Mr. Klean told you so about the F-35

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:52 am

houndawg wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
So you couldn't get in the Navy, either? Doesn't surprise me....
He's heterosexual, Z, they wouldn't even talk to him.

Coming to the defense of your butt buddy? How cute...

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:59 am

CID1990 wrote:I'd be happy with our military spending being cut down to just that amount that would allow us to defend our own soil effectively enough to discourage an invader from considering the possibility of success.

Unfortunately, I don't think that military would be less than 3/4 of the one we currently have. And it would certainly include the latest generation fighters and attack aircraft.

I think it could be cut pretty deep and still meet your scenario. There simply aren't any countries capable of invading the US. The ones that have enough people don't have enough Navy. China will eventually have enough navy but outside part of SoCal there is no place to land the troops. If they land them in SoCal they'll just head for Disneyland.

The problem with the F-35 is that it has a pilot and we are rapidly approaching the day when combat pilots become obsolete. The F-35 won't be useful for very long if in fact they ever do get it right. Kinda like the old B-36. Very soon after it took wing it was rendered obsolete by jets.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:01 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
He's heterosexual, Z, they wouldn't even talk to him.
Coming to the defense of your butt buddy? How cute...

No, just explaining that there is a perfectly normal reason why Klean couldn't join the Navy.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:04 am

dbackjon wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:dbackjon wins......again. Expensive toys for Chickenhawk **** who would move mountains to keep their sons and daughters from flying one in war.....

I prefer this victory picture...

If I stepped on the mat and saw that I think I'd just forfeit....

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:17 am

houndawg wrote:

If I stepped on the mat and saw that I think I'd just forfeit....

He apparently was REALLY excited about the victory...

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:30 am

houndawg wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Coming to the defense of your butt buddy? How cute...

No, just explaining that there is a perfectly normal reason why Klean couldn't join the Navy.

I never ever wanted to join the Navy. For what???

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:50 am

mrklean wrote:
houndawg wrote:

No, just explaining that there is a perfectly normal reason why Klean couldn't join the Navy.

I never ever wanted to join the Navy. For what???

I remember the shuffling around of barely qualified recruits at the MEPS station in Raleigh, NC- these guys had issues... either they had minor criminal records, fallen arches, or were just plain dumb... they always got shuffled over to Army and Navy. I was Navy so I don't have any axes to grind, but it was well known that the real dregs of the recruit world wound up either as mess cooks in the Army or Navy.

That said, the absolute most difficult rating to get into in any service was nuclear in the Navy.

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:04 pm

CID1990 wrote:
mrklean wrote:

I never ever wanted to join the Navy. For what???
I remember the shuffling around of barely qualified recruits at the MEPS station in Raleigh, NC- these guys had issues... either they had minor criminal records, fallen arches, or were just plain dumb... they always got shuffled over to Army and Navy. I was Navy so I don't have any axes to grind, but it was well known that the real dregs of the recruit world wound up either as mess cooks in the Army or Navy.

That said, the absolute most difficult rating to get into in any service was nuclear in the Navy.

They come out of A School a E-6

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:08 pm

CID1990 wrote:
mrklean wrote:

I never ever wanted to join the Navy. For what???
I remember the shuffling around of barely qualified recruits at the MEPS station in Raleigh, NC- these guys had issues... either they had minor criminal records, fallen arches, or were just plain dumb... they always got shuffled over to Army and Navy. I was Navy so I don't have any axes to grind, but it was well known that the real dregs of the recruit world wound up either as mess cooks in the Army or Navy.

That said, the absolute most difficult rating to get into in any service was nuclear in the Navy.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:08 pm

mrklean wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I remember the shuffling around of barely qualified recruits at the MEPS station in Raleigh, NC- these guys had issues... either they had minor criminal records, fallen arches, or were just plain dumb... they always got shuffled over to Army and Navy. I was Navy so I don't have any axes to grind, but it was well known that the real dregs of the recruit world wound up either as mess cooks in the Army or Navy.

That said, the absolute most difficult rating to get into in any service was nuclear in the Navy.
They come out of A School a E-6

Complete bullshit, right there.

Post by **Ibanez** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:10 pm

mrklean wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I remember the shuffling around of barely qualified recruits at the MEPS station in Raleigh, NC- these guys had issues... either they had minor criminal records, fallen arches, or were just plain dumb... they always got shuffled over to Army and Navy. I was Navy so I don't have any axes to grind, but it was well known that the real dregs of the recruit world wound up either as mess cooks in the Army or Navy.

That said, the absolute most difficult rating to get into in any service was nuclear in the Navy.
They come out of A School a E-6

BULL - FUCKING -SHIT! Staff Sgts. are serving shit on a shingle in the mess.

Post by **93henfan** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:33 pm

The real sharp tacks are all diverted to the Marine Corps.

I mean, just look at this board. It's a who's who of Einstein-types who earned the Eagle, Globe & Anchor:

bobbythekidd
polsongrizz
93henfan

That's like a God-damned final set of contestants on the Jeopardy Tournament of Fucking Champions.

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:50 pm

93henfan wrote:The real sharp tacks are all diverted to the Marine Corps.

I mean, just look at this board. It's a who's who of Einstein-types who earned the Eagle, Globe & Anchor:

bobbythekidd
polsongrizz
93henfan

That's like a God-damned final set of contestants on the Jeopardy Tournament of Fucking Champions.

The Marines just took Pols so they could sent him to guard embassies and scare off would-be attackers with his 200 decibel voice.

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:53 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
mrklean wrote:
They come out of A School a E-6
Complete bullshit, right there.

I was told that the Nuclear program in the Navy was two years long and when you graduated your were a E-6. Is this true or not. I was told this by a guy I knew who worked in the Savannah River Site. Again, this is what I was told.

Post by **Ibanez** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:07 am

mrklean wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Complete bullshit, right there.

I was told that the Nuclear program in the Navy was two years long and when you graduated your were a E-6. Is this true or not. I was told this by a guy I knew who worked in the Savannah River Site. Again, this is what I was told.

Nuke School, no. They don't come out Staff Sgts.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:31 am

Ibanez wrote:
mrklean wrote:

I was told that the Nuclear program in the Navy was two years long and when you graduated your were a E-6. Is this true or not. I was told this by a guy I knew who worked in the Savannah River Site. Again, this is what I was told.
Nuke School, no. They don't come out Staff Sgts.

OK. First off, there's no such thing as a staff sgt in the Navy. An E-6 is a First Class Petty Officer. Secondly, kleanex, you're asking two different questions: While many nukes take 2 years to get to the fleet, they don't come out of "A" school as an E-6...."A" school is what nukes attend right after boot camp...and "A" school length was different for Machinist Mates (shortest), Electricians Mates (longer) and Electronic Technicians (longest). 99% of nukes (of which I was one) come out of their "A" school an E-4, after graduating boot camp as an E-3 (although some only come out of boot camp as E-2's). Once out of A school, THEN they begin Nuke school (6-7 months), followed by Nuke prototype (another 6-7 months), sometimes with another follow-on school or two....So, most nukes end up getting to the fleet as a senior E-4 or an E-5....which still pissed off guys on the ship (non-nukes), many of whom were E-2's and E-3's and already had a WesPac or two under their belts.

Post by **93henfan** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:00 am

Navy: so much jargon.

And cracker jack hats!

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:33 am

Ibanez wrote:
mrklean wrote:

I was told that the Nuclear program in the Navy was two years long and when you graduated your were a E-6. Is this true or not. I was told this by a guy I knew who worked in the Savannah River Site. Again, this is what I was told.
Nuke School, no. They don't come out Staff Sgts.

I said E-6 not Staff. Sgt.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:40 pm

93henfan wrote:Navy: so much jargon.

And cracker jack hats!

and the cute bell bottoms with the buttons like my girlfriends used to wear.

Post by **Ibanez** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:31 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Nuke School, no. They don't come out Staff Sgts.
OK. First off, there's no such thing as a staff sgt in the Navy. An E-6 is a First Class Petty Officer. Secondly, kleanex, you're asking two different questions: While many nukes take 2 years to get to the fleet, they don't come out of "A" school as an E-6...."A" school is what nukes attend right after boot camp...and "A" school length was different for Machinist Mates (shortest), Electricians Mates (longer) and Electronic Technicians (longest). 99% of nukes (of which I was one) come out of their "A" school an E-4, after graduating boot camp as an E-3 (although some only come out of boot camp as E-2's). Once out of A school, THEN they begin Nuke school (6-7 months), followed by Nuke prototype (another 6-7 months), sometimes with another follow-on school or two....So, most nukes end up getting to the fleet as a senior E-4 or an E-5....which still pissed off guys on the ship (non-nukes), many of whom were E-2's and E-3's and already had a WesPac or two under their belts.

S.S/ Petty officer both are E-6. Give it a rest, Fido.

Post by **Ibanez** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:32 pm

mrklean wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Nuke School, no. They don't come out Staff Sgts.

I said E-6 not Staff. Sgt.

E-6 is a Staff Sgt in the Army, is it not? My bad, First Class Petty Officer.

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:19 pm

Nukes come out of A school as E4s. Nukes aren't the only rates to do this, either- crypto and highly technical ratings also get bumped on graduation from A school. They used to be called "push button E4s" but I am sure by now they have a new nickname for them.

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:09 am

CID1990 wrote:Nukes come out of A school as E4s. Nukes aren't the only rates to do this, either- crypto and highly technical ratings also get bumped on graduation from A school. They used to be called "push button E4s" but I am sure by now they have a new nickname for them.

Any College grad who enlist in the Army is a E-4.

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:15 am

mrklean wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Nukes come out of A school as E4s. Nukes aren't the only rates to do this, either- crypto and highly technical ratings also get bumped on graduation from A school. They used to be called "push button E4s" but I am sure by now they have a new nickname for them.

Any College grad who enlist in the Army is a E-4.

Any college grad who is an E-4 instead of an O-1 is doing it wrong.

YoUDeeMan · Post by **YoUDeeMan** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:20 am

houndawg wrote:

If I stepped on the mat and saw that I think I'd just forfeit....

No, you'd ask the ref if you could start on the bottom.

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