Playoff Picture as of Right Now....

[89Hen]

Hey, finally found a D2 champ that beat a couple I-AA's...

1984 - Troy State beat FAMU (3-7-1) and Nicholls (6-5) on the way to the title. There you go JSO.

[dal4018]

The SWAC gave up its AQ status a decade ago '01.Only thing they have to look forward to is the SWAC championship.Bethune Cookman is not giving shot for playoffs!!!

I think it's been longer than that Dal. 1996-97ish.

Yes Hen your right it's 99-00 Jackson St was the last representative of the SWAC in the 1-AA playoffs.

[dbackjon]

No - Houston Baptist counts as an exhibition type (they are "unclassified" per NCAA, and UIW is D2 transitional, counts as D2

Interesting...

In August 2012, UIW accepted an invitation to move up to Division I as a member of the Southland Conference.[8] UIW entered the NCAA Division I Southland Conference on July 1, 2013. The football team is a Division I FCS independent in 2013, beginning conference play in 2014 due to schedule commitments. UIW will be fully eligible for Division I championships starting in the 2017-18 season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University ... rnate_Word

On November 21, Houston Baptist accepted an invitation to join the Southland Conference joining July 1, 2013. The school plans to start a football program in 2013 and begin Southland play in 2014.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Baptist_Huskies

If Wiki is accurate, wouldn't both count as D-I wins?

Wikipedia is wrong.

UIW and Abliene are in the first year of transition - do not count as DI.

While Houston Baptist is DI already, they choose to play this year as unclassified (which means this doesn't count as a year of eligibility for their players, or the team.

[JohnStOnge]

Hey, finally found a D2 champ that beat a couple I-AA's...

1984 - Troy State beat FAMU (3-7-1) and Nicholls (6-5) on the way to the title. There you go JSO.

Eventual D2 champ Cal Poly beat eventual I-AA champ Boise State 23-20 in 1980. In the only other meeting of D2 and I-AA national champs, eventual I-AA champ Youngstown State beat eventual D2 champ North Alabama 17-14 in 1994.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Hey, finally found a D2 champ that beat a couple I-AA's...

1984 - Troy State beat FAMU (3-7-1) and Nicholls (6-5) on the way to the title. There you go JSO.

Then they beat the Bison on a last second FG to win the game....

18-17

[kalm]

Interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University ... rnate_Word


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Baptist_Huskies

If Wiki is accurate, wouldn't both count as D-I wins?

Wikipedia is wrong.

UIW and Abliene are in the first year of transition - do not count as DI.

While Houston Baptist is DI already, they choose to play this year as unclassified (which means this doesn't count as a year of eligibility for their players, or the team.

So SHSU has played the equivalent of 3 DII's?

[89Hen]

Eventual D2 champ Cal Poly beat eventual I-AA champ Boise State 23-20 in 1980. In the only other meeting of D2 and I-AA national champs, eventual I-AA champ Youngstown State beat eventual D2 champ North Alabama 17-14 in 1994.

You can throw 1980 out as there was basically no difference between D2 and I-AA at that point. Many of the great "small college" teams were still playing D2 in 1980.

As for North Alabama, it should be noted that not only were they the D2 champs in 1994, they also won the year before and the year after with a combined record of 40-1 those three years outscoring their opponents 37-14 on average. The lone loss was to YSU. I challenge you to find another D2 that had a stretch like that. Closest might be Grand Valley of the mid-2000's but they never play D1 schools.

[89Hen]

I think it's been longer than that Dal. 1996-97ish.

Yes Hen your right it's 99-00 Jackson St was the last representative of the SWAC in the 1-AA playoffs.

JSU's last appearance was 1997.

[clenz]

Wikipedia is wrong.

UIW and Abliene are in the first year of transition - do not count as DI.

While Houston Baptist is DI already, they choose to play this year as unclassified (which means this doesn't count as a year of eligibility for their players, or the team.

So SHSU has played the equivalent of 3 DII's?

Yes...


So again, WTF has SHSU done to warrant being a lock in the playoffs - or even more so in consideration than any other 6-7 D1 win FCS team

[EWURanger]

So SHSU has played the equivalent of 3 DII's?

Yes...


So again, WTF has SHSU done to warrant being a lock in the playoffs - or even more so in consideration than any other 6-7 D1 win FCS team

Lock? Nope...bubble team, yes.

[dbackjon]

Wikipedia is wrong.

UIW and Abliene are in the first year of transition - do not count as DI.

While Houston Baptist is DI already, they choose to play this year as unclassified (which means this doesn't count as a year of eligibility for their players, or the team.

So SHSU has played the equivalent of 3 DII's?

No - just two. They didn't play ACU.

Still, they beat EWU - EWU is the only team with a winning record SHSU beat. If they get in, it will be because of EWU

[JohnStOnge]

You can throw 1980 out as there was basically no difference between D2 and I-AA at that point. Many of the great "small college" teams were still playing D2 in 1980.

As for North Alabama, it should be noted that not only were they the D2 champs in 1994, they also won the year before and the year after with a combined record of 40-1 those three years outscoring their opponents 37-14 on average. The lone loss was to YSU. I challenge you to find another D2 that had a stretch like that. Closest might be Grand Valley of the mid-2000's but they never play D1 schools.

I don't agree that you can throw 1980 out without more basis than that. What were the scholarship limits for the two levels, etc.?

Grand Valley State did not win 3 championships in a row. Instead, it won four in five years. During the four years that it won national titles it went 56-1 and won its games by an average of 38-14.

But I don't think it's necessarily about multiple championships anyway. It's about how good a team is during a given year. Grand Valley State had one 14-0 team that, on average, won its games by 47-17. That's comparable to the 39-11 average score by which North Alabama won games during the most dominant year it had during its three year run (1995).

The point is there have clearly been years when there were teams in D-II have been as good as the top teams in I-AA/FCS. It's not valid to assume that the top team from D-II can't be good enough to be ranked #3 in a combined ranking of the two levels just because it's D-II.

If you were to take the combined top 25 the overwhelming majority of them are going to be FCS. But there are going to be a handful of D-II schools that are going to be in there.

[clenz]

So again...tell me what shsu has done to deserve a bid

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[Aho Old Guy]

So again...tell me what shsu has done to deserve a bid

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They are 8-4, and beat EW ??

I can ask the same question about Youngstown -- their best win is a comeback against S. Illinois, their record is 8-4, and YSU has lost 3 games in a row to end the year ...

[dbackjon]

So again...tell me what shsu has done to deserve a bid

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They are 8-4, and beat EW ??

I can ask the same question about Youngstown -- their best win is a comeback against S. Illinois, their record is 8-4, and YSU has lost 3 games in a row to end the year ...

Only 6 DI wins for SHSU

[SuperHornet]

They are 8-4, and beat EW ??

I can ask the same question about Youngstown -- their best win is a comeback against S. Illinois, their record is 8-4, and YSU has lost 3 games in a row to end the year ...

Only 6 DI wins for SHSU

If AZ is correct, that doesn't matter this year....

[clenz]

So again...tell me what shsu has done to deserve a bid

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They are 8-4, and beat EW ??

I can ask the same question about Youngstown -- their best win is a comeback against S. Illinois, their record is 8-4, and YSU has lost 3 games in a row to end the year ...

SHSU has 6 D1 wins....

SHSU has lost to every good team they've played - with the exception of a weather delayed EWU game..


YSU also doesn't belong in the playoffs

[clenz]

Only 6 DI wins for SHSU

If AZ is correct, that doesn't matter this year....

It's never been a actual rule


The difference is, the 2 wins that SHSU that aren't D1 wins aren't counters at all...not even as a D2.

[grizzaholic]

Just looking through some scores today on ESPN...holy shit. I don't envy the playoff committee tomorrow.

[clenz]

Just looking through some scores today on ESPN...holy shit. I don't envy the playoff committee tomorrow.

Nope....

The number of teams between 6 and 8 D1 wins is amazingly long....



I don't think UNI gets in though, there were a couple key games that UNI needed to go differently than they did

[Aho Old Guy]

They are 8-4, and beat EW ??

I can ask the same question about Youngstown -- their best win is a comeback against S. Illinois, their record is 8-4, and YSU has lost 3 games in a row to end the year ...

Only 6 DI wins for SHSU

I'm sure you guys know better, but the NCAA classifies them both as **FCS Independent** and lists them in FCS stats and strength of schedule.

[grizzaholic]

Just looking through some scores today on ESPN...holy shit. I don't envy the playoff committee tomorrow.

Nope....

The number of teams between 6 and 8 D1 wins is amazingly long....



I don't think UNI gets in though, there were a couple key games that UNI needed to go differently than they did

I also don't think UNI gets in.

[clenz]

Only 6 DI wins for SHSU

I'm sure you guys know better, but the NCAA classifies them both as **FCS Independent** and lists them in FCS stats and strength of schedule.

Neither one counts as a D1 win....


From TexasTerror on AGS..


Just to clarify since it repeatedly comes up and there are a lot of people still getting it wrong.

Houston Baptist is a non-classified program this year in football. They do not count as an NCAA Division I win in the sport of football. This year does not count towards any of their players' eligibility, so essentially a redshirt for all. The only exception is that it does count against a player's five-year window after graduating high school. In recent years, only South Alabama has played a similar schedule in their first year of competition. It should also be noted since they are non-classified, that this year does not count towards APR purposes.

Further, HBU counts as an NCAA Division I across all other sports since they completed transition previously. Football is the lone exception. They will be Division I next year from a football standpoint.

Abilene Christian and Incarnate Word are transitional programs and do not count as an NCAA Division I win across all sports including football.

The Southland is only making teams play them once each in basketball, volleyball, etc. due to NCAA limitations on non-Division I games as it relates to earning at-large bids in NCAA tournaments. In baseball and softball, each SLC school is playing a three-game series vs. one of the two schools, not both. ACU + UIW are playing home-and-home in all those sports in order to get more games. Next year, these schools count as Division I schools across the board, though ineligible for postseason per transitional rules.

I hope this puts an end to all the misinformation being posted on these boards and elsewhere.

End of the day - NONE of the above schools count as Division I wins this year in football.

[grizzaholic]

I'm sure you guys know better, but the NCAA classifies them both as **FCS Independent** and lists them in FCS stats and strength of schedule.

Neither one counts as a D1 win....


From TexasTerror on AGS..


blah blah blah blah blah

Sorry. You lost all credibility in quoting that asshat.

[clenz]

Neither one counts as a D1 win....


From TexasTerror on AGS..


blah blah blah blah blah

Sorry. You lost all credibility in quoting that asshat.

I realize...but he is correct on this matter