EPA Thugs

[BDKJMU]

"Wyoming welder faces $75,000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property

All Andy Johnson wanted to do was build a stock pond on his sprawling eight-acre Wyoming farm. He and his wife Katie spent hours constructing it, filling it with crystal-clear water, and bringing in brook and brown trout, ducks and geese. It was a place where his horses could drink and graze, and a private playground for his three children.

But instead of enjoying the fruits of his labor, the Wyoming welder says he was harangued by the federal government, stuck in what he calls a petty power play by the Environmental Protection Agency. He claims the agency is now threatening him with civil and criminal penalties – including the threat of a $75,000-a-day fine. ......."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03 ... -property/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Chizzang]

If he really did build a dam he's in for a HUGE surprise
If it turns out to not interrupt the proper flow of the stream (that he does NOT own) then he's fine

If you're going to "re-rout" a river or stream that is serious business
and requires a load of work in advance getting it properly evaluated
and when I say load of work in advance I'm talking like years

My brother was involved with a home outside of Seattle that was having a river run through the back yard
and just to build that close to the river was a complete nightmare

serious business

[BDKJMU]

If he really did build a dam he's in for a HUGE surprise
If it turns out to not interrupt the proper flow of the stream (that he does NOT own) then he's fine

If you're going to "re-rout" a river or stream that is serious business
and requires a load of work in advance getting it properly evaluated
and when I say load of work in advance I'm talking like years

My brother was involved with a home outside of Seattle that was having a river run through the back yard
and just to build that close to the river was a complete nightmare

serious business

He had a permit from Wyoming.

".....The property owner says he followed the state rules for a stock pond when he built it in 2012 and has an April 4-dated letter from the Wyoming State Engineer’s Office to prove it.

“Said permit is in good standing and is entitled to be exercised exactly as permitted,” the state agency letter to Johnson said....."

And how did the NAZIs at the EPA find out about his pond?

[BlueHen86]

If he really did build a dam he's in for a HUGE surprise
If it turns out to not interrupt the proper flow of the stream (that he does NOT own) then he's fine

If you're going to "re-rout" a river or stream that is serious business
and requires a load of work in advance getting it properly evaluated
and when I say load of work in advance I'm talking like years

My brother was involved with a home outside of Seattle that was having a river run through the back yard
and just to build that close to the river was a complete nightmare

serious business

He had a permit from Wyoming.

".....The property owner says he followed the state rules for a stock pond when he built it in 2012 and has an April 4-dated letter from the Wyoming State Engineer’s Office to prove it.

“Said permit is in good standing and is entitled to be exercised exactly as permitted,” the state agency letter to Johnson said....."

And how did the NAZIs at the EPA find out about his pond?

The Wyoming DEP may get funding from and work with the EPA. I know that the Pennsylvania DEP does.

[Chizzang]

If he really did build a dam he's in for a HUGE surprise
If it turns out to not interrupt the proper flow of the stream (that he does NOT own) then he's fine

If you're going to "re-rout" a river or stream that is serious business
and requires a load of work in advance getting it properly evaluated
and when I say load of work in advance I'm talking like years

My brother was involved with a home outside of Seattle that was having a river run through the back yard
and just to build that close to the river was a complete nightmare

serious business

He had a permit from Wyoming.

".....The property owner says he followed the state rules for a stock pond when he built it in 2012 and has an April 4-dated letter from the Wyoming State Engineer’s Office to prove it.

“Said permit is in good standing and is entitled to be exercised exactly as permitted,” the state agency letter to Johnson said....."

And how did the NAZIs at the EPA find out about his pond?

The state of Wyoming can give him a letter and a permit and a big wet kiss on the cheek
It doesn't mean he can A) Create a dam B) Alter a river or stream from it's natural course

Pretty simple really
You can also get a permit from Wyoming to dig a well on your property
which would - in turn - not allow you to build a dam or alter the course of a stream or river

See how that works...

[BlueHen86]

He had a permit from Wyoming.

".....The property owner says he followed the state rules for a stock pond when he built it in 2012 and has an April 4-dated letter from the Wyoming State Engineer’s Office to prove it.

“Said permit is in good standing and is entitled to be exercised exactly as permitted,” the state agency letter to Johnson said....."

And how did the NAZIs at the EPA find out about his pond?

The state of Wyoming can give him a letter and a permit and a big wet kiss on the cheek
It doesn't mean he can A) Create a dam B) Alter a river or stream from it's natural course

Pretty simple really
You can also get a permit from Wyoming to dig a well on your property
which would - in turn - not allow you to build a dam or alter the course of a stream or river

See how that works...

I'd like more information on this. Fox news paints the homeowner as a victim and the EPA as the bad guy, which may be true, but might not be.

[Chizzang]

The state of Wyoming can give him a letter and a permit and a big wet kiss on the cheek
It doesn't mean he can A) Create a dam B) Alter a river or stream from it's natural course

Pretty simple really
You can also get a permit from Wyoming to dig a well on your property
which would - in turn - not allow you to build a dam or alter the course of a stream or river

See how that works...

I'd like more information on this. Fox news paints the homeowner as a victim and the EPA as the bad guy, which may be true, but might not be.

Indeed,
That is FOX News job in cases such as these
and I agree with you also that there is very likely MORE to be known than what is covered in the news report and even the state of Wyoming - unpopulated as it is - knows the Federal regulations on land use

It's likely somebody "down stream" reported this guy

[CAA Flagship]

The state of Wyoming can give him a letter and a permit and a big wet kiss on the cheek
It doesn't mean he can A) Create a dam B) Alter a river or stream from it's natural course

Pretty simple really
You can also get a permit from Wyoming to dig a well on your property
which would - in turn - not allow you to build a dam or alter the course of a stream or river

See how that works...

I'd like more information on this. Fox news paints the homeowner as a victim and the EPA as the bad guy, which may be true, but might not be.

Don't look for MSNBC to finish painting the picture. If they did, you will find that a habitat for endangered fuckalumps were destroyed during construction and that the pond is being used for baptisms.

[BlueHen86]

I'd like more information on this. Fox news paints the homeowner as a victim and the EPA as the bad guy, which may be true, but might not be.

Don't look for MSNBC to finish painting the picture. If they did, you will find that a habitat for endangered fuckalumps were destroyed during construction and that the pond is being used for baptisms.

I don't waste my time with MSNBC or FOX, they both suck. But this thread was started based on a FOX News report, so I'm not sure what MSNBC has to do with this.

[BlueHen86]

I'd like more information on this. Fox news paints the homeowner as a victim and the EPA as the bad guy, which may be true, but might not be.

Indeed,
That is FOX News job in cases such as these
and I agree with you also that there is very likely MORE to be known than what is covered in the news report and even the state of Wyoming - unpopulated as it is - knows the Federal regulations on land use

It's likely somebody "down stream" reported this guy

That could be. Water rights are a big deal, and if this dam negatively impacted a downstream landowner's riparian rights I can see why this would be a problem.

[YoUDeeMan]

Indeed,
That is FOX News job in cases such as these
and I agree with you also that there is very likely MORE to be known than what is covered in the news report and even the state of Wyoming - unpopulated as it is - knows the Federal regulations on land use

It's likely somebody "down stream" reported this guy

That could be. Water rights are a big deal, and if this dam negatively impacted a downstream landowner's riparian rights I can see why this would be a problem.

Many, many years ago, one of my Geography professors told our class that if anyone wanted to get wealthy and have a job that would last a lifetime, we should become a lawyer that specialized in water laws and regulations.

I'm doing well in another field, but that was a smart professor. The great lakes are shrinking, Gawd Damned USA's population is still growing, and those contrails aren't producing megawater rainfall everywhere.

[JohnStOnge]

Obviously it will never happen but if it were up to me I'd eliminate the EPA.

BTW, the "Clean Water Act" is, to me, a poster child example of the way in which we've lost our way in allowing the evolution of a system in which we have "professional" legislators who feel like they have to pass laws.

Go just kind of look at it at http://www.epa.gov/npdes/pubs/cwatxt.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

[Chizzang]

Obviously it will never happen but if it were up to me I'd eliminate the EPA.

BTW, the "Clean Water Act" is, to me, a poster child example of the way in which we've lost our way in allowing the evolution of a system in which we have "professional" legislators who feel like they have to pass laws.

Go just kind of look at it at http://www.epa.gov/npdes/pubs/cwatxt.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

"Eliminate the EPA" is what all the Republican Cool Kids are saying these days...
China doesn't even have an EPA

[kalm]

Obviously it will never happen but if it were up to me I'd eliminate the EPA.

BTW, the "Clean Water Act" is, to me, a poster child example of the way in which we've lost our way in allowing the evolution of a system in which we have "professional" legislators who feel like they have to pass laws.

Go just kind of look at it at http://www.epa.gov/npdes/pubs/cwatxt.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Yeah! Let's go back to the days of rivers on fire and three eyed fish!

[kalm]

If he really did build a dam he's in for a HUGE surprise
If it turns out to not interrupt the proper flow of the stream (that he does NOT own) then he's fine

If you're going to "re-rout" a river or stream that is serious business
and requires a load of work in advance getting it properly evaluated
and when I say load of work in advance I'm talking like years

My brother was involved with a home outside of Seattle that was having a river run through the back yard
and just to build that close to the river was a complete nightmare

serious business

This.

We were inspected by the DOE after their satellite recon picked up the "construction of a dam" on our property. The "dam" was actually just increasing the height of the bank on a pound to prevent it from over-flowing during run-off. We were then told that pumping water from the storm water holding ponds on a neighboring property was illegal for commercial irrigation purposes. Rain water MUST re-charge the aquifer before human consumption.

This shit is real.

[grizzaholic]

Obviously it will never happen but if it were up to me I'd eliminate the EPA.

BTW, the "Clean Water Act" is, to me, a poster child example of the way in which we've lost our way in allowing the evolution of a system in which we have "professional" legislators who feel like they have to pass laws.

Go just kind of look at it at http://www.epa.gov/npdes/pubs/cwatxt.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Yeah! Let's go back to the days of rivers on fire and three eyed fish!

You just don't like the 3-eyed fish because they can tell the difference between your flies and real ones.

[houndawg]

"Wyoming welder faces $75,000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property

All Andy Johnson wanted to do was build a stock pond on his sprawling eight-acre Wyoming farm. He and his wife Katie spent hours constructing it, filling it with crystal-clear water, and bringing in brook and brown trout, ducks and geese. It was a place where his horses could drink and graze, and a private playground for his three children.

But instead of enjoying the fruits of his labor, the Wyoming welder says he was harangued by the federal government, stuck in what he calls a petty power play by the Environmental Protection Agency. He claims the agency is now threatening him with civil and criminal penalties – including the threat of a $75,000-a-day fine. ......."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03 ... -property/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How big of a pond can we be talking about?

[AZGrizFan]

"Wyoming welder faces $75,000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property

All Andy Johnson wanted to do was build a stock pond on his sprawling eight-acre Wyoming farm. He and his wife Katie spent hours constructing it, filling it with crystal-clear water, and bringing in brook and brown trout, ducks and geese. It was a place where his horses could drink and graze, and a private playground for his three children.

But instead of enjoying the fruits of his labor, the Wyoming welder says he was harangued by the federal government, stuck in what he calls a petty power play by the Environmental Protection Agency. He claims the agency is now threatening him with civil and criminal penalties – including the threat of a $75,000-a-day fine. ......."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03 ... -property/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How big of a pond can we be talking about?

I must admit I chuckled at that as well.

[kalm]

Yeah! Let's go back to the days of rivers on fire and three eyed fish!

You just don't like the 3-eyed fish because they can tell the difference between your flies and real ones.

Bullshit. ALL fish fear me...including the three-eyed.

[Grizalltheway]

Tman rant in 5...4...3...

[Chizzang]

Tman rant in 5...4...3...

I too enthusiastically await his profanity littered apoplectic response

[houndawg]

Tman rant in 5...4...3...

I too enthusiastically await his profanity littered apoplectic response

John St. Wronge lite -only 10% of the moon-bat fundamentalism..

[JohnStOnge]

As is always the case, the culture over reacted. It's one thing to prevent rivers from catching fire. What EPA has done has gone way beyond that.

I don't think any rivers are going to catch fire because somebody makes a pond on their land.

The existence of the EPA, on balance, is a negative.

[grizzaholic]

You just don't like the 3-eyed fish because they can tell the difference between your flies and real ones.

Bullshit. ALL fish fear me...including the three-eyed.

I will take that bet. I out-fish my flyfisherman friends most of the time. We do need to meet up for a weekend fishing/camping/drinking thing.

[kalm]

Bullshit. ALL fish fear me...including the three-eyed.

I will take that bet. I out-fish my flyfisherman friends most of the time. We do need to meet up for a weekend fishing/camping/drinking thing.