United Nations slams the Vatican

[JoltinJoe]

It does generally support what you were claiming... IF you group ALL protestants together.

There are roughly 170 million protestants in the United States vs. 78 million Catholics.

Though the numbers of claimed cases may be approximately the same... the rate is over double for the Catholic church.

If anything... that begs the question... Why is the rate twice as high for the Catholic Church?

Because the old men in the Vatican push and force celibacy among their clergy even though Christ Himself never endorsed it as a prerequisite to be a minister. The life of an cleric can be lonely and there are times when even their faith will falter but the Episcopal Church knows this, embraces diversity and even requires their priests to take certain times of sabbatical to refresh their energies and souls.

It is sad to see the actions imposed upon Rome's priests by her draconian logic and no wonder so many lose faith and leave the priesthood. No church is perfect by any means but with Episcopal clergy, those that are married, at least have a life partner with which they can confide in.

My priest at the EC church I am in the process of being received in is married and his wife is very active in the life of the parish and you can see that it makes him more complete and more well rounded as a means to minister to the flock he has been ordained to shepherd.

I know PLENTY of RC priests who would make great husbands and fathers, but it's sad that they will never get that chance and unfortunately, humanity's sexual urges stay repressed and only bad can come from that.

Blah, blah ...

Jesus founded my Church.

[D1B]

Joe, what's up ?

If you'd agree that abortion was legal only in cases in which the mother's life (or health, appropriately defined) was in jeopardy, or in cases of rape, I would sign onto that law.

Joe, good to see you're pro-abortion.

[D1B]

He'd be secretly shipped to the Vatican so they could keep him quiet. Just like they did recently that high ranking Vatican envoy in the Dominican Republic who raped all those children.

At the Vatican he'd have access to all the boy and man ass he could ****. Vatican is heaven for a gay man and or pedophile.

It's ironic. It is the Catholic Church's cover-up which has been pathetic. The Episcopalians have it down. I mean, you never hear anything about abuse in their church, even though it occurs at a rate higher than in Catholicism.

Shit, Joe, if Jeff Anderson can get the U.N. to unfairly attack the most powerful church in the world, surely you and the many influential people you know can get them to take on the Episcopalians.

Go get em killer.

[D1B]

Because the old men in the Vatican push and force celibacy among their clergy even though Christ Himself never endorsed it as a prerequisite to be a minister. The life of an cleric can be lonely and there are times when even their faith will falter but the Episcopal Church knows this, embraces diversity and even requires their priests to take certain times of sabbatical to refresh their energies and souls.

It is sad to see the actions imposed upon Rome's priests by her draconian logic and no wonder so many lose faith and leave the priesthood. No church is perfect by any means but with Episcopal clergy, those that are married, at least have a life partner with which they can confide in.

My priest at the EC church I am in the process of being received in is married and his wife is very active in the life of the parish and you can see that it makes him more complete and more well rounded as a means to minister to the flock he has been ordained to shepherd.

I know PLENTY of RC priests who would make great husbands and fathers, but it's sad that they will never get that chance and unfortunately, humanity's sexual urges stay repressed and only bad can come from that.

Blah, blah ...

Jesus founded my Church.

You have no independent proof of this.

[JoltinJoe]

If you'd agree that abortion was legal only in cases in which the mother's life (or health, appropriately defined) was in jeopardy, or in cases of rape, I would sign onto that law.

Joe, good to see you're pro-abortion.

Good to see your pro-life.

[JoltinJoe]

Blah, blah ...

Jesus founded my Church.

You have no independent proof of this.

Other than all the history books, none.

[D1B]

You have no independent proof of this.

Other than all the history books, none.

Catholic history books. The catholic church controlled all knowledge for almost 1500 years. It's a known fact the writings on the early church were written years to centuries later and are rife with errors and inconsistencies.

More important there are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus. That alone makes your claim suspect.

[D1B]

Joe, good to see you're pro-abortion.

Good to see your pro-life.

I didn't agree to anything.

You did however agree that abortion is OK in certain circumstance, just what the U.N. Commission is asking of your church.

We're making headway here, Joe. Nice session.

[FCS PATRIOTS]

Because the old men in the Vatican push and force celibacy among their clergy even though Christ Himself never endorsed it as a prerequisite to be a minister. The life of an cleric can be lonely and there are times when even their faith will falter but the Episcopal Church knows this, embraces diversity and even requires their priests to take certain times of sabbatical to refresh their energies and souls.

It is sad to see the actions imposed upon Rome's priests by her draconian logic and no wonder so many lose faith and leave the priesthood. No church is perfect by any means but with Episcopal clergy, those that are married, at least have a life partner with which they can confide in.

My priest at the EC church I am in the process of being received in is married and his wife is very active in the life of the parish and you can see that it makes him more complete and more well rounded as a means to minister to the flock he has been ordained to shepherd.

I know PLENTY of RC priests who would make great husbands and fathers, but it's sad that they will never get that chance and unfortunately, humanity's sexual urges stay repressed and only bad can come from that.

Blah, blah ...

Jesus founded my Church.

Jesus left the Apostles to start churches. Things were going well until Rome decided it had the biggest religious dick and then used the sword and superstition to silence her critics.

Ever read FOXE'S Book of Martyrs? Yeah, real love of Christ from the Roman church there? Jesus would just love all the burning at the stakes, the inquisitions, the sale of indulgences, popes impregnating nuns, popes practicing sorcery, popes having naked little boys at their birthday parties, popes using VICAR OF CHRIST-which up until the time of Charlemagne had never been used, popes declaring Mary to be co-redeemer of all mankind, forcing public confessions and public acts of penance on people, setting up kings and kingdoms under the sword, I mean hell when do you want me to stop?

[FCS PATRIOTS]

Joe reminds of the red headed Penn State coach who acts like he didn't know what Sandusky was doing to the kid in the shower.

[JoltinJoe]

Blah, blah ...

Jesus founded my Church.

Jesus left the Apostles to start churches. Things were going well until Rome decided it had the biggest religious dick and then used the sword and superstition to silence her critics.

Ever read FOXE'S Book of Martyrs? Yeah, real love of Christ from the Roman church there? Jesus would just love all the burning at the stakes, the inquisitions, the sale of indulgences, popes impregnating nuns, popes practicing sorcery, popes having naked little boys at their birthday parties, popes using VICAR OF CHRIST-which up until the time of Charlemagne had never been used, popes declaring Mary to be co-redeemer of all mankind, forcing public confessions and public acts of penance on people, setting up kings and kingdoms under the sword, I mean hell when do you want me to stop?

I am fully aware of the exaggerations and distortions of history and theology by Protestants. When you've left the true and original Church, you have to find some reason to explain yourself.

[kalm]

Jesus left the Apostles to start churches. Things were going well until Rome decided it had the biggest religious dick and then used the sword and superstition to silence her critics.

Ever read FOXE'S Book of Martyrs? Yeah, real love of Christ from the Roman church there? Jesus would just love all the burning at the stakes, the inquisitions, the sale of indulgences, popes impregnating nuns, popes practicing sorcery, popes having naked little boys at their birthday parties, popes using VICAR OF CHRIST-which up until the time of Charlemagne had never been used, popes declaring Mary to be co-redeemer of all mankind, forcing public confessions and public acts of penance on people, setting up kings and kingdoms under the sword, I mean hell when do you want me to stop?

I am fully aware of the exaggerations and distortions of history and theology by Protestants. When you've left the true and original Church, you have to find some reason to explain yourself.

This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is.
- Dalai Lama

[JoltinJoe]

I am fully aware of the exaggerations and distortions of history and theology by Protestants. When you've left the true and original Church, you have to find some reason to explain yourself.

This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is.
- Dalai Lama

How inspiringly meaningless.

[kalm]

How inspiringly meaningless.

This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.
- Dalai Lama


Better?

[JoltinJoe]

How inspiringly meaningless.

This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.
- Dalai Lama


Better?

Hey, if it moves you. The dude is a cliche machine ...

They got the Dalai Lama just right in Caddyshack. He shorts Bill Murray of a tip (something of real value) but he tells him, "gunga galunga," and Bill Murray walks away thinking he has something.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkLH56VlKT0[/youtube]

[kalm]

This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.
- Dalai Lama


Better?

Hey, if it moves you. The dude is a cliche machine ...

They got the Dalai Lama just right in Caddyshack. He shorts Bill Murray of a tip (something of real value) but he tells him, "gunga galunga," and Bill Murray walks away thinking he has something.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkLH56VlKT0[/youtube]

No shit?

And yes, I think kindness is far closer to God than temples and dogma.

[FCS PATRIOTS]

No need to explain. The Church of England reclaimed traditional western Christianity and didn't have to resort to shameless fanatical doctrines to keep the people suppressed and in fear for their lives.

I mean really if Jesus said, on the cross, IT IS FINISHED then why would Rome make us believe that the Virgin Mary appeared to illiterate children and extoled the "saving grace" of a prayer dedicated to her?

I have seen countless catholics place more adoration for Mary than for the redeeming work of Christ himself. Oh I forgot it's "veneration".

[Skjellyfetti]

If anything... that begs the question... Why is the rate twice as high for the Catholic Church?

You do realize nothing in the article supports the claim you just made??

The reported Protestant figure of 260 cases per year is based on claims made to only three insurance companies.

The point of the article is that number of claims involving Protestant clergy reported to just three insurance companies exceed the total number of all claims against Catholic clergy. You did understand that, right?

Yeah, but your original claim was that the rate of abuse among Episcopal priests is higher than among Catholic priests.

Now... you're saying that the NUMBER of reported cases is higher among PROTESTANTS. Not the rate. And not Episcopalians.

You backpedal well enough to play corner for a D-I team.

[JoltinJoe]

You do realize nothing in the article supports the claim you just made??

The reported Protestant figure of 260 cases per year is based on claims made to only three insurance companies.

The point of the article is that number of claims involving Protestant clergy reported to just three insurance companies exceed the total number of all claims against Catholic clergy. You did understand that, right?

Yeah, but your original claim was that the rate of abuse among Episcopal priests is higher than among Catholic priests.

Now... you're saying that the NUMBER of reported cases is higher among PROTESTANTS. Not the rate. And not Episcopalians.

You backpedal well enough to play corner for a D-I team.

No, no, no.

I said the rate is higher among Protestant clergy.

You then ask for a link.

I say you would have to go through a lot of data to obtain the information; however, I provided a link which "generally" supports what I said.

You then focus on the number of cases, but misread the article. I correct you about how you misinterpreted the information regarding the total number of cases.

You then say I'm talking about the total number of cases.

Seriously, it must be a blast to interview you for a job. When we interview an obtuse know-it-all like you, we laugh for the rest of the day.

[JoltinJoe]

Hey, if it moves you. The dude is a cliche machine ...

They got the Dalai Lama just right in Caddyshack. He shorts Bill Murray of a tip (something of real value) but he tells him, "gunga galunga," and Bill Murray walks away thinking he has something.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkLH56VlKT0[/youtube]

No ****?

And yes, I think kindness is far closer to God than temples and dogma.

Yes. "Kindness is nice" and "Knowledge is good." -- Emil Faber (paraphrasing the Dalai Lama).

[JoltinJoe]

No need to explain. The Church of England reclaimed traditional western Christianity and didn't have to resort to shameless fanatical doctrines to keep the people suppressed and in fear for their lives.

The church started by some king wanted to off his former wives, and the pope wouldn't approve of it?

Oh, yea, let me dump the Church formed by Christ and sign up for that.

"All generations to come shall call me blessed."

[Skjellyfetti]

No, no, no.

I said the rate is higher among Protestant clergy.

You then ask for a link.

Ok. I take it back. You are a terrible backpedaler.

Do you know that, according to insurance statistics, the rate of abuse by Episcopal clergy is higher than the rate of abuse by Catholic clergy?

link?

[FCS PATRIOTS]

No need to explain. The Church of England reclaimed traditional western Christianity and didn't have to resort to shameless fanatical doctrines to keep the people suppressed and in fear for their lives.

The church started by some king wanted to off his former wives, and the pope wouldn't approve of it?

Oh, yea, let me dump the Church formed by Christ and sign up for that.

"All generations to come shall call me blessed."

And this equates to people praying to her, calling her their hope and life, making a goddess out of her, once a year each priest "consecrating" a statue of Mary with incense............seriously!!!

You and I won't ever get anywhere bantering but man oh man, can you spin "tradition" that takes glory away from Christ and give it to others.

[JoltinJoe]

No, no, no.

I said the rate is higher among Protestant clergy.

You then ask for a link.

Ok. I take it back. You are a terrible backpedaler.

link?

Do you know what the word "generally" means??

[JoltinJoe]

The church started by some king wanted to off his former wives, and the pope wouldn't approve of it?

Oh, yea, let me dump the Church formed by Christ and sign up for that.

"All generations to come shall call me blessed."

And this equates to people praying to her, calling her their hope and life, making a goddess out of her, once a year each priest "consecrating" a statue of Mary with incense............seriously!!!

You and I won't ever get anywhere bantering but man oh man, can you spin "tradition" that takes glory away from Christ and give it to others.

Cool, you belong to Henry VIII. Own it.