again next year, as we will get to revisit this dumpsterfire of a thread with CLENZ using a flame thrower and you a 12oz water bottle.

You and clenz make quite a pair.

I guess I just don't care as much as you so when you are wrong about something it hurts so much more. Especially when you spout off with a bunch of shit, and when someone (clenz) calls you out on it you get all butthurt.

I will say this though. You are a much better fan than I will ever be. You also will spend a lot more time defending them, grieving over them, praising them, and being an emotional basketcase than I will.

So, congrats! You made the tournament and won a game. Good for you