Public vs. Private Schools

[Ibanez]

I heard Bishop England grads have a hard time mastering even simple tasks, like the quote function.

I can't hear you, your Ivory tower is way too tall.

[bluehenbillk]

Public vs private, it's all a matter of where you are.

I live in PA - the public schools as a whole are much better here than Catholic or private school options. However, if I travel 10 miles south & go into the state of Delaware - for the most part the private or Catholic schools that exist there are better than the public schools in the state. Of course that comes with a caveat, cue D1B. For such a small state, Delaware has had numerous problems of clergy/faculty sexual abuse at its schools.

[Grizalltheway]

Public vs private, it's all a matter of where you are.

I live in PA - the public schools as a whole are much better here than Catholic or private school options. However, if I travel 10 miles south & go into the state of Delaware - for the most part the private or Catholic schools that exist there are better than the public schools in the state. Of course that comes with a caveat, cue D1B. For such a small state, Delaware has had numerous problems of clergy/faculty sexual abuse at its schools.

Cue JoltinApologist to call you a liar and a slanderer.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Public vs private, it's all a matter of where you are.

I live in PA - the public schools as a whole are much better here than Catholic or private school options. However, if I travel 10 miles south & go into the state of Delaware - for the most part the private or Catholic schools that exist there are better than the public schools in the state. Of course that comes with a caveat, cue D1B. For such a small state, Delaware has had numerous problems of clergy/faculty sexual abuse at its schools.

Cue JoltinApologist to call you a liar and a slanderer.

Some of the more publicized cases Bill is referring to occured at my HS alma mater.

[bluehenbillk]

Cue JoltinApologist to call you a liar and a slanderer.

Some of the more publicized cases Bill is referring to occured at my HS alma mater.

Two of my grade-school classmates & my former next door neighbor were victims...

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Some of the more publicized cases Bill is referring to occured at my HS alma mater.

Two of my grade-school classmates & my former next door neighbor were victims...

I knew a few of the victims as well. I also know very well how it was covered up and the lies that were told in the process. Kind of nauseating, really.

[BlueHen86]

You get the gist of the argument, Clucky.
Are you going to try to refute it or you just being be a dickhead?

If you say you want to take the top students of a large, State school school and put them up against the entire student body of a smaller school, then yeah, you should find they do fine most of the time. But, if you compare the entire student bodies of Harvard versus Delaware State, then I think you'll find a world of difference.

BTW, we did have some lower performing mouth breathers occasionally at my school. Their parents had money and put them in a boarding school to keep them out of their hair, usually after they got kicked out of whatever school they were in, while the parents jetted around the world. However, those kids were usually kicked out pretty quickly. I remember one clown filling in circles in the shape of a Christmas tree for a standardized test. Saw him later wearing ripped jeans and a t-shirt, with a choo-choo hat (I'm not kidding) and a chain attached to his wallet, at the mall...clearly in a daze from his not-so-recreational drugs.

Our high school classes usually had a 100% college participation rate simply because it was expected...we were a college prep school. Is everyone a millionaire? Probably not, but most of my classmates (class of 42 people) are successful.

Anyway, I've gone on too long and owe 86 a few of these...

Thanks.

[JohnStOnge]

It's interesting to see how this thread has evolved but I was struck by the early comments on parental involvement. My older sister is a long time public school teacher and when we were talking about public vs. private one day she said that she thinks the biggest thing is that you can be absolutely sure that if a kid is in private school that kid's parents care about their education. And that makes sense. After all they're usually paying big bucks to have the kid there. I guess there might be some exceptions but in general it makes sense.

That sister, BTW, went to private (parochial) schools 1 through 12. Graduated from an all girls Catholic academy.

[kalm]

You're describing our public schools.

Of course I'm biased, being the son of a public school teacher and a directional school prof. Back in the day, they claimed private school teachers in Spokane were the rejects who couldn't get a job in the public schools. They knew, taught, and coached against many of them.

Here in upstate Delaware, we don't have K-12 public schools (Newark Charter - definitely not your typical public school, but still falling short in several areas versus a private school - being the recent exception). The high schools take kids from various feeder schools (elementary, middle) and mash them together into larger high schools. Teachers simply cannot not have relationships where they see their students grow up from K-12...it is not physically possible. Even Newark Charter has two separate campuses a mile-plus away from each other.

My mother was a public school teacher for many years, as is my wife, and my wife's mother. I am a product of a private school, a boarding school, though I did not board. I have to say, my school was a fvck load of fun with the after school life due to the boarding part.

Anyway, I believe the deciding factor in all this is that my wife is a product of a good PA public high school, however, I know how to cook steaks medium rare, which seems to be the only thing related to food that my wife can't do well...and I blame that on her public school education that did not allow her to experiment with fire in an outdoor setting.

I think we're really blessed here in Cheney as the high school is fed from 5 elementary schools, two middle schools, and there's also no connection from k-12.

And yes, to 89's point, the smaller size schools have an advantage although Cheney isn't tiny with around 1,000 kids 9th-12th.

I think some of it has to do with diversity. Cheney School District is larger than the State of Rhode Island land wise, pulling kids from wheat farms and ranches in the Upper Palouse, Fairchild Airforce Base, suburbanite professionals who commute to Spokane, as well as the university employed families and other Cheney residents.

[Chizzang]

Around here... yes in most cases. It's a strange phenomenon, but around here when somebody ask you where you went to school, they're referring to HS and not college. The networking of jobs is FAR more centered around private HS alums. You'd be better off paying $20k a year for HS and going to a state college than the other way around. I'm sure we're the exception though.

I've noticed that too - my wife went to THE girls school in Bethesda and later to Bucknell. She is way more connected through the primary school crowd and could care less about Bucknell outside of two of her old sorority sisters.

All the intellectual stuff aside...
It's far more important to make and sustain high level connections in school than it is to actually learn anything / this world is about who you know far more than it is about what you know.

Private High Schools and fancy pants colleges and universities can at least still provide that advantage

(so I'm told)

[Ibanez]

I've noticed that too - my wife went to THE girls school in Bethesda and later to Bucknell. She is way more connected through the primary school crowd and could care less about Bucknell outside of two of her old sorority sisters.

All the intellectual stuff aside...
It's far more important to make and sustain high level connections in school than it is to actually learn anything / this world is about who you know far more than it is about what you know.

Private High Schools and fancy pants colleges and universities can at least still provide that advantage

(so I'm told)

I went to a private high school but not a fancy pants college.


It was more like a smarty pants college.

[89Hen]

I think we're really blessed here in Cheney as the high school is fed from 5 elementary schools, two middle schools, and there's also no connection from k-12.

And yes, to 89's point, the smaller size schools have an advantage although Cheney isn't tiny with around 1,000 kids 9th-12th.

If there is only THE high school, you are tiny. I have 5 public HS's within 5 miles of my house, all with over 1700 students:

Churchill - 2113
Whitman - 1951
Wooton - 2409
Montgomery - 2044
Bethesda Chevy Chase - 1799

[Chizzang]

I think we're really blessed here in Cheney as the high school is fed from 5 elementary schools, two middle schools, and there's also no connection from k-12.

And yes, to 89's point, the smaller size schools have an advantage although Cheney isn't tiny with around 1,000 kids 9th-12th.

If there is only THE high school, you are tiny. I have 5 public HS's within 5 miles of my house, all with over 1700 students:

Churchill - 2113
Whitman - 1951
Wooton - 2409
Montgomery - 2044
Bethesda Chevy Chase - 1799

Ah... the rat race
Sounds wonderful

[AZGrizFan]

I think we're really blessed here in Cheney as the high school is fed from 5 elementary schools, two middle schools, and there's also no connection from k-12.

And yes, to 89's point, the smaller size schools have an advantage although Cheney isn't tiny with around 1,000 kids 9th-12th.

If there is only THE high school, you are tiny. I have 5 public HS's within 5 miles of my house, all with over 1700 students:

Churchill - 2113
Whitman - 1951
Wooton - 2409
Montgomery - 2044
Bethesda Chevy Chase - 1799

Cheney is a wide spot in the road.

Enrollment of the HS's in our district:

Churchill: 2991
Johnson: 2598
Lee: 2363
McArthur: 2629
Madison: 3266
Reagan: 2840
Roosevelt: 2824

And that doesn't count the alternative schools...

[Ibanez]

This very thing (sort of) was in an article yesterday.

These are enrollment figures for each of Charleston County's 81 schools broken down by ethnicity. The numbers are based on the 45-day count from this school year.

School Name Black White Hispanic Asian Enrollment Total

Charleston County School District 20478 21187 3560 679 47123

A. C. Corcoran Elementary School 524 125 62 27 775

Academic Magnet High School 17 526 15 45 616

Angel Oak Elementary School 146 118 124 1 394

ARMS Academy at Morningside Middle 285 17 53 2 363

Ashley River Creative Arts Elementary 72 447 13 13 569

Baptist Hill High School 362 24 20 0 412

Belle Hall Elementary School 86 600 22 19 735

Buist Academy 56 362 6 25 460

Burke Middle & High School 458 3 4 0 466

C. C. Blaney Elementary School 246 8 3 0 257

C. E. Williams Middle School for Creative and Scientific Arts 261 312 30 14 642

Charles Pinckney Elementary School 75 1084 20 37 1251

Charleston Charter School for Math and Science 215 274 9 9 513

Charleston County School Of The Arts 146 842 32 39 1091

Charleston Development Academy Public Charter 189 2 2 0 195

Charleston Progressive Academy 351 1 1 2 361

Chicora School of Communications: An Elementary Magnet 430 6 13 0 455

Drayton Hall Elementary School 183 482 22 12 828

E. B. Ellington Elementary School 198 42 57 1 300

East Cooper Montessori Charter School 2 246 4 8 262

Edith L. Frierson Elementary School 135 4 6 0 149

Edmund A. Burns Elementary 472 19 24 1 528

EXCEL Academy at Morningside Middle 242 17 48 1 319

Fort Johnson Middle School 106 393 9 6 525

Garrett Academy of Technology 685 18 13 2 722

Greg Mathis Charter High School 79 2 0 0 82

Harbor View Elementary School 59 454 14 4 540

Haut Gap Middle School 218 204 88 0 524

Hunley Park Elementary School 319 105 83 9 544

James B. Edwards Elementary School 115 422 30 7 578

James Island Charter High School 405 958 55 23 1473

James Island Elementary School 206 255 12 9 504

James Island Middle School 134 196 10 2 351

James Simons Elementary School 213 53 2 2 273

Jane Edwards Elementary School 54 27 6 0 89

Jennie Moore Elementary School 121 603 15 7 760

Jerry Zucker Middle School of Science 347 72 73 5 513

Julian Mitchell Math and Science Elementary School 371 4 3 0 382

Ladson Elementary School 421 192 183 12 850

Laing Middle School 121 516 13 11 667

Lambs Elementary School 219 63 90 2 379

Laurel Hill Primary School 78 907 31 37 1075

Lincoln Middle-High School 138 11 0 0 154

Malcolm C. Hursey Elementary School 293 69 30 1 404

Mamie P. Whitesides Elementary School 107 475 40 10 654

Mary Ford Elementary School 438 4 10 3 463

Matilda F. Dunston Elementary School 255 20 83 1 370

Memminger School of Global Studies 368 13 1 9 393

Midland Park Primary School 205 47 351 1 616

Military Magnet Academy 391 26 42 0 467

Minnie Hughes Elementary School 197 5 13 1 218

Montessori Community School 14 192 7 6 235

Moultrie Middle School 121 646 28 9 821

Mt Pleasant Academy 39 509 2 8 566

Mt Zion Elementary School 127 40 110 0 310

Murray LaSaine Elementary School 233 93 8 4 342

North Charleston Creative Arts 159 63 9 4 254

North Charleston Elementary School 410 33 90 2 562

North Charleston High School 440 25 23 2 493

Northwoods Middle School 648 109 161 8 947

Oakland Elementary School 320 176 11 13 544

Orange Grove Elementary Charter School 194 552 31 6 802

Pattison's Academy for Comprehensive Education 15 17 0 0 32

Pepperhill Elementary School 484 61 77 3 636

Pinehurst Elementary School 159 43 302 2 511

R. B. Stall High School 732 148 230 10 1152

Sanders-Clyde Elementary School 632 4 11 0 658

Springfield Elementary School 323 251 32 16 650

St Andrew's School of Math and Science 277 387 31 23 744

St. Andrew's Middle School 205 91 8 6 320

St. James-Santee Elementary School 243 13 0 0 256

St. John's High School 196 34 48 2 282

Stiles Point Elementary School 82 588 14 11 717

Stono Park Elementary School 387 45 14 4 460

Sullivan's Island Elementary School 4 437 8 4 465

The Apple Charter School 83 2 1 0 87

Thomas C. Cario Middle School 135 1077 39 33 1310

W. B. Goodwin Elementary School 450 29 186 2 683

Wando High School 434 3060 99 46 3688

West Ashley High School 864 740 76 29 1753

West Ashley Middle School 254 47 14 6 332

Fifty years after the first black students walked through the doors of Charleston County schools, the district still struggles to offer racially balanced learning environments. Of the district's 81 schools, 19 percent are made up almost solely of black students. Two percent are composed mostly of white students.

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[89Hen]

Ah... the rat race
Sounds wonderful

Pluses and minuses to everything. I'd rather live somewhere a little more quiet, but that's what retirement is for.

[YoUDeeMan]

This very thing (sort of) was in an article yesterday.

These are enrollment figures for each of Charleston County's 81 schools broken down by ethnicity. The numbers are based on the 45-day count from this school year.

Fifty years after the first black students walked through the doors of Charleston County schools, the district still struggles to offer racially balanced learning environments. Of the district's 81 schools, 19 percent are made up almost solely of black students. Two percent are composed mostly of white students.

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Are they still stuck on racially integrating schools?

After they are done with that, will they force schools to be integrated according to income? How about weight? Will they move to force integration of neighborhoods according to income, race, or religion? How about forcing Liberals and conservatives together? Drag people from the West Coast to the East Coast, and force older people to move back up North?

After all, where does one stop at this effort to make everything "fair" and to force people to do what some others think is best for them?

[HI54UNI]

Our K-12 enrollment is around 700 plus another 90 or so kids at the Catholic Elementary K-5. Our district covers 420 square miles and includes 6 small towns plus the rural area in between. A neighboring school district is broke and will probably be merging with us in the next two years. With that our enrollment will jump to about 1000 and we will cover about 550 square miles and go up to having 8 small towns plus the rural area.

The smallest HS 89hen listed is the same size as the whole town I live in. And that's the biggest town in our school and county.

[89Hen]

Our K-12 enrollment is around 700 plus another 90 or so kids at the Catholic Elementary K-5. Our district covers 420 square miles and includes 6 small towns plus the rural area in between.

My son goes to a boys only Catholic HS... 960 students.

[Ibanez]

This very thing (sort of) was in an article yesterday.

These are enrollment figures for each of Charleston County's 81 schools broken down by ethnicity. The numbers are based on the 45-day count from this school year.



http://www.postandcourier.com/article/2 ... ty-schools" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Are they still stuck on racially integrating schools?

After they are done with that, will they force schools to be integrated according to income? How about weight? Will they move to force integration of neighborhoods according to income, race, or religion? How about forcing Liberals and conservatives together? Drag people from the West Coast to the East Coast, and force older people to move back up North?

After all, where does one stop at this effort to make everything "fair" and to force people to do what some others think is best for them?

People around here tend to forget that schools service their surroundings. There's a reason poorer areas have more blacks than whites. There's a reason why schools in Mount Pleasant, for instance, have almost equal ratio's or more white students and why schools on the peninsula and North Charleston are mostly black.

[kalm]

If there is only THE high school, you are tiny. I have 5 public HS's within 5 miles of my house, all with over 1700 students:

Churchill - 2113
Whitman - 1951
Wooton - 2409
Montgomery - 2044
Bethesda Chevy Chase - 1799

Cheney is a wide spot in the road.

Enrollment of the HS's in our district:

Churchill: 2991
Johnson: 2598
Lee: 2363
McArthur: 2629
Madison: 3266
Reagan: 2840
Roosevelt: 2824

And that doesn't count the alternative schools...

My wife had 21 in her graduating class and 80 in the entire school.

[CID1990]

Are they still stuck on racially integrating schools?

After they are done with that, will they force schools to be integrated according to income? How about weight? Will they move to force integration of neighborhoods according to income, race, or religion? How about forcing Liberals and conservatives together? Drag people from the West Coast to the East Coast, and force older people to move back up North?

After all, where does one stop at this effort to make everything "fair" and to force people to do what some others think is best for them?

People around here tend to forget that PUBLIC schools service their surroundings. There's a reason poorer areas have more blacks than whites. There's a reason why schools in Mount Pleasant, for instance, have almost equal ratio's or more white students and why schools on the peninsula and North Charleston are mostly black.

FIFY

There's a buttload of white school aged kids that live in the Burke HS district but there's just three white kids at Burke (bless their hippy parents' hearts)

[ASUG8]

The two high schools in my home county in NC have a COMBINED 2,028 students in grades 9-12.

[Grizalltheway]

Cheney is a wide spot in the road.

Enrollment of the HS's in our district:

Churchill: 2991
Johnson: 2598
Lee: 2363
McArthur: 2629
Madison: 3266
Reagan: 2840
Roosevelt: 2824

And that doesn't count the alternative schools...

My wife had 21 in her graduating class and 80 in the entire school.

I seem to remember SG saying he had 6 or 7 in his class in NE MT. Thank God for 6 man football.

[kalm]

My wife had 21 in her graduating class and 80 in the entire school.

I seem to remember SG saying he had 6 or 7 in his class in NE MT. Thank God for 6 man football.

Probably banged every girl in his class. Whore!