kalm's Morning Wood

[Baldy]

Vermont's Bernie Sanders readies 2016 run, blasts 'Clinton type of politics'

Progressive Sen. Bernie Sanders is readying a potential 2016 presidential primary challenge to Hillary Clinton, claiming that the “same old same old ... Clinton type of politics” won't solve the problems of the nation.

“I am prepared to run for president of the United States. I don't believe that I am the only person out there who can fight this fight, but I am certainly prepared to look seriously at that race,” he told The Nation's John Nichols.

Sanders, a Vermont independent who caucuses with the Democrats, has toyed with a presidential bid before, but this is the furthest he’s gone in announcing his bid. While he hasn’t begun fundraising, Sanders said he is discussing a run with key advisors.

Obama on steroids, just exactly what we need.

[kalm]

Vermont's Bernie Sanders readies 2016 run, blasts 'Clinton type of politics'

Progressive Sen. Bernie Sanders is readying a potential 2016 presidential primary challenge to Hillary Clinton, claiming that the “same old same old ... Clinton type of politics” won't solve the problems of the nation.

“I am prepared to run for president of the United States. I don't believe that I am the only person out there who can fight this fight, but I am certainly prepared to look seriously at that race,” he told The Nation's John Nichols.

Sanders, a Vermont independent who caucuses with the Democrats, has toyed with a presidential bid before, but this is the furthest he’s gone in announcing his bid. While he hasn’t begun fundraising, Sanders said he is discussing a run with key advisors.

Obama on steroids, just exactly what we need.

Praise be to Greenwald! Hail Taibbi, full of grace!

I'm not sure if I could support old Bernie but if he had been elected president instead of Obama he would have, or at least attempted to:

Investigate, reform, or abolish the FED (along with the support of Ron Paul, Citadelgrad, and libertarians everywhere)

Prosecute Wall Street execs.

Not appoint Tim Geithner or Eric Holder.

Bring back Glass-Steagal.

Got our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan quicker (with the support of traditional non-interventionist conservatives)

Provide a much more effective stimulus with serious infrastructure investments.

Not kill a US citizen without due process.

Curtail abuses of the security state.

End the War on Drugs.

Limit the abuses of the for-profit prison and college industrial complexes.

You, once again, are confused by what Obama is.

[Baldy]

Vermont's Bernie Sanders readies 2016 run, blasts 'Clinton type of politics'



Obama on steroids, just exactly what we need.

Praise be to Greenwald! Hail Taibbi, full of grace!

I'm not sure if I could support old Bernie but if he had been elected president instead of Obama he would have, or at least attempted to:

Investigate, reform, or abolish the FED (along with the support of Ron Paul, Citadelgrad, and libertarians everywhere)

Prosecute Wall Street execs.

Not appoint Tim Geithner or Eric Holder.

Bring back Glass-Steagal.

Got our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan quicker (with the support of traditional non-interventionist conservatives)

Provide a much more effective stimulus with serious infrastructure investments.

Not kill a US citizen without due process.

Curtail abuses of the security state.

End the War on Drugs.

Limit the abuses of the for-profit prison and college industrial complexes.

You, once again, are confused by what Obama is.

And you, once again, do not realize that although Obama and Bernie are brothers from another mother regarding political philosophy, they cannot govern that way. Obama learned that rather quickly while Bernie hasn't.

[CID1990]

You, once again, are confused by what Obama is.

So are you

Obama isn't some kind of conservative Manchurian candidate- he isn't that sinister nor is he that complicated

He's a liberal. Slightly less so in practice than Nader, much more so than Clinton

The problem with Obama isn't that he's to the right. The problem with Obama is that he is weak, inexperienced (still), and he has no clue how to govern based on his own professed principles

[YoUDeeMan]

You, once again, are confused by what Obama is.

So are you

Obama isn't some kind of conservative Manchurian candidate- he isn't that sinister nor is he that complicated

He's a liberal. Slightly less so in practice than Nader, much more so than Clinton

The problem with Obama isn't that he's to the right. The problem with Obama is that he is weak, inexperienced (still), and he has no clue how to govern based on his own professed principles

We should make a book from CID's quotes...the world would be a much better place if that book was required reading for everyone over the age of 14.

[Baldy]

You, once again, are confused by what Obama is.

So are you

Obama isn't some kind of conservative Manchurian candidate- he isn't that sinister nor is he that complicated

He's a liberal. Slightly less so in practice than Nader, much more so than Clinton

The problem with Obama isn't that he's to the right. The problem with Obama is that he is weak, inexperienced (still), and he has no clue how to govern based on his own professed principles

Fuck no. He's a Reaganite because Greenwald and Taibbi say so!

[kalm]

You, once again, are confused by what Obama is.

So are you

Obama isn't some kind of conservative Manchurian candidate- he isn't that sinister nor is he that complicated

He's a liberal. Slightly less so in practice than Nader, much more so than Clinton

The problem with Obama isn't that he's to the right. The problem with Obama is that he is weak, inexperienced (still), and he has no clue how to govern based on his own professed principles

I think the last paragraph may be closer to the truth. The rest...meh.

Sanders, Warren, Nader, are definitely liberals, but name me the 5 most liberal things Obama has done while in office. Healthcare? He took a Heritage Foundation plan from the 90's mixed with Romneycare and gift wrapped it for insurance and pharmaceutical companies while liberals were pushing for single payer.

If you're a liberal, what other causes has he truly gone to bat for? Campaign finance? Immigration (he's deported more illegals than Bush and Reagan provided amnesty). How about banking reform, prosecution of Wall Street, challenging the financial establishment, breaking up monopolies?

Security state?

Gay rights? (He reluctantly came around to endorse but never fought for it)

War on Drugs? (Continued to prosecute until Wa and Co)

Class warfare? (The rich continue to do quite well under Obama)

Taxes? (90% of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent while payroll tax breaks were allowed to sunset)

War?

You told me a short while ago that there are very few true conservatives left. I might be willing to submit the same regarding liberals. We have almost complete corporate capture and that explains this phenomena.

Obama is about as liberal as Bush was conservative.

[kalm]

So are you

Obama isn't some kind of conservative Manchurian candidate- he isn't that sinister nor is he that complicated

He's a liberal. Slightly less so in practice than Nader, much more so than Clinton

The problem with Obama isn't that he's to the right. The problem with Obama is that he is weak, inexperienced (still), and he has no clue how to govern based on his own professed principles

Fuck no. He's a Reaganite because Greenwald and Taibbi say so!

He's a Reaganite based on his record. Conk projection notwithstanding.

[kalm]

So are you

Obama isn't some kind of conservative Manchurian candidate- he isn't that sinister nor is he that complicated

He's a liberal. Slightly less so in practice than Nader, much more so than Clinton

The problem with Obama isn't that he's to the right. The problem with Obama is that he is weak, inexperienced (still), and he has no clue how to govern based on his own professed principles

We should make a book from CID's quotes...the world would be a much better place if that book was required reading for everyone over the age of 14.

I agree with this.

[UNI88]

You, once again, are confused by what Obama is.

So are you

Obama isn't some kind of conservative Manchurian candidate- he isn't that sinister nor is he that complicated

He's a liberal. Slightly less so in practice than Nader, much more so than Clinton

The problem with Obama isn't that he's to the right. The problem with Obama is that he is weak, inexperienced (still), and he has no clue how to govern based on his own professed principles

No mention of him being a Chicago politician who "takes care of his friends"?

[Ivytalk]

Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul aren't that far apart.

[kalm]

Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul aren't that far apart.

Thank you...sincerely.

[CID1990]

So are you

Obama isn't some kind of conservative Manchurian candidate- he isn't that sinister nor is he that complicated

He's a liberal. Slightly less so in practice than Nader, much more so than Clinton

The problem with Obama isn't that he's to the right. The problem with Obama is that he is weak, inexperienced (still), and he has no clue how to govern based on his own professed principles

No mention of him being a Chicago politician who "takes care of his friends"?

That really doesn't set him apart from any of the others.

[CID1990]

Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul aren't that far apart.

Gawd I wish I was out of the service already or he was retired from Congress I would tell you guys my Bernie Sanders story

[BDKJMU]

Healthcare? He took a snippet of a Heritage Foundation plan from the 90's mixed with a bit of made for a state Romneycare and turned it into a 2700+ page behenmoth with tens of thousands of pages of regulations that will ulitimately bankrupt insurance companies and lead to single payer.

FIFY

[BDKJMU]

Taxes? (90% of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent while payroll tax breaks were allowed to sunset)

-Massive 2013 tax increase with the Fiscal Cliff deal 1/1/13.
-Massive tax increases with Obamacare (something like 14 new taxes, many which will hit heavily on the middle class).
-Still calling for more tax increases...

Social security payroll tax breaks were suppose to be for 1 year and were extended for a # of times. Not allowing them to sunset would mean social security would even bankrupt faster..

[Baldy]

Fuck no. He's a Reaganite because Greenwald and Taibbi say so!

He's a Reaganite based on his record. Conk projection notwithstanding.

Sure, just like Jimmy Carter was the new Calvin Coolidge.
Sorry kalm, you can find similarities between almost any two word leaders on a few specific issues, but the truth (and even you know it) is that Obama and Reagan's political philosophies are about as polar opposite as you can get. Hell, FDR and Hitler have much more in common than Obama and Reagan ever will.

[Baldy]

Healthcare? He took a snippet of a Heritage Foundation plan from the 90's mixed with a bit of made for a state Romneycare and turned it into a 2700+ page behenmoth with tens of thousands of pages of regulations that will ulitimately bankrupt insurance companies and lead to single payer.

FIFY

Exactly. Even Obama's Obamacare Czar has said that the ACA was designed to make insurance companies fail and go bankrupt.

[kalm]

Taxes? (90% of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent while payroll tax breaks were allowed to sunset)

-Massive 2013 tax increase with the Fiscal Cliff deal 1/1/13.
-Massive tax increases with Obamacare (something like 14 new taxes, many which will hit heavily on the middle class).
-Still calling for more tax increases...

Social security payroll tax breaks were suppose to be for 1 year and were extended for a # of times. Not allowing them to sunset would mean social security would even bankrupt faster..

Boy you guys are sure having to reach to come up with Obama's top 5 most liberal actions.

Raising taxes on the middle class? Why...how very Reaganesque of him. But you're right BDK, he did "massively" raise taxes, especially on top marginal workers. All the way up to the same rate it was under the much more conservative Clinton:

Tax Rates

Obama was first elected in 2008 on a promise not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year in family income. That’s a promise he’s fulfilled with only minor exceptions, such as a 10 percent tax on tanning salons included in the Affordable Care Act. Meanwhile, his 2009 stimulus package delivered temporary tax cuts for most working people, and for all of 2011 and 2012, he secured a 2 percentage point reduction in the Social Security payroll tax.

For his entire first term, the federal income tax cuts signed by Bush in 2001 and 2003 remained in effect, with no increase on anyone. As of 2013, a result of the “fiscal cliff” deal struck with House Republicans at the end of last year, the top income tax rate will go up by 4.6 percentage points, to 39.6 percent — the same top rate that applied during Clinton’s administration.

The new top rate only applies to family income over $450,000, or single income over $400,000. Income under those limits will be taxed at the same rates set by the Bush tax legislation, plus a bit more in many cases.

Persons with more than $250,000 in family income (and singles with over $200,000 income) also face some additional taxes under the Affordable Care Act, including an additional 3.8 percent tax on net “investment income” and a 0.9 percent add-on Medicare tax on payroll income exceeding $200,000. Both of those new taxes took effect Jan. 1.

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[kalm]

FIFY

Exactly. Even Obama's Obamacare Czar has said that the ACA was designed to make insurance companies fail and go bankrupt.

Yes! They went through a year of debate and had the insurance companies write their own 2700 page epitaph. Dastardly man, dastardly!

(Although I'd be happy if this were true. Unlike Obama, I'm a bit of a liberal on this issue ya see. But I think single payer will come from the states like it did in Canadia.)

[Baldy]

Exactly. Even Obama's Obamacare Czar has said that the ACA was designed to make insurance companies fail and go bankrupt.

Yes! They went through a year of debate and had the insurance companies write their own 2700 page epitaph. Dastardly man, dastardly!

(Although I'd be happy if this were true. Unlike Obama, I'm a bit of a liberal on this issue ya see. But I think single payer will come from the states like it did in Canadia.)

@ kalm's Donkspeak

Who knew that Max Baucus and Ezekiel Emanuel worked for all those insurance companies?

EDIT:
Good decision to cherry pick and not to respond to my other post.

[kalm]

Yes! They went through a year of debate and had the insurance companies write their own 2700 page epitaph. Dastardly man, dastardly!

(Although I'd be happy if this were true. Unlike Obama, I'm a bit of a liberal on this issue ya see. But I think single payer will come from the states like it did in Canadia.)

@ kalm's Donkspeak

Who knew that Max Baucus and Ezekiel Emanuel worked for all those insurance companies?

EDIT:
Good decision to cherry pick and not to respond to my other post.

Baucus was a corporate whore who did everything he could to end all discussions of single payer.

As for your other post...slow down and keep it to one at a time. There's enough of Kalm to go around.

[Baldy]

@ kalm's Donkspeak

Who knew that Max Baucus and Ezekiel Emanuel worked for all those insurance companies?

EDIT:
Good decision to cherry pick and not to respond to my other post.

Baucus was a corporate whore who did everything he could to end all discussions of single payer.

As for your other post...slow down and keep it to one at a time. There's enough of Kalm to go around.

"corporate whore"

You're certainly well versed in the talking points.
What's next, "obscene profits"?



You know as well as anyone. This country doesn't want a single payer system.
Listen to your leader...the guy you're not a fan of but defend at almost every opportunity. He wants a government run system as bad as you do, but he's smart enough to realize that it's a long slow process. One step at a time. Obamacare is just the beginning.

[JohnStOnge]

I don't know why he'd waste his time and money. Surely he knows he has absolutely no shot to win. But others have done that knowing they have no shot. Like Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.

At least I assume they know. I suppose it's possible that they convince themselves that they can win.

[kalm]

Baucus was a corporate whore who did everything he could to end all discussions of single payer.

As for your other post...slow down and keep it to one at a time. There's enough of Kalm to go around.

"corporate whore"

You're certainly well versed in the talking points.
What's next, "obscene profits"?



You know as well as anyone. This country doesn't want a single payer system.
Listen to your leader...the guy you're not a fan of but defend at almost every opportunity. He wants a government run system as bad as you do, but he's smart enough to realize that it's a long slow process. One step at a time. Obamacare is just the beginning.

I wonder who Baucus's donors were?

Baucus is the shining example...

3. Clashes over health care: To be clear, Baucus helped write the health care reform law that President Obama signed, and played a critical role in getting the measure passed. But along the way to passage and even its aftermath, Baucus has made moves that have bothered Democrats. He shut out liberal advocates of a single-payer system from hearings in 2009, something he later said was a mistake, and he voted against a pair public option amendment proposals. He also extended negotiations for three months, giving Republican opponents more time to ramp up their opposition. And just this month, he said he saw "a huge train wreck coming down" in the implementation of the law.

4. He supported a Republican-led Medicare prescription drug benefit plan: In 2003, Baucus broke ranks with his party to support a prescription drug benefit that Republicans supported. Critics charged that the plan, known as "Medicare Part D," was good for drug manufacturers and insurance companies, but not for the Medicare program. But Baucus may be getting the last laugh on this issue; these days, it is wildly popular among seniors.

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