First Donkey Loses Race over ObamaCare....

[Ivytalk]

Uh oh...looks like there might have been more to the spending story in this race...

Jolly’s campaign raised and spent $1.3 million—barely half the total for Sink, whose background in the financial sector and in politics, as a former gubernatorial candidate, gave her some early advantages. As the campaign played out in February and early March, the polls suggested that Sink might secure an upset

Then Republican-allied national groups rushed to Jolly’s rescue

According to an analysis by Center for Public Integrity:

The National Republican Congressional Committee poured $2.2 million into the district.
 
The US Chamber of Commerce came through with $1.2 million.
 
The American Action Network, a group with close ties to the national GOP establishment, ponied up $470,000.
 
Karl Rove’s American Crossroads project was good for $470,000.
The Florida Republican Party and other Republican-allied and conservative groups pumped hundreds of thousands of additional dollars into the district.

To be sure, outside groups that favored Sink spent heavily on the race. But Jolly had the advantage. Roughly $5 million in outside money aided the Republican cause, as compared with roughly $3.7 million from groups that were friendly to the Democrat, according to the Center for Public Integrity.

The spending spree brought Jolly across the line by 3,456 votes Tuesday night. But that’s hardly a dramatic accomplishment, considering that the Republican nominee ran as a fifth-generation Floridianwith deep roots in the district and a claim on Young’s legacy—as the former general counsel for the congressman.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/178806/mo ... lorida-win" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yup. Even Karl Rove freely admits that in today's WSJ. The spending edge for Sink overall was a mere $100,000.

So who needs The Nation?

[Baldy]

Am I'm the one who needs perspective....

I'm not ashamed of voting for Obama in 2008 at all
Between a senile old McSame and Obama - a guy who seemed like he was at least going to try and "change" the same old same old

I'm interested in your point Baldy
what, That I was fooled by a politician..?

Happens all the time (see: Christy) to a whole bunch of people
I'm not afraid of being wrong and am also capable of changing my mind
two things that seem to terrify you 1) Being wrong about something and 2) Changing a thought

You don't need to know everything Baldy
It's called thinking
try it... it's refreshing

You weren't fooled, Cleets. That's a cop out. Unfortunately, you fell in the same trap with the mouth breathers, you were blinded. Now, I'm not calling you a mouth breather, but you knew who he was, his associations, his beliefs...you knew everything you needed to know about the guy. You were warned MULTIPLE times, but you chose not to listen. We get it, we understand...you let your emotions get in the way, you were duped.

Lets make a deal, Monty. I'll start "thinking" and you start reading and researching and finding out all you can about the jackass for whom you're going to pull the lever. Deal? It's refreshing to see what you could learn.

Oh BTW, I'll readily admit that I am wrong all the time. Just ask my wife.

[Chizzang]

I'm not ashamed of voting for Obama in 2008 at all
Between a senile old McSame and Obama - a guy who seemed like he was at least going to try and "change" the same old same old

I'm interested in your point Baldy
what, That I was fooled by a politician..?

Happens all the time (see: Christy) to a whole bunch of people
I'm not afraid of being wrong and am also capable of changing my mind
two things that seem to terrify you 1) Being wrong about something and 2) Changing a thought

You don't need to know everything Baldy
It's called thinking
try it... it's refreshing

You weren't fooled, Cleets. That's a cop out. Unfortunately, you fell in the same trap with the mouth breathers, you were blinded. Now, I'm not calling you a mouth breather, but you knew who he was, his associations, his beliefs...you knew everything you needed to know about the guy. You were warned MULTIPLE times, but you chose not to listen. We get it, we understand...you let your emotions get in the way, you were duped.

Lets make a deal, Monty. I'll start "thinking" and you start reading and researching and finding out all you can about the jackass for whom you're going to pull the lever. Deal? It's refreshing to see what you could learn.

Oh BTW, I'll readily admit that I am wrong all the time. Just ask my wife.

No actually I was fooled / he puts on a pretty good show and lied on top of that
I was fooled - its just that simple

and again I'm not sure your point because on this very thread you've been wrong multiple times and you continue to SPIN instead of just admitting you were wrong

Baldy you're a fighter
Its an admirable quality and important in so many ways - but - its used to mask your insecurities
I don't care that much if I'm wrong / you would rather die than be wrong (on this forum)

Your posts prove that point over and over and over
We get it - and its okay

[dbackjon]

Uh oh...looks like there might have been more to the spending story in this race...

Jolly’s campaign raised and spent $1.3 million—barely half the total for Sink, whose background in the financial sector and in politics, as a former gubernatorial candidate, gave her some early advantages. As the campaign played out in February and early March, the polls suggested that Sink might secure an upset

Then Republican-allied national groups rushed to Jolly’s rescue

According to an analysis by Center for Public Integrity:

The National Republican Congressional Committee poured $2.2 million into the district.
 
The US Chamber of Commerce came through with $1.2 million.
 
The American Action Network, a group with close ties to the national GOP establishment, ponied up $470,000.
 
Karl Rove’s American Crossroads project was good for $470,000.
The Florida Republican Party and other Republican-allied and conservative groups pumped hundreds of thousands of additional dollars into the district.

To be sure, outside groups that favored Sink spent heavily on the race. But Jolly had the advantage. Roughly $5 million in outside money aided the Republican cause, as compared with roughly $3.7 million from groups that were friendly to the Democrat, according to the Center for Public Integrity.

The spending spree brought Jolly across the line by 3,456 votes Tuesday night. But that’s hardly a dramatic accomplishment, considering that the Republican nominee ran as a fifth-generation Floridianwith deep roots in the district and a claim on Young’s legacy—as the former general counsel for the congressman.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/178806/mo ... lorida-win" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So Jolly outspent Sink?

[Chizzang]

Uh oh...looks like there might have been more to the spending story in this race...




http://www.thenation.com/blog/178806/mo ... lorida-win" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So Jolly outspent Sink?

Baldy has a whole slew of things in this thread to respond to...
And always being right - will make that difficult
But ultimately he'll show us how we are all wrong and he was right again (as always)

[BlueHen86]

Call me when a democrat is actually unseated.

Exactly. Both sides can/will spin this, but until either side actually starts losing seats I wouldn't read too much into this. Unfortunately, putting too much into this is part of the spin.

[Baldy]

You weren't fooled, Cleets. That's a cop out. Unfortunately, you fell in the same trap with the mouth breathers, you were blinded. Now, I'm not calling you a mouth breather, but you knew who he was, his associations, his beliefs...you knew everything you needed to know about the guy. You were warned MULTIPLE times, but you chose not to listen. We get it, we understand...you let your emotions get in the way, you were duped.

Lets make a deal, Monty. I'll start "thinking" and you start reading and researching and finding out all you can about the jackass for whom you're going to pull the lever. Deal? It's refreshing to see what you could learn.

Oh BTW, I'll readily admit that I am wrong all the time. Just ask my wife.

No actually I was fooled / he puts on a pretty good show and lied on top of that
I was fooled - its just that simple

and again I'm not sure your point because on this very thread you've been wrong multiple times and you continue to SPIN instead of just admitting you were wrong

Baldy you're a fighter
Its an admirable quality and important in so many ways - but - its used to mask your insecurities
I don't care that much if I'm wrong / you would rather die than be wrong (on this forum)

Your posts prove that point over and over and over
We get it - and its okay

It's possible I've been wrong in this thread (feel free to point them out), but you being the 1st runner-up to spanos (in a photo finish) for the King of Conjecture title have absolutely no room to talk...to anyone.

Tell ya what Cleets, I'll gladly admit to being wrong anytime you want as long as you admit that you were blinded by the Obama aurora.

[Chizzang]

It's possible I've been wrong in this thread (feel free to point them out), but you being the 1st runner-up to spanos (in a photo finish) for the King of Conjecture title have absolutely no room to talk...to anyone.

Tell ya what Cleets, I'll gladly admit to being wrong anytime you want as long as you admit that you were blinded by the Obama aurora.

It always seems to end up like this



You're a difficult person to respect

[Cap'n Cat]

Republican David Jolly upset Democrat Alex Sink in a special election to fill the Florida House seat vacated by the late Rep. CW Bill Young, who died after a 42-year career in the Congress. The race closely focused on ObamaCare. Jolly portrayed Sink as an Obama/Pelosi clone, and that spoke to voters. Jolly won a narrow race despite being outspent 3 to 1 on TV ads.



http://news.yahoo.com/republican-jolly- ... ction.html

Think before you start threads, Nancy.

[Cap'n Cat]

It's possible I've been wrong in this thread (feel free to point them out), but you being the 1st runner-up to spanos (in a photo finish) for the King of Conjecture title have absolutely no room to talk...to anyone.

Tell ya what Cleets, I'll gladly admit to being wrong anytime you want as long as you admit that you were blinded by the Obama aurora.

It always seems to end up like this



You're a difficult person to respect

Obama's black. Baldy doesn't like black people in his White House. Doesn't like to see black people beat white people in anything. That's all.....

[D1B]

My farts smell like tuna fish.

[BDKJMU]

It always seems to end up like this



You're a difficult person to respect

Obama's black. Baldy doesn't like black people in his White House. Doesn't like to see black people beat white people in anything. That's all.....

Obama's half white...

[CID1990]

Call me when a democrat is actually unseated.

Exactly. Both sides can/will spin this, but until either side actually starts losing seats I wouldn't read too much into this. Unfortunately, putting too much into this is part of the spin.

Well when you lose the Gray Lady it's a little harder to spin

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[kalm]

Uh oh...looks like there might have been more to the spending story in this race...




http://www.thenation.com/blog/178806/mo ... lorida-win" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yup. Even Karl Rove freely admits that in today's WSJ. The spending edge for Sink overall was a mere $100,000.

So who needs The Nation?

Anyone who reads the WSJ.

[Ivytalk]

Yup. Even Karl Rove freely admits that in today's WSJ. The spending edge for Sink overall was a mere $100,000.

So who needs The Nation?

Anyone who reads the WSJ.

Right. I'm hurting for my weekly "fix" of Katha Pollitt and Alex Cockburn.

[GannonFan]

Yup. Even Karl Rove freely admits that in today's WSJ. The spending edge for Sink overall was a mere $100,000.

So who needs The Nation?

Anyone who reads the WSJ.

Dissing the WSJ, shame on you kalmie. Sure, the editorial pages are right-slanted, but otherwise the paper is as good as it gets. For shame.

[Ibanez]

Anyone who reads the WSJ.

Dissing the WSJ, shame on you kalmie. Sure, the editorial pages are right-slanted, but otherwise the paper is as good as it gets. For shame.

What do you know, you hack!

[kalm]

Anyone who reads the WSJ.

Dissing the WSJ, shame on you kalmie. Sure, the editorial pages are right-slanted, but otherwise the paper is as good as it gets. For shame.

Right slanted?

It is the epitome of establishment media is corporatist by nature and leans at least center right. Sorry, the WSJ doesn't deserve a pass either.

[GannonFan]

Dissing the WSJ, shame on you kalmie. Sure, the editorial pages are right-slanted, but otherwise the paper is as good as it gets. For shame.

Right slanted?

It is the epitome of establishment media is corporatist by nature and leans at least center right. Sorry, the WSJ doesn't deserve a pass either.

Your's must be a strange and tough world to live in. Conspiracies and meddling at every level and every facet of life. You'd better be careful, you're starting to slip into expandos land with your distrust of anything and everything.

[UNI88]

You weren't fooled, Cleets. That's a cop out. Unfortunately, you fell in the same trap with the mouth breathers, you were blinded. Now, I'm not calling you a mouth breather, but you knew who he was, his associations, his beliefs...you knew everything you needed to know about the guy. You were warned MULTIPLE times, but you chose not to listen. We get it, we understand...you let your emotions get in the way, you were duped.

Question for you oh Bald one - who should people have voted for in 2008?

I was not fooled by Obama. He did a nice job of presenting himself as something of a liberal centrist change agent (easy to do when you have very little history/track record to be used against you) but I live in Illinois and my suspicions were too strong to buy his shtick. And while I had serious reservations about Obama, I had just as serious of reservations about McCain continuing the big spending neo-conservative policies of Bush II while also being a loose cannon who was going to get us into some serious trouble. If I remember correctly, I voted for Bob Barr because a protest vote was better than a vote for either of the two jagoffs from the major parties.

[kalm]

Right slanted?

It is the epitome of establishment media is corporatist by nature and leans at least center right. Sorry, the WSJ doesn't deserve a pass either.

Your's must be a strange and tough world to live in. Conspiracies and meddling at every level and every facet of life. You'd better be careful, you're starting to slip into expandos land with your distrust of anything and everything.

So which part of my post do you disagree with?

I like Stephen Moore quite a bit. He's a sincere and well spoken warrior of the right. But his very presence on the editorial staff tips them WAY past slanted.

Or is it the establishment media point that you take umbrage with? Something like less than 10 companies control 90% of the media. They are corporatist by nature which leans them center right. This indisputable.

You're better than this Ganny. A reasoned response would have been 'most media show some bias Kalm, including my beloved WSJ and your left wing rags, but we're smart enough to read between the lines and pick out the bullshit, aren't we?'

Aren't we?

[kalm]

You weren't fooled, Cleets. That's a cop out. Unfortunately, you fell in the same trap with the mouth breathers, you were blinded. Now, I'm not calling you a mouth breather, but you knew who he was, his associations, his beliefs...you knew everything you needed to know about the guy. You were warned MULTIPLE times, but you chose not to listen. We get it, we understand...you let your emotions get in the way, you were duped.

Question for you oh Bald one - who should people have voted for in 2008?

I was not fooled by Obama. He did a nice job of presenting himself as something of a liberal centrist change agent (easy to do when you have very little history/track record to be used against you) but I live in Illinois and my suspicions were too strong to buy his shtick. And while I had serious reservations about Obama, I had just as serious of reservations about McCain continuing the big spending neo-conservative policies of Bush II while also being a loose cannon who was going to get us into some serious trouble. If I remember correctly, I voted for Bob Barr because a protest vote was better than a vote for either of the two jagoffs from the major parties.

Bob Barr is one of Kalm's favorite conservatives. Good choice.

[Baldy]

It's possible I've been wrong in this thread (feel free to point them out), but you being the 1st runner-up to spanos (in a photo finish) for the King of Conjecture title have absolutely no room to talk...to anyone.

Tell ya what Cleets, I'll gladly admit to being wrong anytime you want as long as you admit that you were blinded by the Obama aurora.

It always seems to end up like this



You're a difficult person to respect

Damn Chizzy, that was harsh.

I don't think I'll get a wink of sleep tonight.

[Baldy]

It always seems to end up like this



You're a difficult person to respect

Obama's black. Baldy doesn't like black people in his White House. Doesn't like to see black people beat white people in anything. That's all.....

Watch it, Cat.

[CitadelGrad]

Question for you oh Bald one - who should people have voted for in 2008?

I was not fooled by Obama. He did a nice job of presenting himself as something of a liberal centrist change agent (easy to do when you have very little history/track record to be used against you) but I live in Illinois and my suspicions were too strong to buy his shtick. And while I had serious reservations about Obama, I had just as serious of reservations about McCain continuing the big spending neo-conservative policies of Bush II while also being a loose cannon who was going to get us into some serious trouble. If I remember correctly, I voted for Bob Barr because a protest vote was better than a vote for either of the two jagoffs from the major parties.

Bob Barr is one of Kalm's favorite conservatives. Good choice.

He's a Libertarian and libertarian.