Seattle harmony - crumbling as we speak

[UNI88]

I used Baton Rouge because that's the way the calculator works. You have to pick a city. I live in the suburbs and both of my kids scored in the upper 90 percentiles in their standardized tests. That means they did better than the overwhelming majority of students in Seattle or anywhere else did.

And meanwhile my cost of living was much lower than it would have been in Seattle.

As an aside, you need to understand that school systems are rated by standardized test scores and the demographics of the area have a huge impact on standardized test scores. If you adjust Louisiana standardized test scores for demographics Louisiana looks OK.

Of course you're not allowed to do that officially. Then you'd have to admit that race is a factor and the fact that Louisiana is over 30% Black impacts its standardized test scores.

Why do I have to admit that race is a factor? Do you have definitive scientific proof that race is a factor? I would hazard a guess that socio-economic status is a much bigger factor.

[JohnStOnge]

Why do I have to admit that race is a factor? Do you have definitive scientific proof that race is a factor? I would hazard a guess that socio-economic status is a much bigger factor.

Regardless of the reason for race being a factor it is a factor. Socioeconomic status is a factor as well. Parental education level. All kinds of stuff. I have to ask you if you've seen the posts I did where I compared math test scores of poor ethnic Asian children of parents who didn't finish high school to those of middle to upper class Black students such that at least one parent finished college. That "disadvantage" Asian children in terms of socioeconomic status and parental education level scored higher than the "advantaged" Black children did.

Years ago I used to be able to show that if you adjust National Assessment of Educational Progress math test scores from various States for demographics of race, socioeconomic status, and parental education level you eliminate the gap between the national average and the Louisiana state average.

Louisiana has the second highest percent Black population in the country. It also has a higher percentage of poor children and a lower percentage of children with at least one parent who graduated college. As compared to the nation as a whole it has a very large proportion of children who are three of those...poor, Black children of parents with low educational attainment levels. And that is a lot bigger factor in Louisiana always being near the bottom in standardized test scores than its school system is.

I graduated from a Louisiana public school. We didn't take the SAT in Louisiana back then. We took the ACT only. I took it as a junior and scored at the 97th percentile in the composite and above the 99th percentile in the Science section of it. I little doubt I'd have done better if I'd have taken it as a senior. I had a female friend who scored two points lower on the composite than I did as a junior then scored one point higher than I did when she took the test again as a senior.

Also I didn't do anything to prepare for it. No courses on taking the test or anything. I just showed up and took it.

I'm not saying that to brag. I know there are people here who did better than that on their college entrance exam. Probably a lot of 99th percentile people here. But I"m reporting it to point out that I somehow managed to score better overall on that test than 97% of students taking it nationally and score better than 99% of them on the Science portion. If going to a Louisiana public school is such a l limiting factor, I would not have been able to do that. Same with my kids. My deaf kid scored at the 97th percentile and my girl scored at the 95th percentile. Going to a Louisiana public high school did not keep them from comparing very favorably with the national population. No they didn't score at the 99th percentile but they also didn't score as though they were horribly deprived in terms of education.

[UNI88]

Why do I have to admit that race is a factor? Do you have definitive scientific proof that race is a factor? I would hazard a guess that socio-economic status is a much bigger factor.

Regardless of the reason for race being a factor it is a factor. Socioeconomic status is a factor as well. Parental education level. All kinds of stuff. I have to ask you if you've seen the posts I did where I compared math test scores of poor ethnic Asian children of parents who didn't finish high school to those of middle to upper class Black students such that at least one parent finished college. That "disadvantage" Asian children in terms of socioeconomic status and parental education level scored higher than the "advantaged" Black children did.

Years ago I used to be able to show that if you adjust National Assessment of Educational Progress math test scores from various States for demographics of race, socioeconomic status, and parental education level you eliminate the gap between the national average and the Louisiana state average.

Louisiana has the second highest percent Black population in the country. It also has a higher percentage of poor children and a lower percentage of children with at least one parent who graduated college. As compared to the nation as a whole it has a very large proportion of children who are three of those...poor, Black children of parents with low educational attainment levels. And that is a lot bigger factor in Louisiana always being near the bottom in standardized test scores than its school system is.

I graduated from a Louisiana public school. We didn't take the SAT in Louisiana back then. We took the ACT only. I took it as a junior and scored at the 97th percentile in the composite and above the 99th percentile in the Science section of it. I little doubt I'd have done better if I'd have taken it as a senior. I had a female friend who scored two points lower on the composite than I did as a junior then scored one point higher than I did when she took the test again as a senior.

Also I didn't do anything to prepare for it. No courses on taking the test or anything. I just showed up and took it.

I'm not saying that to brag. I know there are people here who did better than that on their college entrance exam. Probably a lot of 99th percentile people here. But I"m reporting it to point out that I somehow managed to score better overall on that test than 97% of students taking it nationally and score better than 99% of them on the Science portion. If going to a Louisiana public school is such a l limiting factor, I would not have been able to do that. Same with my kids. My deaf kid scored at the 97th percentile and my girl scored at the 95th percentile. Going to a Louisiana public high school did not keep them from comparing very favorably with the national population. No they didn't score at the 99th percentile but they also didn't score as though they were horribly deprived in terms of education.

Nice response Jon. A little wordy but well thought out and written. Question, when you say that race is a factor do you mean that it is a matter of genetics or is it cultural? I would argue that poor ethnic Asian children might score higher than poor African American children because of cultural norms that have developed over time. Ethnic Asians push their children to study and do better while poor African Americans feel more beaten down by their situation and don't have the hope/confidence that education can give their kids a way out.

[Chizzang]

Regardless of the reason for race being a factor it is a factor. Socioeconomic status is a factor as well. Parental education level. All kinds of stuff. I have to ask you if you've seen the posts I did where I compared math test scores of poor ethnic Asian children of parents who didn't finish high school to those of middle to upper class Black students such that at least one parent finished college. That "disadvantage" Asian children in terms of socioeconomic status and parental education level scored higher than the "advantaged" Black children did.

Years ago I used to be able to show that if you adjust National Assessment of Educational Progress math test scores from various States for demographics of race, socioeconomic status, and parental education level you eliminate the gap between the national average and the Louisiana state average.

Louisiana has the second highest percent Black population in the country. It also has a higher percentage of poor children and a lower percentage of children with at least one parent who graduated college. As compared to the nation as a whole it has a very large proportion of children who are three of those...poor, Black children of parents with low educational attainment levels. And that is a lot bigger factor in Louisiana always being near the bottom in standardized test scores than its school system is.

I graduated from a Louisiana public school. We didn't take the SAT in Louisiana back then. We took the ACT only. I took it as a junior and scored at the 97th percentile in the composite and above the 99th percentile in the Science section of it. I little doubt I'd have done better if I'd have taken it as a senior. I had a female friend who scored two points lower on the composite than I did as a junior then scored one point higher than I did when she took the test again as a senior.

Also I didn't do anything to prepare for it. No courses on taking the test or anything. I just showed up and took it.

I'm not saying that to brag. I know there are people here who did better than that on their college entrance exam. Probably a lot of 99th percentile people here. But I"m reporting it to point out that I somehow managed to score better overall on that test than 97% of students taking it nationally and score better than 99% of them on the Science portion. If going to a Louisiana public school is such a l limiting factor, I would not have been able to do that. Same with my kids. My deaf kid scored at the 97th percentile and my girl scored at the 95th percentile. Going to a Louisiana public high school did not keep them from comparing very favorably with the national population. No they didn't score at the 99th percentile but they also didn't score as though they were horribly deprived in terms of education.

Too Long ^ Didn't Read
But was that up there the:
I know Baton Rouge is a sh!t hole but I live in the white neighborhood - response - I was waiting for..?

Thank you for playing John / but I'll still take Seattle any day

[JohnStOnge]

know Baton Rouge is a sh!t hole but I live in the white neighborhood - response - I was waiting for..?

Thank you for playing John / but I'll still take Seattle any day

I live in an integrated neighborhood. By that I mean there are Blacks living here such as the middle school principle guy who lives across the street and two houses down. It's clearly a majority White neighborhood and way more majority White than Louisiana in general (32% Black) but may be in line with the national proportion (13% Black). I live in Ascension Parish in a suburb of Baton Rouge and Ascension Parish has a reputation for having a very good school system. In fact my wife and I moved here specifically for the deaf education program.

As for living in Seattle: Different strokes for different folks. I've only been to the Seattle area twice and stayed there for a week each time. Once I was staying in Tacoma and the other time in Seattle. I did like some of the countryside with the big conifer trees. But overall I didn't like it and would not have wanted to live around there even if I didn't know the cost of living is so much higher. To me, both times, it was just a dark, dreary place that kind of brought my mood down.

But that kind of thing is like liking red heads vs. blondes. It's just what a person likes and what a person likes is probably influenced by the circumstances in which they grew up. For instance I grew up in South Louisiana in the South Louisiana culture and the only time I moved away for a few years (Coastal Georgia) I really missed the culture. Also missed the fishing. Georgia fishing was good but nothing like Louisiana. As I've written before estuary is the most productive ecosystem and Louisiana's got about 40% of the estuarine area in the contiguous United States. You might like fishing better for the species somewhere else if you'd rather fish for salmon instead of speckled trout or something but you're not going to find year round fishing action as good as that in Louisiana in any other State. Or at least not the opportunity. The "density" of aquatic life is just higher here due to that massive estuarine area.

I also happen to be somebody who prefers to live where the land if flat. I know a lot of people aren't like that and I don't mind VISITING areas where there are hills and mountains but when it comes to where I'm going to live I want it to be flat.

[JohnStOnge]

Question, when you say that race is a factor do you mean that it is a matter of genetics or is it cultural? I would argue that poor ethnic Asian children might score higher than poor African American children because of cultural norms that have developed over time. Ethnic Asians push their children to study and do better while poor African Americans feel more beaten down by their situation and don't have the hope/confidence that education can give their kids a way out.

I personally believe genetics is a factor and think it's reasonable to believe that but there's no way to prove it. The cultural explanation you described is a view held by many, I think. However, I also think there is a bias against thinking that genetics is a factor. I think that our psychological science and educational science establishment starts off wanting to believe that it's not and is constantly looking at things through that prism.

But, regardless, it's not easy to "fix." And to me it's a shame that school systems, teachers, etc., get blamed for the effects of demographics. Like I guarantee you if you give me the numbers of children in each of the 50 States and identify the race, school lunch program eligibility status, and parental education level of each I could rank the States in terms of their overall average test scores without ever looking at any test scores at all and it would come out highly correlated with what you get when you rank by the overall average test scores. My bet before I even started would be that Louisiana and Mississippi would come out 49th and 50th because of their demographics.

[Chizzang]

know Baton Rouge is a sh!t hole but I live in the white neighborhood - response - I was waiting for..?

Thank you for playing John / but I'll still take Seattle any day

I live in an integrated neighborhood. By that I mean there are Blacks living here such as the middle school principle guy who lives across the street and two houses down. It's clearly a majority White neighborhood and way more majority White than Louisiana in general (32% Black) but may be in line with the national proportion (13% Black). I live in Ascension Parish in a suburb of Baton Rouge and Ascension Parish has a reputation for having a very good school system. In fact my wife and I moved here specifically for the deaf education program.

As for living in Seattle: Different strokes for different folks. I've only been to the Seattle area twice and stayed there for a week each time. Once I was staying in Tacoma and the other time in Seattle. I did like some of the countryside with the big conifer trees. But overall I didn't like it and would not have wanted to live around there even if I didn't know the cost of living is so much higher. To me, both times, it was just a dark, dreary place that kind of brought my mood down.

But that kind of thing is like liking red heads vs. blondes. It's just what a person likes and what a person likes is probably influenced by the circumstances in which they grew up. For instance I grew up in South Louisiana in the South Louisiana culture and the only time I moved away for a few years (Coastal Georgia) I really missed the culture. Also missed the fishing. Georgia fishing was good but nothing like Louisiana. As I've written before estuary is the most productive ecosystem and Louisiana's got about 40% of the estuarine area in the contiguous United States. You might like fishing better for the species somewhere else if you'd rather fish for salmon instead of speckled trout or something but you're not going to find year round fishing action as good as that in Louisiana in any other State. Or at least not the opportunity. The "density" of aquatic life is just higher here due to that massive estuarine area.

I also happen to be somebody who prefers to live where the land if flat. I know a lot of people aren't like that and I don't mind VISITING areas where there are hills and mountains but when it comes to where I'm going to live I want it to be flat.

Okay first of all Tacoma is the "Baton Rouge" of Washington - Tacoma is a sh!t hole arm pit
and it is NOT Seattle by any stretch
On a good day you can get from Tacoma to Seattle in an hour 15 minutes
So it's like saying you visited Manhattan when you were actually somewhere in New Jersey

Next:
In the winter time I like to go Skiing on Saturday and Mountain biking on Sunday
(This requires Mountains) Snow at the top and 25 degrees / mud Trails at the bottom and 45 degrees
*Paradise

Next:
It was 63 degrees and sunny on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday this past week
Today it's drizzly and gray...That is the nature of Seattle and I love that
I love how in the spring time every 10 day forecast is for 10 days of rain
but about half of those days will be gorgeous spring days

Again: You can keep Baton Rouge and it's 22 percent poverty and crime through the roof

[kalm]

I live in an integrated neighborhood. By that I mean there are Blacks living here such as the middle school principle guy who lives across the street and two houses down. It's clearly a majority White neighborhood and way more majority White than Louisiana in general (32% Black) but may be in line with the national proportion (13% Black). I live in Ascension Parish in a suburb of Baton Rouge and Ascension Parish has a reputation for having a very good school system. In fact my wife and I moved here specifically for the deaf education program.

As for living in Seattle: Different strokes for different folks. I've only been to the Seattle area twice and stayed there for a week each time. Once I was staying in Tacoma and the other time in Seattle. I did like some of the countryside with the big conifer trees. But overall I didn't like it and would not have wanted to live around there even if I didn't know the cost of living is so much higher. To me, both times, it was just a dark, dreary place that kind of brought my mood down.

But that kind of thing is like liking red heads vs. blondes. It's just what a person likes and what a person likes is probably influenced by the circumstances in which they grew up. For instance I grew up in South Louisiana in the South Louisiana culture and the only time I moved away for a few years (Coastal Georgia) I really missed the culture. Also missed the fishing. Georgia fishing was good but nothing like Louisiana. As I've written before estuary is the most productive ecosystem and Louisiana's got about 40% of the estuarine area in the contiguous United States. You might like fishing better for the species somewhere else if you'd rather fish for salmon instead of speckled trout or something but you're not going to find year round fishing action as good as that in Louisiana in any other State. Or at least not the opportunity. The "density" of aquatic life is just higher here due to that massive estuarine area.

I also happen to be somebody who prefers to live where the land if flat. I know a lot of people aren't like that and I don't mind VISITING areas where there are hills and mountains but when it comes to where I'm going to live I want it to be flat.

Okay first of all Tacoma is the "Baton Rouge" of Washington - Tacoma is a sh!t hole arm pit
and it is NOT Seattle by any stretch
On a good day you can get from Tacoma to Seattle in an hour 15 minutes
So it's like saying you visited Manhattan when you were actually somewhere in New Jersey

Next:
In the winter time I like to go Skiing on Saturday and Mountain biking on Sunday
(This requires Mountains) Snow at the top and 25 degrees / mud Trails at the bottom and 45 degrees
*Paradise

Next:
It was 63 degrees and sunny on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday this past week
Today it's drizzly and gray...That is the nature of Seattle and I love that
I love how in the spring time every 10 day forecast is for 10 days of rain
but about half of those days will be gorgeous spring days

Again: You can keep Baton Rouge and it's 22 percent poverty and crime through the roof

Not to mention that with dozens of rivers entering Puget Sound you also have a massive and multiple estuary system that's probably as bio-diverse as his, leaving one the opportunity to fish for 5 species of Pacific Salmon, Sea-Run Cutthroat, Dolly Vardin, flounder, an assortment of rockfish, halibut, squid, shark, steelhead, several perch species, kelp bass, ling cod, and snapper. Move a few miles inland and Lakes Washington and Sammamish among others have terrific fishing for bass, carp, and other spiny rays.

[JohnStOnge]

Not to mention that with dozens of rivers entering Puget Sound you also have a massive and multiple estuary system that's probably as bio-diverse as his, leaving one the opportunity to fish for 5 species of Pacific Salmon, Sea-Run Cutthroat, Dolly Vardin, flounder, an assortment of rockfish, halibut, squid, shark, steelhead, several perch species, kelp bass, ling cod, and snapper. Move a few miles inland and Lakes Washington and Sammamish among others have terrific fishing for bass, carp, and other spiny rays.

It's not that Louisiana's estuarine area is more bio diverse. I don't know if it is or not. It's just that there's a lot more of it. Think about it. Estuary is the freshwater/saltwater mixing zone. Louisiana is where the Mississippi River exits the continental United States. The Atchfalaya is also a high flow river.

The high freshwater flow goes into a shallow continental shelf area where the tidal action is low energy as compared to some other places. It's a diurnal tide that goes in and out once about every 24 hours and the tide range is in the 1 to 2 feet area. So the mixing is "soft" and "gentle." It's also warm.

It's just an extremely productive environment. I don't know but I would be willing to bet that if you were to ask fisheries biologists around the country to vote on which State has the most productive fishery environment in terms of total biomass per unit area they'd say Louisiana does.

In any case I'm happy with it. If other people like other places better that's fine.

[houndawg]

know Baton Rouge is a sh!t hole but I live in the white neighborhood - response - I was waiting for..?

Thank you for playing John / but I'll still take Seattle any day

I live in an integrated neighborhood. By that I mean there are Blacks living here such as the middle school principle guy who lives across the street and two houses down. It's clearly a majority White neighborhood and way more majority White than Louisiana in general (32% Black) but may be in line with the national proportion (13% Black). I live in Ascension Parish in a suburb of Baton Rouge and Ascension Parish has a reputation for having a very good school system. In fact my wife and I moved here specifically for the deaf education program.

As for living in Seattle: Different strokes for different folks. I've only been to the Seattle area twice and stayed there for a week each time. Once I was staying in Tacoma and the other time in Seattle. I did like some of the countryside with the big conifer trees. But overall I didn't like it and would not have wanted to live around there even if I didn't know the cost of living is so much higher. To me, both times, it was just a dark, dreary place that kind of brought my mood down.

But that kind of thing is like liking red heads vs. blondes. It's just what a person likes and what a person likes is probably influenced by the circumstances in which they grew up. For instance I grew up in South Louisiana in the South Louisiana culture and the only time I moved away for a few years (Coastal Georgia) I really missed the culture. Also missed the fishing. Georgia fishing was good but nothing like Louisiana. As I've written before estuary is the most productive ecosystem and Louisiana's got about 40% of the estuarine area in the contiguous United States. You might like fishing better for the species somewhere else if you'd rather fish for salmon instead of speckled trout or something but you're not going to find year round fishing action as good as that in Louisiana in any other State. Or at least not the opportunity. The "density" of aquatic life is just higher here due to that massive estuarine area.

I also happen to be somebody who prefers to live where the land if flat. I know a lot of people aren't like that and I don't mind VISITING areas where there are hills and mountains but when it comes to where I'm going to live I want it to be flat.

Yeah, somewhere I could eat what I catch....

[Pwns]

Looming disaster for Seattle restaurants.

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A spokesman for the Washington Restaurant Association told the Washington Policy Center, “Every [restaurant] operator I’m talking to is in panic mode, trying to figure out what the new world will look like… Seattle is the first city in this thing and everyone’s watching, asking how is this going to change?” The Washington Policy Center.

[houndawg]

Do you have anything to refute Chizz's statement, or just more of your snarky, irrelevant blathering?

Uh, if Seattle is already on its way to $15/hour everywhere "because that's already where it is
In the day to day reality of the Seattle market place," then there would be absolutely no need to make it the mandatory minimum wage.

Of course, the article mentions that many jobs don't pay anywhere near $15/hour, so they must be lying (or maybe they haven't used Chizzy as a news source).



You really aren't good at this.

Translation: "No I don't have anything to refute Chizz's statement".

[Chizzang]

Looming disaster for Seattle restaurants.

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A spokesman for the Washington Restaurant Association told the Washington Policy Center, “Every [restaurant] operator I’m talking to is in panic mode, trying to figure out what the new world will look like… Seattle is the first city in this thing and everyone’s watching, asking how is this going to change?” The Washington Policy Center.

Looming disaster..?
As dictated by the "Washington Restaurant Association"
What do you expect them to say, they love paying people $2.50 cents an hour and now that's changing
I'm sure it feels like doom

Meh... We've all heard about impending doom before
I'll tell you how it will change things - sh!t places will fold ASAP - quality restaurants will charge more

The end...

[dbackjon]

Looming disaster for Seattle restaurants.

http://shiftwa.org/more-seattle-restaur ... ign=buffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A spokesman for the Washington Restaurant Association told the Washington Policy Center, “Every [restaurant] operator I’m talking to is in panic mode, trying to figure out what the new world will look like… Seattle is the first city in this thing and everyone’s watching, asking how is this going to change?” The Washington Policy Center.

You post a blog from a self-styled anti-Democratic, hard right website and call it news? Did you ask Putin to write a piece on the Ukraine?

[travelinman67]

What the hell do you know? It's not like you live there or anything.

Boehner lives in Ohio, Pelosi lives in California...according to you, they both know what's going on in their communities.

Yes, HalWitGriz thinks everyone in their communities knows what's going on.








Thanks for playing.

[BDKJMU]

Looming disaster for Seattle restaurants.

http://shiftwa.org/more-seattle-restaur ... ign=buffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looming disaster..?
As dictated by the "Washington Restaurant Association"
What do you expect them to say, they love paying people $2.50 cents an hour and now that's changing
I'm sure it feels like doom

Meh... We've all heard about impending doom before
I'll tell you how it will change things - sh!t places will fold ASAP - quality restaurants will charge more

The end...

And I'm sure a lot of people will make up for it by tipping less, kind of like in much of Europe, where the wait staff receives much higher minimum wages than the States, but much lower tips (5-10% or hardly any at all). You would be silly to continue to tip the same 18-20% on a now more expensive bill on servers that will be getting paid 7 times the $2.13 fed minimum wage for tipped jobs.

[Chizzang]

Looming disaster..?
As dictated by the "Washington Restaurant Association"
What do you expect them to say, they love paying people $2.50 cents an hour and now that's changing
I'm sure it feels like doom

Meh... We've all heard about impending doom before
I'll tell you how it will change things - sh!t places will fold ASAP - quality restaurants will charge more

The end...

And I'm sure a lot of people will make up for it by tipping less, kind of like in much of Europe, where the wait staff receives much higher minimum wages than the States, but much lower tips (5-10% or hardly any at all). You would be silly to continue to tip the same 18-20% on a now more expensive bill on servers that will be getting paid 7 times the $2.13 fed minimum wage for tipped jobs.

There are signs up already in some restaurants alluding to as much...

[Pwns]

Looming disaster..?
As dictated by the "Washington Restaurant Association"
What do you expect them to say, they love paying people $2.50 cents an hour and now that's changing
I'm sure it feels like doom

Meh... We've all heard about impending doom before
I'll tell you how it will change things - sh!t places will fold ASAP - quality restaurants will charge more

The end...

Fair enough point about the WRA.

BTW, what is a "sh!t restaurant" in your eyes? Any restaurant whose target customer base isn't liberal upper-middle class people who won't eat any restaurant entree unless it's organic has at least 2 exotic ingredients?

I'm not one of those people that says you can't raise the minimum wage because freedom constitution big government. I won't dispute there's a lot of businesses that can afford to pay better wages. I just happen to think this is a one-size-fits all that's going to kill some businesses while ultimately not leaving a lot of people better off.

[CID1990]

sh!t places will fold ASAP

By sh!t places you mean places where they wear name tags?

[Chizzang]

In response to both of you above... and as I said a few times in a few different ways before
a whole bunch of places already pay damn near $15 an hour
Yes Starbucks and Costco and the like have been doing so for years now in the Seattle Market and beyond

But places you might not ever dream would do it have been paying well over minimum around here
Why..? Because they've read the Costco / Starbucks employee statistical reports / Less turnover and Happier Employees - make happier customers

McDonlads in King county has even begrudgingly admitted that everything works better when they pay a better wage - their restaurants run better - go figure.. WHAT A SHOCK - I don't know all the answers but f**king over the peasants isn't a long term strategy that has proven to work... Anywhere (ever)

Our Free Market Master Lord God Emperor Wal-Mart even some day might be forced to appease the peasants

[Ivytalk]

Anything that brings on the death of the "tip jar," I'm in favor of!

[CID1990]

In response to both of you above... and as I said a few times in a few different ways before
a whole bunch of places already pay damn near $15 an hour
Yes Starbucks and Costco and the like have been doing so for years now in the Seattle Market and beyond

But places you might not ever dream would do it have been paying well over minimum around here
Why..? Because they've read the Costco / Starbucks employee statistical reports / Less turnover and Happier Employees - make happier customers

McDonlads in King county has even begrudgingly admitted that everything works better when they pay a better wage - their restaurants run better - go figure.. WHAT A SHOCK - I don't know all the answers but f**king over the peasants isn't a long term strategy that has proven to work... Anywhere (ever)

Our Free Market Master Lord God Emperor Wal-Mart even some day might be forced to appease the peasants

Who you talking to Willis?

I don't care if they raise the minimum wage. Hell I don't care if it's 40 bucks an hour

I just had this funny image of what constitutes a sh1t restaurant in your eyes.... places where "the remoulade was a trifle tart, Buffy"

[kalm]

Anything that brings on the death of the "tip jar," I'm in favor of!

Cheapskatedness thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>''

Oh…and anyone who likes decent coffee would consider a Starbucks a "shit place."

[Chizzang]

In response to both of you above... and as I said a few times in a few different ways before
a whole bunch of places already pay damn near $15 an hour
Yes Starbucks and Costco and the like have been doing so for years now in the Seattle Market and beyond

But places you might not ever dream would do it have been paying well over minimum around here
Why..? Because they've read the Costco / Starbucks employee statistical reports / Less turnover and Happier Employees - make happier customers

McDonlads in King county has even begrudgingly admitted that everything works better when they pay a better wage - their restaurants run better - go figure.. WHAT A SHOCK - I don't know all the answers but f**king over the peasants isn't a long term strategy that has proven to work... Anywhere (ever)

Our Free Market Master Lord God Emperor Wal-Mart even some day might be forced to appease the peasants

Who you talking to Willis?

I don't care if they raise the minimum wage. Hell I don't care if it's 40 bucks an hour

I just had this funny image of what constitutes a sh1t restaurant in your eyes.... places where "the remoulade was a trifle tart, Buffy"

Independent places in Seattle that can't do this... (below)


or this (below)



or this:

[HI54UNI]

Who you talking to Willis?

I don't care if they raise the minimum wage. Hell I don't care if it's 40 bucks an hour

I just had this funny image of what constitutes a sh1t restaurant in your eyes.... places where "the remoulade was a trifle tart, Buffy"

Independent places in Seattle that can't do this... (below)


or this (below)



or this:

Why did you post 2 pictures of food and one of cleavage?