Senate donks vote to cut military pensions

[AZGrizFan]

Well, we all know legislation NEVER does what it's designed to do.

But GREED acts the same way every time
He makes a hugely generalized statement - but - at it's core it is correct

The only thing worse than no security is the illusion of security. All the "legislation" in the world won't stop the backroom shady deals that have become the hallmark of D.C. Keep telling yourselves that it's all good with another law though...

[CID1990]

The funny thing is that the Dems know they can get this stuff through right now because the GOP wants to avoid another shutdown (and the blame for it), so the Dens are going to push a lot of this stuff through. The reason they are stupid is they should be pushing for MORE because they have nothing to lose at this point- if there is another shutdown they can deflect away from the slow motion train wreck that is the ACA. In fact, another shutdown is totally in the Dems' interest at this point. It is their only hope to avoid a bloodbath next fall.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

I would argue that "the troops" need to wise-up...
They're dying for Exxon Mobil / Royal Dutch Shell and U.S. Mining Rights and nothing else

The idea that U.S. troops somehow defend our freedom is a tired act
it's all played out boys and you've got to be almost retarded to buy into it - in the bright light of today's world

Hey I'm all for it... Go die in the sand for Exxon Boo Rah
But lets stop pretending it's got anything to do with honor
Can we all just talk like adults here
or do some of us really believe we're saving America and the free world..?

Speak for yourself..........

There is so much wrong with what you have said here, I don't know where to start. You probably have no idea what honor really is so don't use that word like you do. Most of us do it for many reason, personal and patriotic. You do it for the man next to you, you do it because it needs to be done, period. If you don't like the way our military operates, elect a better commander in chief. You HAVE TO SEPARATE the politics from the military and it's mission. Like it our not, we are all responsible for what our dick-head-in-charge-this-week does with our troops and the troops are just doing their job they were assigned. I really thought it was something we learned from Vietnam but it seems many today probably couldn't even point the country out on a map. I just gotta say the pussification of America continues and some people really don't even understand some of the basic fundamental principles of our country anymore.

[BDKJMU]

See, THAT'S the **** problem. Everything is NOT on the table. If it WAS, I wouldn't be saying a word. They choose to keep ridiculous, retarded **** IN, and cut something like THIS while we've got troops fighting and dying on a daily basis out there.

Correct. Everything should be on the table but it isn't. I am sure Repubs said increased taxes isn't on the table and Dems countered with entitlement cuts aren't on the table.

Increased taxes have been on the table the whole year:
-Huge 2013 tax increase with the Jan 1 "Fiscal Cliff" deal.
-Huge tax increases with Obamacare (20 in all), some starting 2010, others 2011, 2012, and the biggest this year.
-Tax increases with this deal. They call them "fee" increases. But fees, taxes, same damn thing.

There was plenty of wasteful dicretionary sh*t that comes out to tens of billions a year that wasn't on the table...

[BDKJMU]

The funny thing is that the Dems know they can get this stuff through right now because the GOP wants to avoid another shutdown (and the blame for it), so the Dens are going to push a lot of this stuff through. The reason they are stupid is they should be pushing for MORE because they have nothing to lose at this point- if there is another shutdown they can deflect away from the slow motion train wreck that is the ACA. In fact, another shutdown is totally in the Dems' interest at this point. It is their only hope to avoid a bloodbath next fall.

The thing is though with the conks folding like they have, again, they have pissed off a lot of their base, who simply will stay home or vote 3rd party. I'm one of those- there is ZERO chance I will vote for my RINO congressman in PA, Pat Meehan. I would support any decent primary challenger. Be it the fiscal cliff, the shutdown, and now this, he has always been on the Republican side thats caved...

There's 2 lines the Republicans should have held: maintaining the so called cuts under sequestration and no raising taxes (fees, same thing). They caved on both.

[Pwns]

I guess we finally found a pension donks like to cut.

Wonder if cuts for DEA and ATF pensions are in play.

[ASUMountaineer]

I guess we finally found a pension donks like to cut.

Wonder if cuts for DEA and ATF pensions are in play.

This.

[ASUMountaineer]

And? I was just curious if any other federal employees having their pensions cut would upset Z so much...

50% of Federal employees should be in a different line of work.

So, the answer is no, it would not upset you. Fire hundreds of thousands of employees, but just don't touch the military.

I have no problem with the idea that 50% of federal employees are unnecessary. However, I do have a problem with double standards.

[Ibanez]

So I guess we should change the thread title to include Conks as well. Thanks Republicans!

Did I say that right?

[YoUDeeMan]

Correct. Everything should be on the table but it isn't. I am sure Repubs said increased taxes isn't on the table and Dems countered with entitlement cuts aren't on the table.

So they raise "fees" and don't call them taxes, and they cut military entitlements while the military is out dying for our "cause".

Nice.

The government doesn't give a sh*t about a single soldier...and each solider is rated as a lower form of human being than any private defense contractor.

No one is dying for a "cause" these days. Our kids are dying for big companies' profits. OBushma is keeping us in Affy in order to give his new found business friends extra money. That is it. There is no big Taliban threat...our own generals have been telling us that for years. We got Osama. There is no huge AQ threat there either. But, there are minerals...and corrupt warlords...lots of them.

If anyone is stupid enough to sign up for the military, then they will get treated as any other disposable employee of a business...except they are deciding to send themselves into danger zones when they volunteer.

[YoUDeeMan]

I would argue that "the troops" need to wise-up...
They're dying for Exxon Mobil / Royal Dutch Shell and U.S. Mining Rights and nothing else

The idea that U.S. troops somehow defend our freedom is a tired act
it's all played out boys and you've got to be almost retarded to buy into it - in the bright light of today's world

Hey I'm all for it... Go die in the sand for Exxon Boo Rah
But lets stop pretending it's got anything to do with honor
Can we all just talk like adults here
or do some of us really believe we're saving America and the free world..?

Exactly.

[YoUDeeMan]

IRS "workers" can't retire at 38.

To your point:
My dad retired from the Military at 42 yrs old (He's 75 now)
Gets $7,200 a month - every month - for the rest of his life

He's the guy who told me a long time ago
Our military should only be stationed here in the U.S.
Elsewhere - all over the globe - the rest of them should be Mercenary Contractors
Highly paid / Heavily Armed / Mercenaries

No U.S. troops abroad unless we're fighting an actual world threat (like Hitler)

Man, you are on a roll!

I'm tempted to read through the next two pages of posts before I respond again, but I've got to get my post count up.

[HI54UNI]

IRS "workers" can't retire at 38.

To your point:
My dad retired from the Military at 42 yrs old (He's 75 now)
Gets $7,200 a month - every month - for the rest of his life

He's the guy who told me a long time ago
Our military should only be stationed here in the U.S.
Elsewhere - all over the globe - the rest of them should be Mercenary Contractors
Highly paid / Heavily Armed / Mercenaries

No U.S. troops abroad unless we're fighting an actual world threat (like Hitler)

I call bullshit.

But I do agree with the rest of your post.

[AZGrizFan]

So they raise "fees" and don't call them taxes, and they cut military entitlements while the military is out dying for our "cause".

Nice.

The government doesn't give a sh*t about a single soldier...and each solider is rated as a lower form of human being than any private defense contractor.

If anyone is stupid enough to sign up for the military, then they will get treated as any other disposable employee of a business...except they are deciding to send themselves into danger zones when they volunteer.

That was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt when the lead story last night on CNN was that Congress had to either a) cut military pensions as they did or b) impact the military industrial complex to the tune of $20 billion.

[Grizalltheway]

To your point:
My dad retired from the Military at 42 yrs old (He's 75 now)
Gets $7,200 a month - every month - for the rest of his life

He's the guy who told me a long time ago
Our military should only be stationed here in the U.S.
Elsewhere - all over the globe - the rest of them should be Mercenary Contractors
Highly paid / Heavily Armed / Mercenaries

No U.S. troops abroad unless we're fighting an actual world threat (like Hitler)

I call bullshit.

But I do agree with the rest of your post.

Why? Cleets' dad was colonel or something like that IIRC, and 20 years is pretty easy to attain by 42.

[HI54UNI]

I call bullshit.

But I do agree with the rest of your post.

Why? Cleets' dad was colonel or something like that IIRC, and 20 years is pretty easy to attain by 42.

Maybe it's true but it seems like a stretch (and Cleets is good at doing that to provoke). If his dad was a colonel I'm sure he gets a good pension but pay in 1980 for a colonel was around $3100 a month. Even with COLAs on the pension I don't see how it can be $7,200 a month. And it definitely hasn't been $7200 a month since he retired.

[Ibanez]

To your point:
My dad retired from the Military at 42 yrs old (He's 75 now)
Gets $7,200 a month - every month - for the rest of his life

He's the guy who told me a long time ago
Our military should only be stationed here in the U.S.
Elsewhere - all over the globe - the rest of them should be Mercenary Contractors
Highly paid / Heavily Armed / Mercenaries

No U.S. troops abroad unless we're fighting an actual world threat (like Hitler)

I call bullshit.

But I do agree with the rest of your post.

I have an in law that retired as a Lt. Col and she makes close to that in retirement. So, Clenz is probably right.

[Ibanez]

The retirement benefit is based on years worked and rank. If the colonel has worked 20 years, then the government would calculate the retirement benefit at 50 percent of their base pay. If the colonel was to retire after 22 years, then there is a multiplier that is used. For every year in service over 20, the colonel receives an additional 2.5 percent. The maximum is 75 percent of their base pay at 30 years. So, at 30 years, the base salary of $10,736.70. Multiply that by 75 percent, and it equals $8,052 per month.

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[HI54UNI]

The retirement benefit is based on years worked and rank. If the colonel has worked 20 years, then the government would calculate the retirement benefit at 50 percent of their base pay. If the colonel was to retire after 22 years, then there is a multiplier that is used. For every year in service over 20, the colonel receives an additional 2.5 percent. The maximum is 75 percent of their base pay at 30 years. So, at 30 years, the base salary of $10,736.70. Multiply that by 75 percent, and it equals $8,052 per month.

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Keep in mind that his dad would have retired from the military in 1980. A colonel's pay in 1980 was $3100 a month. If his dad joined at 18 and retired at 42 that is 24 years of service so he would get 60% of $3100.

[Ibanez]

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Keep in mind that his dad would have retired from the military in 1980. A colonel's pay in 1980 was $3100 a month. If his dad joined at 18 and retired at 42 that is 24 years of service so he would get 60% of $3100.

plus 33 years of COLAs. That adds up.

[SDHornet]

50% of Federal employees should be in a different line of work.

So, the answer is no, it would not upset you. Fire hundreds of thousands of employees, but just don't touch the military.

I have no problem with the idea that 50% of federal employees are unnecessary. However, I do have a problem with double standards.

[HI54UNI]

Keep in mind that his dad would have retired from the military in 1980. A colonel's pay in 1980 was $3100 a month. If his dad joined at 18 and retired at 42 that is 24 years of service so he would get 60% of $3100.

plus 33 years of COLAs. That adds up.

I did that before I called BS. Still only comes up to about $5200 a month.

[Ibanez]

plus 33 years of COLAs. That adds up.

I did that before I called BS. Still only comes up to about $5200 a month.

And you included the multipliers for the 4 years after 20?

[HI54UNI]

I did that before I called BS. Still only comes up to about $5200 a month.

And you included the multipliers for the 4 years after 20?

Yes.

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[Ibanez]

And you included the multipliers for the 4 years after 20?

Yes.

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He must have retired higher than O-6.