Conservative Dog Whistle.

[93henfan]

Knee grows are hilarious.

[CAA Flagship]

Not only are you a Nerd, but a slave as well. Working for another man, making him rich.
Now who's the fool

Whaaaaaa?????

The "man" is the one that is taking all the risk. There is no shame for not wanting to take risk. With risk, comes either reward or failure. And the reward can vary drastically from being worse than working for another man, to much, much better than working for another man. Everyone has different life situations that allow different risk tolerances. Labeling employees slaves is reckless.

[Grizalltheway]

NERRRRRRRRRD

[Chizzang]

Not only are you a Nerd, but a slave as well. Working for another man, making him rich.
Now who's the fool

Whaaaaaa?????

The "man" is the one that is taking all the risk. There is no shame for not wanting to take risk. With risk, comes either reward or failure. And the reward can vary drastically from being worse than working for another man, to much, much better than working for another man. Everyone has different life situations that allow different risk tolerances. Labeling employees slaves is reckless.

Risk...?
In some cases - sure - risk
In most cases, like over 98.5% of the wealthy in America - it is inherited wealth - born rich
So the risk is only making the family sad that Junior burned up some of the family fortune and lost $20 million
(or whatever)

The real American story is vastly different than the urban legend
But - sure - yes you can go from poor to a billionaire in America
About 2 in every 350 million Americans do

But wealth (real wealth) is handed down
and pretty much always has been
so when we're talking about RISK lets keep that in perspective

[Baldy]

Whaaaaaa?????

The "man" is the one that is taking all the risk. There is no shame for not wanting to take risk. With risk, comes either reward or failure. And the reward can vary drastically from being worse than working for another man, to much, much better than working for another man. Everyone has different life situations that allow different risk tolerances. Labeling employees slaves is reckless.

Risk...?
In some cases - sure - risk
In most cases, like over 98.5% of the wealthy in America - it is inherited wealth - born rich
So the risk is only making the family sad that Junior burned up some of the family fortune and lost $20 million
(or whatever)

The real American story is vastly different than the urban legend
But - sure - yes you can go from poor to a billionaire in America
About 2 in every 350 million Americans do

But wealth (real wealth) is handed down
and pretty much always has been
so when we're talking about RISK lets keep that in perspective

Speaking of dog whistles....98.5%????

My God, Cleets, you have never been more wrong.

More millionaires than Australians

How did these people grow rich? Mostly through their own efforts. Only 16% of high-net-worth individuals inherited their stash, according to Capgemini. The most common way to get rich is to start a business: nearly half (47%) of the world's wealthy people are entrepreneurs.

Put down your torch and pitchfork. I'm just stating the facts. Facts that I thought were common knowledge for most intelligent people. Please don't tell me you actually believe that most high net worth individuals inherited their fortunes. Please tell me your above quoted post was nothing more that a troll...

[kalm]

Risk...?
In some cases - sure - risk
In most cases, like over 98.5% of the wealthy in America - it is inherited wealth - born rich
So the risk is only making the family sad that Junior burned up some of the family fortune and lost $20 million
(or whatever)

The real American story is vastly different than the urban legend
But - sure - yes you can go from poor to a billionaire in America
About 2 in every 350 million Americans do

But wealth (real wealth) is handed down
and pretty much always has been
so when we're talking about RISK lets keep that in perspective

Speaking of dog whistles....98.5%????

My God, Cleets, you have never been more wrong.

More millionaires than Australians

How did these people grow rich? Mostly through their own efforts. Only 16% of high-net-worth individuals inherited their stash, according to Capgemini. The most common way to get rich is to start a business: nearly half (47%) of the world's wealthy people are entrepreneurs.

Put down your torch and pitchfork. I'm just stating the facts. Facts that I thought were common knowledge for most intelligent people. Please don't tell me you actually believe that most high net worth individuals inherited their fortunes. Please tell me your above quoted post was nothing more that a troll...

Depends how you define "high net worth", how you define "inherited", whether you include things advantages elite prep school and college education, and whether you're talking about the entire world as in the case of your study, or just America.

[Baldy]

Speaking of dog whistles....98.5%????

My God, Cleets, you have never been more wrong.

More millionaires than Australians


Put down your torch and pitchfork. I'm just stating the facts. Facts that I thought were common knowledge for most intelligent people. Please don't tell me you actually believe that most high net worth individuals inherited their fortunes. Please tell me your above quoted post was nothing more that a troll...

Depends how you define "high net worth", how you define "inherited", whether you include things advantages elite prep school and college education, and whether you're talking about the entire world as in the case of your study, or just America.

If you put in enough qualifiers and split enough hairs, you will be able to massage the numbers any way you wish (nothing close to what Cleets concocted), BUT as in the study conducted, we're talking about millionaires. In the hard data, the US closely mirrors the 16% from the study in The Economist. To further cement the fact, 80% of millionaires in the US are first generation millionaires, and 1/3 of those are either 1st generation Americans or were born in a foreign country.

I'm sure some of those 1st Gen millionaires could have gone to an elite prep school and/or college, but common sense should tell you that the vast majority of them didn't.

[kalm]

Depends how you define "high net worth", how you define "inherited", whether you include things advantages elite prep school and college education, and whether you're talking about the entire world as in the case of your study, or just America.

If you put in enough qualifiers and split enough hairs, you will be able to massage the numbers any way you wish (nothing close to what Cleets concocted), BUT as in the study conducted, we're talking about millionaires. In the hard data, the US closely mirrors the 16% from the study in The Economist. To further cement the fact, 80% of millionaires in the US are first generation millionaires, and 1/3 of those are either 1st generation Americans or were born in a foreign country.

I'm sure some of those 1st Gen millionaires could have gone to an elite prep school and/or college, but common sense should tell you that the vast majority of them didn't.

Cash millionaires, or total asset millionaires? I know people who are total asset millionaires on teacher's incomes. A million dollars ain't what it used to be.

The number Cleets pulled out of his ass would only apply if we're talking massive wealth. And while there are many self made entrepreneurs, the bootstraps/Daniel Boone complex of success is a teeny bit overblown. Christ, just the very fact you live in America with all of its socialist infrastructure, financial aid, and technology gives you a tremendous leg up.

[CID1990]

Christ, just the very fact you live in America with all of its socialist infrastructure, financial aid, and technology gives you a tremendous leg up.

Yeah you didn't build that.

It's a wonder American entrepreneurs prior to WWII ever got themselves out of the gutter without our social utopia. But your'e the equivalent of somebody telling Daniel Boone that he couldn't have done what he did if not for somebody else's ingenuity by inventing the Kentucky rifle. At the end of the day, opportunity and the liberty to take advantage of it have much, much more to do with personal success in America.

[kalm]

Christ, just the very fact you live in America with all of its socialist infrastructure, financial aid, and technology gives you a tremendous leg up.

Yeah you didn't build that.

It's a wonder American entrepreneurs prior to WWII ever got themselves out of the gutter without our social utopia. But your'e the equivalent of somebody telling Daniel Boone that he couldn't have done what he did if not for somebody else's ingenuity by inventing the Kentucky rifle. At the end of the day, opportunity and the liberty to take advantage of it have much, much more to do with personal success in America.

Yes, Mitt. Equality of opportunity.

[mrklean]

Christ, just the very fact you live in America with all of its socialist infrastructure, financial aid, and technology gives you a tremendous leg up.

Yeah you didn't build that.

It's a wonder American entrepreneurs prior to WWII ever got themselves out of the gutter without our social utopia. But your'e the equivalent of somebody telling Daniel Boone that he couldn't have done what he did if not for somebody else's ingenuity by inventing the Kentucky rifle. At the end of the day, opportunity and the liberty to take advantage of it have much, much more to do with personal success in America.

That was a different day. Daniel Boone did not have to deal with Walmart or Costco driviing the prices down.

[Baldy]

If you put in enough qualifiers and split enough hairs, you will be able to massage the numbers any way you wish (nothing close to what Cleets concocted), BUT as in the study conducted, we're talking about millionaires. In the hard data, the US closely mirrors the 16% from the study in The Economist. To further cement the fact, 80% of millionaires in the US are first generation millionaires, and 1/3 of those are either 1st generation Americans or were born in a foreign country.

I'm sure some of those 1st Gen millionaires could have gone to an elite prep school and/or college, but common sense should tell you that the vast majority of them didn't.

Cash millionaires, or total asset millionaires? I know people who are total asset millionaires on teacher's incomes. A million dollars ain't what it used to be.

The number Cleets pulled out of his ass would only apply if we're talking massive wealth. And while there are many self made entrepreneurs, the bootstraps/Daniel Boone complex of success is a teeny bit overblown. Christ, just the very fact you live in America with all of its socialist infrastructure, financial aid, and technology gives you a tremendous leg up.

Fine...massive wealth. Billionaire$

According to Forbes, 21% of the billionaires on it's annual list inherited their money. 18.5% of the billionaires inherited one million dollars or more and grew it into their billion. The rest, 60.5%, started from nothing or virtually nothing and made their fortunes. Still nowhere close the the overly exaggerated 98.5% that the "share the wealth" progressives love to spew.

You are correct about one thing... the socialist infrastructure made all the difference. Just look at the huge number of millionaires and billionaires the Soviet Union, Red China, Cuba, and North Korea have churned out over the last 75 years.

[AZGrizFan]

If you put in enough qualifiers and split enough hairs, you will be able to massage the numbers any way you wish (nothing close to what Cleets concocted), BUT as in the study conducted, we're talking about millionaires. In the hard data, the US closely mirrors the 16% from the study in The Economist. To further cement the fact, 80% of millionaires in the US are first generation millionaires, and 1/3 of those are either 1st generation Americans or were born in a foreign country.

I'm sure some of those 1st Gen millionaires could have gone to an elite prep school and/or college, but common sense should tell you that the vast majority of them didn't.

Cash millionaires, or total asset millionaires? I know people who are total asset millionaires on teacher's incomes. A million dollars ain't what it used to be.

The number Cleets pulled out of his ass would only apply if we're talking massive wealth. And while there are many self made entrepreneurs, the bootstraps/Daniel Boone complex of success is a teeny bit overblown. Christ, just the very fact you live in America with all of its socialist infrastructure, financial aid, and technology gives you a tremendous leg up.

You know, instead of sounding like a retard with posts like this, it would be easier for you to just make up your statistics like chizz does, and sound like a retard THAT way. Much easier.

[Chizzang]

Speaking of dog whistles....98.5%????

My God, Cleets, you have never been more wrong.

More millionaires than Australians


Put down your torch and pitchfork. I'm just stating the facts. Facts that I thought were common knowledge for most intelligent people. Please don't tell me you actually believe that most high net worth individuals inherited their fortunes. Please tell me your above quoted post was nothing more that a troll...

Depends how you define "high net worth", how you define "inherited", whether you include things advantages elite prep school and college education, and whether you're talking about the entire world as in the case of your study, or just America.

I'm not talking about Microsoft Millionaires
$250,000 annual salary $650,000 home value and $500,000 in investments
There are a metric sh!tload of them all over America and they indeed are SELF-MADE
and I respect the shit out of them

Don't even try to argue with Baldy... or make a point
There is a HUGE gap in information sharing on the wealthy Americans and how they got wealthy
Baldy has continually exhibited his fear that anybody think he didn't earn HIS money
apparently the idea is terrifying

Every ultra-rich American wants (needs) everybody else to believe that the money was earned by hard work
it's a natural tendency here - apparently we don't respect anything else
In England for example it's okay to be born into wealth - it's not necessarily held against you

In America we define people largely by their work ethic and ability to climb
So being born with a few million hidden away for you later has become an ART FORM

They even tried to spin Mitt Romney as a self made millionaire
There was an actual team hired to re-write his financial history - much effort was made to conceal
and flat out dis-inform the American public

I'm talking about the REAL wealth
and most of it is well hidden from prying eyes

[AZGrizFan]

Depends how you define "high net worth", how you define "inherited", whether you include things advantages elite prep school and college education, and whether you're talking about the entire world as in the case of your study, or just America.

I'm not talking about Microsoft Millionaires
$250,000 annual salary $650,000 home value and $500,000 in investments
There are a metric sh!tload of them all over America and they indeed are SELF-MADE
and I respect the shit out of them

Don't even try to argue with Baldy... or make a point
There is a HUGE gap in information sharing on the wealthy Americans and how they got wealthy
Baldy has continually exhibited his fear that anybody think he didn't earn HIS money
apparently the idea is terrifying

Every ultra-rich American wants (needs) everybody else to believe that the money was earned by hard work
it's a natural tendency here - apparently we don't respect anything else
In England for example it's okay to be born into wealth - it's not necessarily held against you

In America we define people largely by their work ethic and ability to climb
So being born with a few million hidden away for you later has become an ART FORM

They even tried to spin Mitt Romney as a self made millionaire
There was an actual team hired to re-write his financial history - much effort was made to conceal
and flat out dis-inform the American public

I'm talking about the REAL wealth
and most of it is well hidden from prying eyes

You answered your own question, chizz. In America, donks have made it a BAD thing to be born into wealth...the wealthy have become the devil. People don't want to know HOW they did it, they just want their "fair share" of it. Without doing any of the work, no matter who that work was ultimately done by.

[Cap'n Cat]

I'm not talking about Microsoft Millionaires
$250,000 annual salary $650,000 home value and $500,000 in investments
There are a metric sh!tload of them all over America and they indeed are SELF-MADE
and I respect the shit out of them

Don't even try to argue with Baldy... or make a point
There is a HUGE gap in information sharing on the wealthy Americans and how they got wealthy
Baldy has continually exhibited his fear that anybody think he didn't earn HIS money
apparently the idea is terrifying

Every ultra-rich American wants (needs) everybody else to believe that the money was earned by hard work
it's a natural tendency here - apparently we don't respect anything else
In England for example it's okay to be born into wealth - it's not necessarily held against you

In America we define people largely by their work ethic and ability to climb
So being born with a few million hidden away for you later has become an ART FORM

They even tried to spin Mitt Romney as a self made millionaire
There was an actual team hired to re-write his financial history - much effort was made to conceal
and flat out dis-inform the American public

I'm talking about the REAL wealth
and most of it is well hidden from prying eyes

You answered your own question, chizz. In America, donks have made it a BAD thing to be born into wealth...the wealthy have become the devil. People don't want to know HOW they did it, they just want their "fair share" of it. Without doing any of the work, no matter who that work was ultimately done by.

Look! Up in the sky!! It's Generalization Boy!!

[YoUDeeMan]

I'm not talking about Microsoft Millionaires
$250,000 annual salary $650,000 home value and $500,000 in investments
There are a metric sh!tload of them all over America and they indeed are SELF-MADE
and I respect the shit out of them

Don't even try to argue with Baldy... or make a point
There is a HUGE gap in information sharing on the wealthy Americans and how they got wealthy
Baldy has continually exhibited his fear that anybody think he didn't earn HIS money
apparently the idea is terrifying

Every ultra-rich American wants (needs) everybody else to believe that the money was earned by hard work
it's a natural tendency here - apparently we don't respect anything else
In England for example it's okay to be born into wealth - it's not necessarily held against you

In America we define people largely by their work ethic and ability to climb
So being born with a few million hidden away for you later has become an ART FORM

They even tried to spin Mitt Romney as a self made millionaire
There was an actual team hired to re-write his financial history - much effort was made to conceal
and flat out dis-inform the American public

I'm talking about the REAL wealth
and most of it is well hidden from prying eyes

C'mon, Chizzy...it isn't the wealthy in the U.S. that are whacked about their money...the problem is that the American masses want to take wealthy American's money away.

Think about it...Americans, especially UNHWildkitty & Co., absolutely LOVE the Royal Family. Price so-and-so gets married? Awwwwwwwwwwwwww...what a great story. Prince so-and-so is flying in a helicopter? Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...what a great story. A boatload of people in America eat that sh!t up (how many times is the Royal Family splashed all over the papers, magazines, TV "entertainment" shows, news broadcasts, and internet "news" sites)? That beloved family, however, got their money from absolutely crushing the average Joe (or whatever the average Brit is called) for centuries. Now, due to nothing they've ever done themselves, anyone in that family, and quite an extended family, gets to live a life of inherited unimaginable luxury...and most folks in America think it is a great story.

Contrast that to the wealthy Americans, who are often viewed, by those same Royal-Family-loving American observers, as selfish, greedy, "lucky" folks who have done nothing to deserve their position in life and who should be taxed at a rate that would strip them of most of their family's inheritance (because no one deserves such a head start - it simply isn't FAIR ).

Cripes, we don't have a majority of people thinking that people are defined by their work ethic...FAR from it.

Instead, we have large groups of people that want to tax the crap out of the rich because of some idea that they don't "deserve" "that" much money for whatever work they do, while, ironically, believing that the poorer people "deserve" some of other people's money for doing...well, what, exactly?

And BTW, who on this planet shows their real wealth? The Saudis? The Russians? The Turks? The Jews? Anyone? Bueller?

Seriously, who in God's name actually goes around and says, "I've got a sh!tload of money and I want everyone, and every government official, to know exactly how much I have!"

We have a neighbor, a staunch Lib who wants the rich to pay their "fair share" of taxes, who rent out their finished basement and have never reported that income, nor the couple thousand they make every year from their dumpster diving sales. They paid their fellow Eastern European immigrant contractors cash so those contractors could avoid taxes (in exchange for a lower price - hey, everyone wins when Uncle Sam isn't in the know), and yet the babble on about how Republicans are the bad people trying to avoid taxes.

Chizzy, there is a huge double standard in this country regarding how the rich are portrayed.

[Baldy]

Depends how you define "high net worth", how you define "inherited", whether you include things advantages elite prep school and college education, and whether you're talking about the entire world as in the case of your study, or just America.

I'm not talking about Microsoft Millionaires
$250,000 annual salary $650,000 home value and $500,000 in investments
There are a metric sh!tload of them all over America and they indeed are SELF-MADE
and I respect the shit out of them

Don't even try to argue with Baldy... or make a point
There is a HUGE gap in information sharing on the wealthy Americans and how they got wealthy
Baldy has continually exhibited his fear that anybody think he didn't earn HIS money
apparently the idea is terrifying

Every ultra-rich American wants (needs) everybody else to believe that the money was earned by hard work
it's a natural tendency here - apparently we don't respect anything else
In England for example it's okay to be born into wealth - it's not necessarily held against you

In America we define people largely by their work ethic and ability to climb
So being born with a few million hidden away for you later has become an ART FORM

They even tried to spin Mitt Romney as a self made millionaire
There was an actual team hired to re-write his financial history - much effort was made to conceal
and flat out dis-inform the American public

I'm talking about the REAL wealth
and most of it is well hidden from prying eyes

That was either the biggest load of horse shit or the most elaborate back pedal I've ever seen on this board.

[kalm]

Gratitude is such a more honest and healthy quality than scorn.

[LeadBolt]

Gratitude is such a more honest and healthy quality than scorn.

Gratitude is also a more healthy quality than envy.

[CAA Flagship]

I'm not talking about Microsoft Millionaires
$250,000 annual salary $650,000 home value and $500,000 in investments
There are a metric sh!tload of them all over America and they indeed are SELF-MADE
and I respect the shit out of them

Don't even try to argue with Baldy... or make a point
There is a HUGE gap in information sharing on the wealthy Americans and how they got wealthy
Baldy has continually exhibited his fear that anybody think he didn't earn HIS money
apparently the idea is terrifying

Every ultra-rich American wants (needs) everybody else to believe that the money was earned by hard work
it's a natural tendency here - apparently we don't respect anything else
In England for example it's okay to be born into wealth - it's not necessarily held against you

In America we define people largely by their work ethic and ability to climb
So being born with a few million hidden away for you later has become an ART FORM

They even tried to spin Mitt Romney as a self made millionaire
There was an actual team hired to re-write his financial history - much effort was made to conceal
and flat out dis-inform the American public

I'm talking about the REAL wealth
and most of it is well hidden from prying eyes

C'mon, Chizzy...it isn't the wealthy in the U.S. that are whacked about their money...the problem is that the American masses want to take wealthy American's money away.

Think about it...Americans, especially UNHWildkitty & Co., absolutely LOVE the Royal Family. Price so-and-so gets married? Awwwwwwwwwwwwww...what a great story. Prince so-and-so is flying in a helicopter? Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...what a great story. A boatload of people in America eat that sh!t up (how many times is the Royal Family splashed all over the papers, magazines, TV "entertainment" shows, news broadcasts, and internet "news" sites)? That beloved family, however, got their money from absolutely crushing the average Joe (or whatever the average Brit is called) for centuries. Now, due to nothing they've ever done themselves, anyone in that family, and quite an extended family, gets to live a life of inherited unimaginable luxury...and most folks in America think it is a great story.

Contrast that to the wealthy Americans, who are often viewed, by those same Royal-Family-loving American observers, as selfish, greedy, "lucky" folks who have done nothing to deserve their position in life and who should be taxed at a rate that would strip them of most of their family's inheritance (because no one deserves such a head start - it simply isn't FAIR ).

Cripes, we don't have a majority of people thinking that people are defined by their work ethic...FAR from it.

Instead, we have large groups of people that want to tax the crap out of the rich because of some idea that they don't "deserve" "that" much money for whatever work they do, while, ironically, believing that the poorer people "deserve" some of other people's money for doing...well, what, exactly?

And BTW, who on this planet shows their real wealth? The Saudis? The Russians? The Turks? The Jews? Anyone? Bueller?

Seriously, who in God's name actually goes around and says, "I've got a sh!tload of money and I want everyone, and every government official, to know exactly how much I have!"

We have a neighbor, a staunch Lib who wants the rich to pay their "fair share" of taxes, who rent out their finished basement and have never reported that income, nor the couple thousand they make every year from their dumpster diving sales. They paid their fellow Eastern European immigrant contractors cash so those contractors could avoid taxes (in exchange for a lower price - hey, everyone wins when Uncle Sam isn't in the know), and yet the babble on about how Republicans are the bad people trying to avoid taxes.

Chizzy, there is a huge double standard in this country regarding how the rich are portrayed.

Allow me to put on liberal panties for one interjection. While I agree with you here Cluck, there is one point that many Americans have trouble understanding. That is the big bonuses and extremely high salaries of executives of companies that ended up needing a public bailout. While those monies were paid out PRIOR to the bailout, it looks like shit nonetheless. They got to keep that "earned" money that ultimately was for poor work as they mismanaged and over-risked their business.

[89Hen]

Breeding pit bulls should be illegal. No need for that breed to continue. This is coming from a dog lover.


Wait, what thread is this?

[kalm]

Gratitude is such a more honest and healthy quality than scorn.

Gratitude is also a more healthy quality than envy.

Envy is good. It motivates.

[Chizzang]

That was either the biggest load of horse shit or the most elaborate back pedal I've ever seen on this board.

My point that I was addressing from the original post I responded to was "risk" and how the wealthy have more risk so they get more reward... and I was responding to THAT POINT - I was stating first lets define what RISK actually is to a kid who grew up with 50 million in a trust fund...

I've got nothing against the American Wealthy
in fact I just made points in my posts ^ here that AZ and Clucky jumped all over
and rode them like they owned 'em they loved 'em so much

It's considered shameful to be born rich in America

But first lets define "risk" from the previous post
and lets define rich - I don't consider a big salary and a 5 thousand square foot home rich
and most of those guys are ABSOLUTELY self made

It's the ELITE Wealthy (Family Wealth)
Now lets talk about rich & risk

[AZGrizFan]

That was either the biggest load of horse shit or the most elaborate back pedal I've ever seen on this board.

My point that I was addressing from the original post I responded to was "risk" and how the wealthy have more risk so they get more reward... and I was responding to THAT POINT - I was stating first lets define what RISK actually is to a kid who grew up with 50 million in a trust fund...

I've got nothing against the American Wealthy
in fact I just made points in my posts ^ here that AZ and Clucky jumped all over
and rode them like they owned 'em they loved 'em so much

It's considered shameful to be born rich in America

But first lets define "risk" from the previous post
and lets define rich - I don't consider a big salary and a 5 thousand square foot home rich
and most of those guys are ABSOLUTELY self made

It's the ELITE Wealthy (Family Wealth)
Now lets talk about rich & risk

Your misguided belief that that vast (98%, I believe) majority of the ELITE wealthy aren't self made had already been disproven.