THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE

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NEW YEARS EVE MARATHON

FOX Sports 1 is slated to televise over 100 Big East men’s regular-season basketball games this coming season. The non-conference schedule begins Friday, Nov. 8, the likely date of the first Johnson-Raftery assignment. The Big East Conference schedule begins with a five-game, all-teams-featured New Year’s Eve marathon on Dec. 31:
St. John’s at Xavier, noon ET;
Seton Hall at Providence, 2:30 p.m. ET;
DePaul at Georgetown, 5 p.m. ET;
Villanova at Butler, 7:30 p.m. ET;
Marquette at Creighton, 10 p.m. ET).

The Big East Men’s Basketball Tournament runs March 12-15, live from Madison Square Garden in New York City, the tournament’s home since 1983. It is the longest-running conference tournament played at one venue.


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[vutomcat]

While the Big East may no longer be the best conference it is clearly one of the top ones. See these stats.

For the record, since Kenpom and Sports-Reference SRS both agreed, I used the B1G, B12, BE, ACC, P12 and SEC as the Top 6. These are obviously the conferences vs. all the other(Top 6) conferences combined, I'll try and boil it down to conf. vs. conf later

B1G; 26-24...Most Games MSU(4-1), Wisconsin(5-0), Michigan(3-2), Purdue(2-3) and Northwestern(0-5). Best record, Wisconsin(5-0) and Ohio State(3-0). Worst record, Northwestern(0-5)

B12; 25-17...Most Games, Oklahoma State(6-1). Best record, Iowa State(3-0) and TCU(2-0). Worst record, Texas Tech(0-5) and West Virginia(0-4).

BE; 20-19...Most Games, Xavier(4-3). Best record, Creighton(3-0). Worst record, Marquette(0-3)

ACC; 27-31...Most Games, Syracuse(6-0). Best record, Syracuse(6-0) and Pittsburgh(3-0). Worst record, Florida State(0-3) and Virginia(0-2).

P12; 20-18...Most Games, Arizona State(3-2). Best record, Arizona(3-0) and Oregon(3-0). Worst record, Washington(0-3).

SEC; 19-28...Most Games, Tennessee(3-2) and Alabama(1-4). Best record, LSU(2-0). Worst record, Georgia(0-3), South Carolina(0-3), Texas A&M(0-1) and Mississippi State(0-1).

[vutomcat]

The Big East is 4-3 against the ACC.

Xavier beat Wake Forest
St. John's beat GT
Seton Hall beat VT
Providence beat BC

and - St John's had the Cuse beat and let them up off the canvas. The Big East will be fine this year.

[Seahawks08]

First, Doug McDermott is clearly the player of the year so far. Creighton may get to the sweet 16 with him single-handily winning games.

Second, Depaul just won 2 games in a row. In other words, hell just froze over.

[clenz]

First, Doug McDermott is clearly the player of the year so far. Creighton may get to the sweet 16 with him single-handily winning games.

Second, Depaul just won 2 games in a row. In other words, hell just froze over.

Creighton...in the sweet 16?



Holy shit - funniest thing ever said. Do dine research on them....they are the ultimate definition of tournament bust outs

[Seahawks08]

Creighton...in the sweet 16?



Holy **** - funniest thing ever said. Do dine research on them....they are the ultimate definition of tournament bust outs

There's a reason why I only said to the sweet 16. Their D may be bad, but their O is phenomenal (adj O on kenpom is #1 in the nation). And as of now, they are ranked 6th at Kenpom. Therefore, I can see them getting a 4 or 5 seed and winning 2 games in the tournament.

[clenz]

Creighton...in the sweet 16?



Holy **** - funniest thing ever said. Do dine research on them....they are the ultimate definition of tournament bust outs

There's a reason why I only said to the sweet 16. Their D may be bad, but their O is phenomenal (adj O on kenpom is #1 in the nation). And as of now, they are ranked 6th at Kenpom. Therefore, I can see them getting a 4 or 5 seed and winning 2 games in the tournament.

seriously...go look at their history in the tournament....seriously.

Let me know when their last s16 appearance was. They play a style that always has them highly ranked in offense. I've watched them closely for years...I mean years...since they were in the MVC. Most over hyped program in the country

[clenz]

Also, they have no depth. Greg McDermott teams have a long history of collapsing at the end of the season because of the way he coaches. He coached at UNI, I know first hand.

CU had no depth. They have 5 guys averaging 26 minutes are more and only 2 more over 14. McDermott has a losing record in Feb and March because of this. His teams can't play games that close together because by the time late Feb rolls around he is down to a 6 or 7 man only, rotation with 5 guys at 30 mpg during that stretch.

Last year's Creighton team was better than this one....and they've lost their biggest /only defensive threat

[vutomcat]

Also, they have no depth. Greg McDermott teams have a long history of collapsing at the end of the season because of the way he coaches. He coached at UNI, I know first hand.

CU had no depth. They have 5 guys averaging 26 minutes are more and only 2 more over 14. McDermott has a losing record in Feb and March because of this. His teams can't play games that close together because by the time late Feb rolls around he is down to a 6 or 7 man only, rotation with 5 guys at 30 mpg during that stretch.

Last year's Creighton team was better than this one....and they've lost their biggest /only defensive threat

I know from my own recollection it has probably been decades since Creighton made a deep run but did you watch the game last night? They looked like a serious contender. Butler is no joke and they ran them out of the gym. So much for McDermott's shoulder being an issue. At this point in the season he is the clear leader for player of the year.

As for last year, they did win a game in the NCAA tourney and lost to a Duke team that made a deep run and was a quality team. No choke there. They won their conference tournament in March as well. This may be a different Creighton than we are used to .

[clenz]

Dude...I know way more about Creighton right now than you can dream...they were a conference mate of UNI for the last 23 years...

They will win 1 game then lose. It's what they do.

If you dint want to listen to someone who has seen a dozen plus CU games per year the last decade or so...then so be it

[vutomcat]

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quote="clenz"]Dude...I know way more about Creighton right now than you can dream...they were a conference mate of UNI for the last 23 years...

They will win 1 game then lose. It's what they do.

If you dint want to listen to someone who has seen a dozen plus CU games per year the last decade or so...then so be it[/quote

Not doubting your experience with Creighton and I hear you. Just voicing my observations of this year's team. Losing year after year early in the tournament does get to be a habit with a lot of programs. Maybe playing a better schedule will toughen them up?

[clenz]

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quote="clenz"]Dude...I know way more about Creighton right now than you can dream...they were a conference mate of UNI for the last 23 years...

They will win 1 game then lose. It's what they do.

If you dint want to listen to someone who has seen a dozen plus CU games per year the last decade or so...then so be it[/quote

Not doubting your experience with Creighton and I hear you. Just voicing my observations of this year's team. Losing year after year early in the tournament does get to be a habit with a lot of programs. Maybe playing a better schedule will toughen them up?

no, you clearly haven't read a single word I've posted.

They fall because they have no froth and suck shut on defense. The go only 7 deep with 5 over 26 mpg and only 2 others over 14. They rely completely on Doug and then the 3 ball....when you have that many miles by the end if the season the legs agent there for the threes, the bad defense gets worse, and there is very little experience on the back side to step in and contribute.

It happens every single year to McD coached teams...including his UNI teams. I've watched it for over a decade at this point. He has a sub '500 record after January...I'll pull the numbers to prove it.

Not just that, but this year is their last chance to get there when looking at them objectively.

I pulled the numbers on them elsewhere over the weekend...They are fucked after this year and completely fucked after next

[clenz]

Here we go...This is from a 1/13 and before any games this week.

Creighton has 4 players that play at least 26 minutes a game (1,666 of the 3000 minutes played so far this season).

After this year they lose
128 of their 170 3 points makes (75%)
60% of their 2 point makes...BTW interesting stat - Wragge has 58 makes this year...56 from 3. Only taken 6 2 pointers all season
61% of their total FG attempted
59% of their free throw makes
52% of all free throw attempts
64% of their rebounds
51% of their assists
40% of their blocked shots
57% of their steals
63% of their total points (50.1 of their 81.5 per game)

Basically they lose the top 3/4 of 5 in every category...

They lose almost 100% of this years stats after next year with the losses of Artino, Brooks, Chatman, and Dingman. Even out of those 4 only Brooks and Chattman are over 16 MPG.

Creighton is going to hit the typical late season Mc$ slump with 5 players averaging 26+ MPG and only 1 more over 15....especially with their trips taking them to twice as far as they were used too.


The numbers will "skew" for what they lose because Gibbs is out for a couple weeks...but that is only going to hurt them come February because McDermott isn't going to give those minutes to a deeper bench - he is going to pile them on Wragge, Dingman, Brooks, and Chattman.

[clenz]

McDermotts February record since arriving at UNI....

UNI 01-02: 2-6
UNI 02-03: 5-4
UNI 03-04: 6-2
UNI 04-05: 7-2
UNI 05-06: 3-4
Iowa St 06-07: 4-4
Iowa St 07-08: 1-6
Iowa St 08-09: 2-6
Iowa St 09-10: 1-7
CU 10-11: 4-4
CU 11-12: 5-3
CU12-12: 3-4

That totals to 43-52...Yeah....

Like I said...there's a reason I don't expect them to do jack shit after January

[clenz]

Only once has Creighton won more than 1 game in the NCAA tournament....1974

In 18 NCAA appearances they are 11-19....with 6 of those wins prior to the calendar hit 1975.

2013 1-1
2012 1-1
2007 0-1
2005 0-1
2003 0-1
2002 1-1
2001 0-1
2000 0-1
1999 1-1
1991 1-1
1989 0-1
1981 0-1
1978 0-1
1975 0-1
1974 2-1
1964 1-2
1962 2-1
1941 1-1

[Seahawks08]

Looking over Creighton's seeds since 1999, their highest was a 6 seed. If they can manage to get the 4 or 5 seed, I give them an excellent shot at going to the sweet 16. But that also includes not imploding in February. We shall see.

[vutomcat]

DePaul no competition. On to Monday at Wells Fargo with 19,000 screaming Nova fans. A win and we could move to #4!!!

[clenz]

Creighton starting the implosion steely this year?

Down 17 to providence with 10 min left I the second half

[Seahawks08]

Creighton starting the implosion steely this year?

Yeah looks like their implosion includes never missing a 3 pointer. Jesus christ.

[vutomcat]

I was unfortunate enough to be at the Wells Fargo Center last night. I have never seen shooting like that. This is not your typical Creighton team. Nova is a formidable opponent and the Blue Jays just shot them out of the building. WOW!

[clenz]

Creighton starting the implosion steely this year?

Yeah looks like their implosion includes never missing a 3 pointer. Jesus christ.

that's not going to happen every game....

[bluehenbillk]

Hard to say I've ever seen a college hoops team play to 2 extremes in 48 hours like Creighton did vs Providence Saturday night & then vs Nova last night.

[vutomcat]

Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. Forget about previous years. This Creighton team is a real threat. Not making light of your experience Clenz. I just think you are slow to realize how good they are because of prior years. If nothing lease they proved they can beat anyone when they are on.

[clenz]

Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. Forget about previous years. This Creighton team is a real threat. Not making light of your experience Clenz. I just think you are slow to realize how good they are because of prior years. If nothing lease they proved they can beat anyone when they are on.

Anyone can beat anyone when you make 21 3 points...

Fuck, NJIT would have a punchers chance against Syracuse hitting 21 3s.

Am I saying it is impossible to for CU to make it to the S16, or further? No.

What I am saying is that CU is REALLY GOOD at smoke and mirrors during the regular season and then, because they don't have any depth...ever...they fall at the end of the year.

What happens if/when they don't hit that many threes...confidence falls a tad, tired legs, etc...

Conference tournament where they play 3 or 4 games in 3 or 4 days...they get into the NCAA tournament where they play 2 out of 3 days of high intensity basketball? They aren't built for that..Greg McDermott teams have NEVER been built for that. They are great during the season when you get 4-5 days rest between games. It's not a "huge deal" when you only go 6-7 deep on a regular basis but you only play twice per week. Why do you think CU does nothing in practice? Well, not nothing but they have probably the lightest practices in CBB. I remember last season there was a practice watch on CU because for about a 2 or 3 week stretch at the end of the season McDermott, Gibbs, Etchenique, Chattman, Wragge, Manigat, and Artino didn't practice at all outside of just shooting. Why was that? Because that was 95% of their minutes played per game right there and they couldn't afford to be working any harder in practice and still play a game.

Now, maybe McDermott has completely changed coaching styles after 15ish years of being a HC...doubtful.
Maybe he is playing his players less MPG...not actually happening

Don't believe me if you dont want too, and I'll eat crow if CU finally gets to as many Sweet 16s at UNI and Southern Illinois...Until then please continue to fall into their smoke and mirrors. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me...fool me every single year with McDermotts sub .500 Feb/March record...not fucking happening.