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BDKJMU wrote:
Wrong. Article out yesterday:

"Military’s top general offers grim outlook on nation’s defense

WASHINGTON — Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, provided his sobering views as part of the Quadrennial Defense Review, a congressionally mandated evaluation of U.S. military strength issued every four years.

Dempsey predicted that it would become increasingly difficult to balance the competing demands of protecting allies abroad, securing Americans at home and deterring future wars.

“The smaller and less capable military outlined in the QDR makes meeting these obligations more difficult,” he said. “Most of our platforms and equipment will be older, and our advantages in some domains will have eroded. Our loss of depth across the force could reduce our ability to intimidate opponents from escalating conflicts.”

Dempsey added: “Moreover, many of our most capable allies will lose key capabilities. The situation will be exacerbated given our current readiness concerns, which will worsen over the next three or four years.”

Dempsey issued his warnings as President Barack Obama sent Congress a 2015 budget for the entire government on Tuesday that provides the Pentagon just over $600 billion.

That’s $13 billion less than current funding, but $26 billion more than provided in a budget deal that Congress approved in December by large bipartisan majorities.

Dempsey lashed out at Congress for slashing defense funding over the last three years while preventing the Pentagon from shuttering unneeded military bases, retiring outdated weapons systems and taking other steps to save money.

“I urge Congress - again - to move quickly to implement difficult decisions and to remove limitations on our ability to make hard choices within the Department of Defense,” he said. “The changes required for institutional reform are unpleasant and unpopular, but we need our elected leaders to work with us to reduce excess infrastructure, slow the growth of military pay and compensation, and retire equipment that we do not need.”


The back and forth among the Pentagon, Obama and Congress extends a blame game over defense funding reductions that most outside analysts say are inevitable.

The budget cuts follow a decade-long spending binge triggered by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, as Pentagon funding reached record highs to pay for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and broader anti-terror initiatives.

Hagel’s criticism of the defense spending reductions over the last three years was more muted than that of Dempsey.

“These continued fiscal constraints cannot be ignored,” the defense secretary said. “It would be dishonest and irresponsible to present a QDR articulating a strategy disconnected from the reality of resource constraints. A strategy must have the resources for its implementation.”
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Sorry, I meant the Secretary of Defense, not the top general. As they say, who's really the boss? :suspicious:

However, your article doesn't support not cutting the budget. The general himself says we need to close uneeded (his words) bases, excess infrastructure (his words) and get rid of outdated programs. Hint: when you cut bases, are you not going to cut staff? :lol:

He is also saying that if we are to maintain our overspread list of duties, some of our capabilities will be eroded. Duh. But what you are NOT reading is the clear message that we have some old bases and old programs (both of which include people to support such things) that need to be axed.

Tanks and large masses of troops aren't going to roll across the landscapes anymore...they are sitting ducks. You are funding and manning the last war. :ohno:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Cluck U wrote: And don't give me the garbage about their dedication and bravery going into battle. Soldiers follow those orders because they are brainwashed about loyalty, courage, and the great defense of this country (and the fact that they will be thrown into the brig if they don't). Would you expect me to respect an Iraqi soldier because they think they are doing something for their country? Or maybe only the ones on our current list of good guys? :suspicious:

Oh, and soldiers are trained to follow orders...rather than think.
Dude. You should have stopped digging while you were behind. :dunce:
The average grunt isn't taught to think. He is trained so that he reacts...and he is trained to do his job and follow orders. Tactical thought, at best...survival mode.

Anyone who was really trained to think would not be in Afghanistan anymore. :nod:
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Cluck U wrote: Sorry, I meant the Secretary of Defense, not the top general. As they say, who's really the boss? :suspicious:

However, your article doesn't support not cutting the budget. The general himself says we need to close uneeded (his words) bases, excess infrastructure (his words) and get rid of outdated programs. Hint: when you cut bases, are you not going to cut staff? :lol:

He is also saying that if we are to maintain our overspread list of duties, some of our capabilities will be eroded. Duh. But what you are NOT reading is the clear message that we have some old bases and old programs (both of which include people to support such things) that need to be axed.

Tanks and large masses of troops aren't going to roll across the landscapes anymore...they are sitting ducks. You are funding and manning the last war. :ohno:
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Cluck U wrote: Sorry, I meant the Secretary of Defense, not the top general. As they say, who's really the boss? :suspicious:

However, your article doesn't support not cutting the budget. The general himself says we need to close uneeded (his words) bases, excess infrastructure (his words) and get rid of outdated programs. Hint: when you cut bases, are you not going to cut staff? :lol:

He is also saying that if we are to maintain our overspread list of duties, some of our capabilities will be eroded. Duh. But what you are NOT reading is the clear message that we have some old bases and old programs (both of which include people to support such things) that need to be axed.

Tanks and large masses of troops aren't going to roll across the landscapes anymore...they are sitting ducks. You are funding and manning the last war. :ohno:
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They said the same thing about Viet Nam.
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Cluck U wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Dude. You should have stopped digging while you were behind. :dunce:
The average grunt isn't taught to think. He is trained so that he reacts...and he is trained to do his job and follow orders. Tactical thought, at best...survival mode.

Anyone who was really trained to think would not be in Afghanistan anymore. :nod:
You spend a lot of time in the military to be such a learned man about all things military?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
The average grunt isn't taught to think. He is trained so that he reacts...and he is trained to do his job and follow orders. Tactical thought, at best...survival mode.

Anyone who was really trained to think would not be in Afghanistan anymore. :nod:
You spend a lot of time in the military to be such a learned man about all things military?
Exactly. They're putting hardened computers in the hands of grunts now. Does that require a robot to use? Even grunts have to think now. Some people should think about what they're saying before they type.

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BlueHen86 wrote:
:nod:
They said the same thing about Viet Nam.
Heck they said the same thing after WWI, you know, The War to End All Wars...
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BlueHen86 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:CluckU coming in at over 1,500 words in two posts. :lol:

His emoticon to word ratio is way down. I don't think I saw a single :dunce: emoticon (maybe he saves that one for me :lol: ). He means business on this thread.
I think he's kicked his meds. He doesn't sound as gorked out as usual. :geek:
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93henfan wrote:Cool essay Smug U.

It's amazing how little respect you seem to have for the people who do in fact defend your right to insult them.

I think the DE Guard might be returning to NCC Airport soon. Make sure you save up as much spit as possible for the baby killers. :ohno:

At least you made one good point here: "Let the politician's children sign up for the military...and the politicians themselves. If we did that, we'd really see what size military we'd need...and what military actions we deemed were "necessary." My bet is that we'd have a really different attitude towards our "conflicts."
You should probably have your doctor check that knee...jerking it around like that can cause damage and in this case might have resulted in a concussion. :lol:

Do you spit at the retail clerks when you return items or do you simply snicker at the fact that you are taking food off the plate of their children while ruining their sales efforts?

Now that we’ve addressed the hippie/spit/returning war hero/baby killer/cue the Born in the U.S.A music hyperbole, let’s get back to reality. I’m not the one that sent thousands of our kids to die in Afghanistan, and wants to keep them there after “mission accomplished.” I’m not the one who sent our husbands, wives, and children to Iraq…for what? You can ask the Obushma twins if they spit on our soldiers graves before they have their defense contractor friends over for a $10,000 a plate fundraising dinner. Then ask our congressmen why they like to send our troops needlessly into harm’s way in order to keep up the retarded game of fear just to keep one of their area’s bases open for jobs (never waste a good crisis).

Speaking of which…

"Despite the attention focused on Ukraine, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel’s testimony Wednesday before the Senate Armed Services Committee was remarkable for another reason: it showed how lawmakers remain focused on bread-and-butter budget concerns even in times of international crisis.

Another Democrat up for re-election this fall, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, told Hagel that while he’d been concentrating on “the significant crises we are facing throughout the world today, and the challenges ... for our national security, what I hear mostly from my constituents in New Hampshire is not really about those challenges. It's about what's happening to our men and women in uniform. It's about what's happening domestically in terms of our military and its footprint in the United States.”'
:shock: :rofl:

THIS is what our military is really about. Money and jobs. We’re not protecting the good ol’ US of A from anything because no one is attacking us.

There is no heroism/patriotism going on out there, unless you consider wasting people’s lives in a back woods third world country a heroic and patriotic endeavor. In that case, you might want to feel some sympathy for the corner drug dealer who finds himself in a war zone every day. Otherwise, I simply consider the vast majority of our overseas casualties a sad waste of people’s lives. And, unfortunately, those people are fools for volunteering to be nothing but a disposable tool in someone else’s profitable side show. Hey, I hope none of them die or get injured…and I hope they kill everyone trying to kill them…but that isn’t my definition of a hero or a patriot.

Vietnam…58,000 dead. For what? Looking back, what a farce…propping up a crooked government while defense contractors and oil/rubber interests got rich. Sound eerily familiar to Afghanistan, et al? Yes, those VC gooks were digging trenches across the Pacific so they could invade and trample our God and Country…and after nearly 40 years, they are due to break into California any minute now. :roll:

If you knew what we know now, would you support that war? We’ll look back in 30 years and shake our heads at the wasted lives in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. At the same time, we’ll be involved in yet another war where some other dumbasses will be getting shot and people will be calling them heroes. :ohno:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
You should probably have your doctor check that knee...jerking it around like that can cause damage and in this case might have resulted in a concussion. :lol:

Do you spit at the retail clerks when you return items or do you simply snicker at the fact that you are taking food off the plate of their children while ruining their sales efforts?

Now that we’ve addressed the hippie/spit/returning war hero/baby killer/cue the Born in the U.S.A music hyperbole, let’s get back to reality. I’m not the one that sent thousands of our kids to die in Afghanistan, and wants to keep them there after “mission accomplished.” I’m not the one who sent our husbands, wives, and children to Iraq…for what? You can ask the Obushma twins if they spit on our soldiers graves before they have their defense contractor friends over for a $10,000 a plate fundraising dinner. Then ask our congressmen why they like to send our troops needlessly into harm’s way in order to keep up the retarded game of fear just to keep one of their area’s bases open for jobs (never waste a good crisis).

Speaking of which…

"Despite the attention focused on Ukraine, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel’s testimony Wednesday before the Senate Armed Services Committee was remarkable for another reason: it showed how lawmakers remain focused on bread-and-butter budget concerns even in times of international crisis.

Another Democrat up for re-election this fall, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, told Hagel that while he’d been concentrating on “the significant crises we are facing throughout the world today, and the challenges ... for our national security, what I hear mostly from my constituents in New Hampshire is not really about those challenges. It's about what's happening to our men and women in uniform. It's about what's happening domestically in terms of our military and its footprint in the United States.”'
:shock: :rofl:

THIS is what our military is really about. Money and jobs. We’re not protecting the good ol’ US of A from anything because no one is attacking us.

There is no heroism/patriotism going on out there, unless you consider wasting people’s lives in a back woods third world country a heroic and patriotic endeavor. In that case, you might want to feel some sympathy for the corner drug dealer who finds himself in a war zone every day. Otherwise, I simply consider the vast majority of our overseas casualties a sad waste of people’s lives. And, unfortunately, those people are fools for volunteering to be nothing but a disposable tool in someone else’s profitable side show. Hey, I hope none of them die or get injured…and I hope they kill everyone trying to kill them…but that isn’t my definition of a hero or a patriot.

Vietnam…58,000 dead. For what? Looking back, what a farce…propping up a crooked government while defense contractors and oil/rubber interests got rich. Sound eerily familiar to Afghanistan, et al? Yes, those VC gooks were digging trenches across the Pacific so they could invade and trample our God and Country…and after nearly 40 years, they are due to break into California any minute now. :roll:

If you knew what we know now, would you support that war? We’ll look back in 30 years and shake our heads at the wasted lives in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. At the same time, we’ll be involved in yet another war where some other dumbasses will be getting shot and people will be calling them heroes. :ohno:
Thank you, Cindy Sheehan. :coffee:
Which part of that excellent rant do you honestly disagree with, Bill Krystol? :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Thank you, Cindy Sheehan. :coffee:
Which part of that excellent rant do you honestly disagree with, Bill Krystol? :coffee:
Nothing. He just sounds like Cindy Sheehan.
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Cluck U wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Dude. You should have stopped digging while you were behind. :dunce:
The average grunt isn't taught to think. He is trained so that he reacts...and he is trained to do his job and follow orders. Tactical thought, at best...survival mode.

Anyone who was really trained to think would not be in Afghanistan anymore. :nod:
This post couldn't be farther from the truth.

Marines (that's who I can speak to of course) have the Code of Conduct drilled into them from the early days of boot camp. Young officers are given even more in depth training on laws of war, lawful orders, ethics, etc.
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93henfan wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
The average grunt isn't taught to think. He is trained so that he reacts...and he is trained to do his job and follow orders. Tactical thought, at best...survival mode.

Anyone who was really trained to think would not be in Afghanistan anymore. :nod:
This post couldn't be farther from the truth.

Marines (that's who I can speak to of course) have the Code of Conduct drilled into them from the early days of boot camp. Young officers are given even more in depth training on laws of war, lawful orders, ethics, etc.
At least the black ones are. Amirite, Cluckstonge? :mrgreen:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
:nod:
They said the same thing about Viet Nam.
How'd we do in that war? :suspicious:

Did we win? Did our tanks, planes, helicopters, napalm, kill ratio, and Bob Hope bring us our desired results? You think an Abrams would change the outcome of that war? How about a few drones?

How are we doing in Afghanistan, BTW? Do we have any mountain goat tanks in development (that would be cool :nod: )?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
The average grunt isn't taught to think. He is trained so that he reacts...and he is trained to do his job and follow orders. Tactical thought, at best...survival mode.

Anyone who was really trained to think would not be in Afghanistan anymore. :nod:
You spend a lot of time in the military to be such a learned man about all things military?
How much pro/college football have you played lately? :suspicious:

I stand by my comment...anyone with any brains would NOT willingly go to Afghanistan to fight a war we have no business fighting. You disparage bankers that do bad things to customers...because they work for big, EVIL banks, yet, you give a pass to our soldiers who die over in Afghanistan for the sole purpose of propping up a corrupt clown so that we can make money building and selling weapons and cell phones. :rofl:

C'mon, Z! :ohno:

If the enemy were at the gates, I'd join the fight. But we're not fighting an enemy that is threatening to invade and destroy the United States of God Damned America...we're fighting a bunch of fvcking goat herders, most of whom have never read a newspaper or given a crap about America. We're fighting in large swaths of areas that don't have electricity. :rofl: How the heck are they any threat to us? :suspicious:

Yet, we have people volunteering to go over there to get shot (and shoot back) because...wait for it...IT IS THEIR JOB. :rofl:

Hey kid, sign up to protect America from goat herders who don't even have a car or an airplane with which to transport themselves over here. They're a real threat to 'Merica, and you'll be protecting your mother and sister from those savages. Oh, they might have guns...yeah, we, well not we, but our friends in the CIA, might have supplied them with some of those...and they might shoot you if you run up in their business, but we are going to send you over there to guard some corrupt leader that we've given hundreds of millions of dollars to so that he'll kinda' do what we say. You? You'll get full meals (unless you're out on patrol, in which case we have these really cool things that look like and taste like airplane food - and of course we overpaid for them, but those defense contractors are really nice guys and need to live well), and a low salary to protect this despotic leader and his merry band of crooks. BTW, the women wear veils, and aren't allowed to drive, vote, or look at a man under penalty of death, but just ignore that stuff because we're fighting for American values, not their values. Stay focused, and if you start to think, go see your superior officer and he'll set you straight. We've got a job to do...don't ask why, just do it! And we'll even train you how to not to think about that.

BTW, we'll toss in a free flag on your coffin if you die. A nice one...and we can fold that thing up neatly...you'll think you are in one of those fancy restaurants with those swam tablecloths. We're that good.

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Cluck U wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
You spend a lot of time in the military to be such a learned man about all things military?
How much pro/college football have you played lately? :suspicious:

I stand by my comment...anyone with any brains would NOT willingly go to Afghanistan to fight a war we have no business fighting. You disparage bankers that do bad things to customers...because they work for big, EVIL banks, yet, you give a pass to our soldiers who die over in Afghanistan for the sole purpose of propping up a corrupt clown so that we can make money building and selling weapons and cell phones. :rofl:

C'mon, Z! :ohno:

If the enemy were at the gates, I'd join the fight. But we're not fighting an enemy that is threatening to invade and destroy the United States of God Damned America...we're fighting a bunch of fvcking goat herders, most of whom have never read a newspaper or given a crap about America. We're fighting in large swaths of areas that don't have electricity. :rofl: How the heck are they any threat to us? :suspicious:

Yet, we have people volunteering to go over there to get shot (and shoot back) because...wait for it...IT IS THEIR JOB. :rofl:

Hey kid, sign up to protect America from goat herders who don't even have a car or an airplane with which to transport themselves over here. They're a real threat to 'Merica, and you'll be protecting your mother and sister from those savages. Oh, they might have guns...yeah, we, well not we, but our friends in the CIA, might have supplied them with some of those...and they might shoot you if you run up in their business, but we are going to send you over there to guard some corrupt leader that we've given hundreds of millions of dollars to so that he'll kinda' do what we say. You? You'll get full meals (unless you're out on patrol, in which case we have these really cool things that look like and taste like airplane food - and of course we overpaid for them, but those defense contractors are really nice guys and need to live well), and a low salary to protect this despotic leader and his merry band of crooks. BTW, the women wear veils, and aren't allowed to drive, vote, or look at a man under penalty of death, but just ignore that stuff because we're fighting for American values, not their values. Stay focused, and if you start to think, go see your superior officer and he'll set you straight. We've got a job to do...don't ask why, just do it! And we'll even train you how to not to think about that.

BTW, we'll toss in a free flag on your coffin if you die. A nice one...and we can fold that thing up neatly...you'll think you are in one of those fancy restaurants with those swam tablecloths. We're that good.

Sign here, hero.

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SuperHornet wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
You spend a lot of time in the military to be such a learned man about all things military?
Exactly. They're putting hardened computers in the hands of grunts now. Does that require a robot to use? Even grunts have to think now. Some people should think about what they're saying before they type.

:ohno:
Yes, computers are soooooooooooooo hard to run these days. :roll:

Hey, by your definition, my son would be a very good solider...dude ran around a ship last weekend knifing everyone. He only died 31 times, but he killed 96 of the bastards. Mission commander gave his and his team props after it was over. "Mission accomplished...textbook." Lil' Cluck was proud. :nod:

Never once did my son ask why he was on that ship to kill bad guys.
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Cluck U wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
You spend a lot of time in the military to be such a learned man about all things military?
How much pro/college football have you played lately? :suspicious:

I stand by my comment...anyone with any brains would NOT willingly go to Afghanistan to fight a war we have no business fighting. You disparage bankers that do bad things to customers...because they work for big, EVIL banks, yet, you give a pass to our soldiers who die over in Afghanistan for the sole purpose of propping up a corrupt clown so that we can make money building and selling weapons and cell phones. :rofl:

C'mon, Z! :ohno:

If the enemy were at the gates, I'd join the fight. But we're not fighting an enemy that is threatening to invade and destroy the United States of God Damned America...we're fighting a bunch of fvcking goat herders, most of whom have never read a newspaper or given a crap about America. We're fighting in large swaths of areas that don't have electricity. :rofl: How the heck are they any threat to us? :suspicious:

Yet, we have people volunteering to go over there to get shot (and shoot back) because...wait for it...IT IS THEIR JOB. :rofl:

Hey kid, sign up to protect America from goat herders who don't even have a car or an airplane with which to transport themselves over here. They're a real threat to 'Merica, and you'll be protecting your mother and sister from those savages. Oh, they might have guns...yeah, we, well not we, but our friends in the CIA, might have supplied them with some of those...and they might shoot you if you run up in their business, but we are going to send you over there to guard some corrupt leader that we've given hundreds of millions of dollars to so that he'll kinda' do what we say. You? You'll get full meals (unless you're out on patrol, in which case we have these really cool things that look like and taste like airplane food - and of course we overpaid for them, but those defense contractors are really nice guys and need to live well), and a low salary to protect this despotic leader and his merry band of crooks. BTW, the women wear veils, and aren't allowed to drive, vote, or look at a man under penalty of death, but just ignore that stuff because we're fighting for American values, not their values. Stay focused, and if you start to think, go see your superior officer and he'll set you straight. We've got a job to do...don't ask why, just do it! And we'll even train you how to not to think about that.

BTW, we'll toss in a free flag on your coffin if you die. A nice one...and we can fold that thing up neatly...you'll think you are in one of those fancy restaurants with those swam tablecloths. We're that good.

Sign here, hero.

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Fokking noobs. I've called in and observed fires for effect in my past life. Way cooler than a 21 gun salute.
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93henfan wrote:Fokking noobs. I've called in and observed fires for effect in my past life. Way cooler than a 21 gun salute.
I know the difference. I was being sarcastic.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Cluck U wrote:because our general is TELLING Congress that we should cut our budget.
Cluck U wrote:Our top general, who gets paid to make such decisions, wants to cut our military back to pre-WWII levels.
Wrong. Article out yesterday:

"Military’s top general offers grim outlook on nation’s defense

WASHINGTON — The nation’s top military commander painted a dark picture Tuesday of future U.S. defense capabilities clouded by shrinking Pentagon budgets and adversaries’ technological advances that he said would erode American battlefield superiority.

Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, provided his sobering views as part of the Quadrennial Defense Review, a congressionally mandated evaluation of U.S. military strength issued every four years.

Dempsey predicted that it would become increasingly difficult to balance the competing demands of protecting allies abroad, securing Americans at home and deterring future wars.

“The smaller and less capable military outlined in the QDR makes meeting these obligations more difficult,” he said. “Most of our platforms and equipment will be older, and our advantages in some domains will have eroded. Our loss of depth across the force could reduce our ability to intimidate opponents from escalating conflicts.”

Dempsey added: “Moreover, many of our most capable allies will lose key capabilities. The situation will be exacerbated given our current readiness concerns, which will worsen over the next three or four years.”

Dempsey’s perspective was more pessimistic than that of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.

“As we move off the longest continuous war footing in our nation’s history, this QDR explains how we will adapt, reshape and rebalance our military for the challenges and opportunities of the future,” Hagel said in a statement.

Dempsey issued his warnings as President Barack Obama sent Congress a 2015 budget for the entire government on Tuesday that provides the Pentagon just over $600 billion.

That’s $13 billion less than current funding, but $26 billion more than provided in a budget deal that Congress approved in December by large bipartisan majorities.

Dempsey lashed out at Congress for slashing defense funding over the last three years while preventing the Pentagon from shuttering unneeded military bases, retiring outdated weapons systems and taking other steps to save money.

“I urge Congress - again - to move quickly to implement difficult decisions and to remove limitations on our ability to make hard choices within the Department of Defense,” he said. “The changes required for institutional reform are unpleasant and unpopular, but we need our elected leaders to work with us to reduce excess infrastructure, slow the growth of military pay and compensation, and retire equipment that we do not need.”

The response from Congress was quick.

Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, a California Republican and chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said the quadrennial review was driven by politics, was “budget-driven” and does not provide enough insight into Pentagon needs beyond the current spending restraints.

“Unfortunately, the product . . . is of little value to decision-makers,” McKeon said in a statement.

Calling the review “shortsighted,” McKeon said it “allows the president to duck the consequences of the deep defense cuts he has advocated and leaves us all wondering what the true future costs of those cuts will be.”

McKeon said he will introduce legislation requiring the Pentagon “to rewrite and resubmit a compliant report.”

A congressional demand that the Pentagon redo the quadrennial review, which is 88 pages long this time, would be unprecedented. Even if such a bill were to pass the Republican-controlled House, it almost certainly would be defeated in the Democratic-majority Senate.

Sen. Tim Scott, a South Carolina Republican, accused Obama of slashing defense funding in his proposed budget while seeking new spending in other areas.

“We see a budget which drives us further into debt, takes more money out of the pockets of the American people, decreases our military readiness and does nothing to ensure that critical entitlements will be sustainable for the next generation,” Scott said.

The back and forth among the Pentagon, Obama and Congress extends a blame game over defense funding reductions that most outside analysts say are inevitable.

The budget cuts follow a decade-long spending binge triggered by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, as Pentagon funding reached record highs to pay for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and broader anti-terror initiatives.

Hagel’s criticism of the defense spending reductions over the last three years was more muted than that of Dempsey.

“These continued fiscal constraints cannot be ignored,” the defense secretary said. “It would be dishonest and irresponsible to present a QDR articulating a strategy disconnected from the reality of resource constraints. A strategy must have the resources for its implementation.”
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Well, maybe we shouldn't be doing all of those things.

We don't need a bloated military to play world's cop. If that is what you want, then please, please STOP FUCKING BITCHING EVER, EVER AGAIN ABOUT TAXES.

Start campaigning for a 90% tax rate for those making over a million again so we can pay for all this shit, or STFU.
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dbackjon wrote:
Well, maybe we shouldn't be doing all of those things.

We don't need a bloated military to play world's cop.
Maybe?

Jesus Jon, have your partner reach around and grab your balls to make sure they are still there.

"Maybe?" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Cluck U wrote:We don't need a huge standing military.
An Army of only about 520k (already shrunk from about 570k) for a country of about 320 million isn't a huge standing Army. Heck, that's 16 hundreths of 1% of the population.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Cluck U wrote:We don't need a huge standing military.
An Army of only about 520k (already shrunk from about 570k) for a country of about 320 million isn't a huge standing Army. Heck, that's 16 hundreths of 1% of the population.
Well Golly Jee!

With OIF done and OEF almost complete, there's not a reason to have a large standing army. That is unless there's a clear and present danger of being invaded. We do NOT need to be policing the world. The world should police itself. Our allies expect way too much from us. Let England, France, Germany, etc... waste their money and children for a few decades. They've been great support and followers. But that's it. They've followed.
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BDKJMU wrote:
An Army of only about 520k (already shrunk from about 570k) for a country of about 320 million isn't a huge standing Army. Heck, that's 16 hundreths of 1% of the population.
Well Golly Jee!

With OIF done and OEF almost complete, there's not a reason to have a large standing army. That is unless there's a clear and present danger of being invaded. We do NOT need to be policing the world. The world should police itself. Our allies expect way too much from us. Let England, France, Germany, etc... waste their money and children for a few decades. They've been great support and followers. But that's it. They've followed.
I agree on the one hand, but on the other hand I think peace through strength is preferable to pece through weakness, which appears to Clucks's view. You can't withdraw into a shell of the 50 states with a weak military and not have negative consequences for the US and its interests.
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