A 10-0 and 8-2 team from THEIR OWN SHITTY CONFERENCE. See the difference? They didn't beat NDSU & Towson to get in....
White I have to correct myself and say that they didn't have to beat Fordham to get in they did beat the Rams and Fordham seems to be fairly highly regarded. This site's poll has them at 10 and the Sports Network poll has them at 9. Sagarin's ratings have them at 28 and Massey has them at 20 so maybe not quite as "highly regarded" in power ratings. But still a top 25 team or close to it anyway.
Well, it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that most pollsters are idiots. And being a "top 25" team doesn't imply that they need to be or should be in a playoff. 16 was fine. Is fine. Would be fine. In a perfect world:
Autobids:
Big Sky - EWU
Southern - Samford
Southland - SELA
CAA - Maine
MVC - NDSU
11 at large bids:
Montana
NAU
Towson
Coastal Carolina
SDSU
YSU
EIU
Fordham
McNeese St
Chattanooga
With the last pick being one of these: New Hampshire/San Diego/Tennessee St/Sacred Heart/SC State/SUU/Liberty/Charleston So.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
White I have to correct myself and say that they didn't have to beat Fordham to get in they did beat the Rams and Fordham seems to be fairly highly regarded. This site's poll has them at 10 and the Sports Network poll has them at 9. Sagarin's ratings have them at 28 and Massey has them at 20 so maybe not quite as "highly regarded" in power ratings. But still a top 25 team or close to it anyway.
Well, it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that most pollsters are idiots. And being a "top 25" team doesn't imply that they need to be or should be in a playoff. 16 was fine. Is fine. Would be fine. In a perfect world:
Autobids:
Big Sky - EWU
Southern - Samford
Southland - SELA
CAA - Maine
MVC - NDSU
11 at large bids:
Montana
NAU
Towson
Coastal Carolina
SDSU
YSU
EIU
Fordham
McNeese St
Chattanooga
With the last pick being one of these: New Hampshire/San Diego/Tennessee St/Sacred Heart/SC State/SUU/Liberty/Charleston So.
If YSU couldnt get into a 24 team field how could you justify them being in a 16 team field?
AZGrizFan wrote:
Well, it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that most pollsters are idiots. And being a "top 25" team doesn't imply that they need to be or should be in a playoff. 16 was fine. Is fine. Would be fine. In a perfect world:
Autobids:
Big Sky - EWU
Southern - Samford
Southland - SELA
CAA - Maine
MVC - NDSU
11 at large bids:
Montana
NAU
Towson
Coastal Carolina
SDSU
YSU
EIU
Fordham
McNeese St
Chattanooga
With the last pick being one of these: New Hampshire/San Diego/Tennessee St/Sacred Heart/SC State/SUU/Liberty/Charleston So.
If YSU couldnt get into a 24 team field how could you justify them being in a 16 team field?
16 was fine. Is fine. Would be fine. In a perfect world:
Nope. Not to me. It goes back to that thing about taking opinion out of the matter of teams controlling their own destiny. Establish the criteria for what it takes to be FCS. Establish the criteria for what it takes to be a FCS conference. Then say that if you're the champion of a FCS conference you are in the FCS playoffs.
There are 13 FCS conferences. 11 have opted to participate. The playoff field needs to be big enough to accommodate 11 conference champions plus a reasonable number of at large participants. 16 is simply not big enough to do that.
There are 127 FCS teams. 24/127 = 19% of teams in the playoffs is not an unreasonable proportion. If you look at other playoff systems from high school on through the NFL that is not out of line.
Some examples: Louisiana High School Athletic Association class AAAAA non select has 53 teams. 32 make the playoffs (60%). On the other end of the spectrum the NFL has 32 teams. 12 teams (38%) make the playoffs.
24 is not too many. It's just not.
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16 was fine. Is fine. Would be fine. In a perfect world:
Nope. Not to me. It goes back to that thing about taking opinion out of the matter of teams controlling their own destiny. Establish the criteria for what it takes to be FCS. Establish the criteria for what it takes to be a FCS conference. Then say that if you're the champion of a FCS conference you are in the FCS playoffs.
There are 13 FCS conferences. 11 have opted to participate. The playoff field needs to be big enough to accommodate 11 conference champions plus a reasonable number of at large participants. 16 is simply not big enough to do that.
There are 127 FCS teams. 24/127 = 19% of teams in the playoffs is not an unreasonable proportion. If you look at other playoff systems from high school on through the NFL that is not out of line.
Some examples: Louisiana High School Athletic Association class AAAAA non select has 53 teams. 32 make the playoffs (60%). On the other end of the spectrum the NFL has 32 teams. 12 teams (38%) make the playoffs.
24 is not too many. It's just not.
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16 was fine. Is fine. Would be fine. In a perfect world:
24 is not too many. It's just not.
24 is not enough IMO. Should be 32. Any more than that, you run into serious logistical issues, but I've always been of the mindset that more is better.
24 is not enough IMO. Should be 32. Any more than that, you run into serious logistical issues, but I've always been of the mindset that more is better.
To a point. Like I mentioned the LHSAA playoffs and the separation of select and non select has, in my opinion, resulted in a situation in which too high of a proportion of the teams in certain groups make the playoffs. I mean, they had a winless team make the playoffs this year. That's pretty bad.
But having 19% of the teams in a classification (FCS) make the playoffs is clearly not a case of "too many teams making the playoffs."
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JohnStOnge wrote:
24 is not too many. It's just not.
24 is not enough IMO. Should be 32. Any more than that, you run into serious logistical issues, but I've always been of the mindset that more is better.
Yep. I simply want to watch more football - especially if it extends the season of my team. I also like the fact that right now, the 8 best teams are rewarded with a bye week. This gets them a little bit more healthy and better football is played as a result.
It's not as if we're not getting some intriguing match ups right of the gates this weekend.
People who clamor on about the purity of 16 team fields are either simpletons or don't like football all that much…or both...
BTW I've heard some FBS people, in defending the FBS system, point to the NCAA basketball tournament and say it makes the regular season meaningless.
It's not the NCAA basketball tournament that makes the NCAA basketball regular season meaningless or lack meaning. It's 1) giving the autobid to conference tournament champions and 2) allowing too many teams from any single conference in.
For the smaller conferences that just get one big, the regular season loses importance because all or most of the teams get into the conference tournament then whoever wins that tournament gets the single bid. So a team can have a great regular season...dominate the conference through the season long grind...then have one slip up in the tournament and all that work is for naught. On the other hand a team can have a losing record, be lway down in the conference standings, then have a good conference tournament and get to the "Big Dance."
For bigger conferences like the ACC they know they can get into NCAA if they finish in the middle of the pack. So, again, how well they do during the regular season is not all that important. Also, even if they do so poorly during the regular season that they would never get an at large bid, they have that shot to get in by virtue of the conference tournament.
So even though the percentage of teams in Division I basketball that gets in (effectively 66 of 347 or 19% last year), the importance of the regular season is diminished. They could make the regular season far more important by making a rule where the regular season champ of each conference gets the automatic bid. Then they'd have to look at different ways of reducing the numbers of teams that could come from major conferences. One way would be just to put a limit on the number of teams from any one conference. Another way would be just to go ahead and cut the total number of at large bids. That would make the percentage of teams that gets in even smaller but it would have the effect of making the regular season mean more as the 6th place team from the ACC could no longer count on getting an at large berth.
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