Thank You W and Cheney

[89Hen]

Not eveyone enjoys the same thing. Just like music, food, etc...

But, ahem, smart people visit different locales and listen to different music and eat different food.

Put yer clothes back on, emperor.

Yeah, people who don't visit ND are cretans.

[AZGrizFan]

They're just not man enough.

Not enough golf courses. I have no less than 12 courses within 5 miles of my house as the crow flies.

Phoenix AZ is your place, man.

[89Hen]

Not enough golf courses. I have no less than 12 courses within 5 miles of my house as the crow flies.

Phoenix AZ is your place, man.

I'd miss my green, rolling hills. It is funny that when I look at different areas and think it would be a cool place to live, my next glance is always to see how many golf courses there are. I think Montana has 111 golf courses (and some of them really aren't). I remember when the TPC opened in Myrtle Beach... it was the 100th course in the MB area.

[Ibanez]

It is pretty. But that video looks just like the one for Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, North Dakota.... I'm sure all very pretty, but if it were so great, why don't more people live there?

Well, they aren't exactly economic hot spots, excluding the oil boom in the Bakken area. Also not everyone enjoys the slower paced, simpler lifestyle that living in them generally entails.

Sounds like most of the south.

[Grizalltheway]

Well, they aren't exactly economic hot spots, excluding the oil boom in the Bakken area. Also not everyone enjoys the slower paced, simpler lifestyle that living in them generally entails.

Sounds like most of the south.

Yeah, but without the kneegrows, grinding poverty, obesity and humidity.

[Cap'n Cat]

But, ahem, smart people visit different locales and listen to different music and eat different food.

Put yer clothes back on, emperor.

Yeah, people who don't visit ND are cretans.

Your words, not Cappy's, Hen.

[AZGrizFan]

Phoenix AZ is your place, man.

I'd miss my green, rolling hills. It is funny that when I look at different areas and think it would be a cool place to live, my next glance is always to see how many golf courses there are. I think Montana has 111 golf courses (and some of them really aren't). I remember when the TPC opened in Myrtle Beach... it was the 100th course in the MB area.

186 in the Phoenix area. The vast majority of which I've played...and all had "green, rolling hills". 9 of those have 27 holes, 21 have 36 holes, 1 has 3 courses/54 holes and 1 (Desert Mountain) has 6 different courses/108 holes.

[Grizalltheway]

I'd miss my green, rolling hills. It is funny that when I look at different areas and think it would be a cool place to live, my next glance is always to see how many golf courses there are. I think Montana has 111 golf courses (and some of them really aren't). I remember when the TPC opened in Myrtle Beach... it was the 100th course in the MB area.

186 in the Phoenix area. The vast majority of which I've played...and all had "green, rolling hills". 9 of those have 27 holes, 21 have 36 holes, 1 has 3 courses/54 holes and 1 (Desert Mountain) has 6 different courses/108 holes.

And all of that in a place that gets about 5 inches of rain a year.

[Cap'n Cat]

186 in the Phoenix area. The vast majority of which I've played...and all had "green, rolling hills". 9 of those have 27 holes, 21 have 36 holes, 1 has 3 courses/54 holes and 1 (Desert Mountain) has 6 different courses/108 holes.

And all of that in a place that gets about 5 inches of rain a year.

Cough!.....misuse of resources.....Cough! Cough!

[houndawg]

Never been there, then, Hen. Yet, you can speak to things there.....

Recommend a trip. Get off the Interstate, get up close. Guarantee you won't have the same thoughts. Same for you, Z, you know-it-all Texas Klan gorillla.

Tell you what - next June, Hen, D, Z and me meet in Minneapolis and take a tour of the northern Great Plains in my truck. Interested?

Sounds great! Maybe we can help put a couch in the back.

You could put Delaware in the back.

[AZGrizFan]

186 in the Phoenix area. The vast majority of which I've played...and all had "green, rolling hills". 9 of those have 27 holes, 21 have 36 holes, 1 has 3 courses/54 holes and 1 (Desert Mountain) has 6 different courses/108 holes.

And all of that in a place that gets about 5 inches of rain a year.

It's called reclaimed water. Look into it.

[CAA Flagship]

Just thought I would stop by and see how this thread is going.

At quick glance, I see things are normal:
Cappy is spewing anti Conk propaganda
89 is bashing the flyover region.
GATW is throwing up.
kalmy is......well.....kalmy
klean can't stay focused
houndawg is still angry
AZ is acting like Switzerland

Carry on gents.

[CAA Flagship]

TOP OIL PRODUCER- The United States will knock off Saudi Arabia as the world's top energy producer by 2015.

Well, there's a reason why Flaggy is tiptoeing out of the room on this one.

Being the world's top ENERGY producer might very well be a good thing - IF it's all forms of energy - nuke, wind, oil, coal, green, renewable, NG, bio and etc - and not just petroleum.

If it's just petroleum, it's a problem. Finite supply which we fight ever harder to extract, thus endangering our environment reinforces the notion of what a dead-end resource it is.

Conks and other petro-heads huzzah over the fact that the U.S. and Canada together, by some estimate, have 100-150 year of oil reserves. Really? That much, huh? That's good for those of us around in the next 100-150 years, but what are those after that to do?
PetroConks in Texas (now ND) and DC spend billions short-sightedly lobbying against renewable energy and pollution and emissions standards, all of which could string that supply out PLUS, perhaps, replace it with something better. Thinking of the future, sadly, is not a squark in the genetic makeup of Conks, however.

Stuff my portfolio now, fuck the future. Capitalism and entrepreneurialism, Z and Baldy!!!



Here's something we never think about, too: Our oil supply, be it domestic or foreign-sourced is only available to us somewhat readily because of the presence of the US military, a magnanimously expensive guard-at-the-gate and largely lawless (when overseas) roughneck violator of international borders, which happens to also be the single largest consumer of oil on the planet. This is not sustainable.



Finally, Brother Baldy's comment above, reposted below, is an illustration of much Conk thinking on the subject:

Life 101: Not everyone is going to be happy.

They will get over it, and so will you.

In his Darwinian zeal, he says that the oil spills, loss of productive crop/grazing land, polluted water, petro work-related death and injuries, strained schools, overtaxed infrastructure and state/county/municipal support, prostitution, runaway inflation in the present boom areas up North among many other maladies, are things to be suffered as they were, perhaps, back in 1900 in Oklahoma or 1920 southern California. Lots of people are going to get hurt and die, the land will be fouled forever, but, in the end it's worth it, says Baldy.



Brother Baldy's comment was sent from a place, too, that does not have those sorts of problems, though. His largest worry every day in his environment is the fragrant, pinkish-white magnolia leaves falling into his landscaping. Cussing the palm frond that is rubbing on his truck in the gentle tidal breezes and the flamingos shitting in his backyard.

He has never been to Williston or Minot, ND, both before and during the Bakken craze (I have...several times), yet, in a typically arrogant and patriarchal Conk fashion, admonishes us, telling us to "get over" the past, present and future devastation.



So anyway, largest ENERGY producer - Yes. Largest petroleum producer - Not so fast.

Cappy,
We will use oil as long as it is there, or until we find a better solution to our sources of heat and transportation fuel. When it starts to run out, the price point will push us to alternative sources before it is gone. And if there is not enough alternative sources to meet our demands, we will adjust our lifestyles collectively. What's all the pissing and moaning about?

[Baldy]

Well, there's a reason why Flaggy is tiptoeing out of the room on this one.

Being the world's top ENERGY producer might very well be a good thing - IF it's all forms of energy - nuke, wind, oil, coal, green, renewable, NG, bio and etc - and not just petroleum.

If it's just petroleum, it's a problem. Finite supply which we fight ever harder to extract, thus endangering our environment reinforces the notion of what a dead-end resource it is.

Conks and other petro-heads huzzah over the fact that the U.S. and Canada together, by some estimate, have 100-150 year of oil reserves. Really? That much, huh? That's good for those of us around in the next 100-150 years, but what are those after that to do?
PetroConks in Texas (now ND) and DC spend billions short-sightedly lobbying against renewable energy and pollution and emissions standards, all of which could string that supply out PLUS, perhaps, replace it with something better. Thinking of the future, sadly, is not a squark in the genetic makeup of Conks, however.

Stuff my portfolio now, fuck the future. Capitalism and entrepreneurialism, Z and Baldy!!!

Shortsighted and ignorant, i.e. Donkspeak. Cappy, you know better than that.
US Proved oil reserves December 31, 1945: 21 Billion barrels.
US Proved oil reserves December 31, 2011: 29 Billion barrels.

In 1939 the Interior Department claimed that US would have exhausted its oil supplies by 1952. 30 years later, the size of the US reserves had tripled. Nobody is saying oil isn't a finite resource, but it's more likely that man will be walking on the planets of other solar systems before that happens, and petroleum will have gone the way of the steam engine 100's of years before then.

On top of that, over 70% of the earth's crust hasn't even been explored for oil, yet. For all intents and purposes, oil is an infinite resource.

Finally, Brother Baldy's comment above, reposted below, is an illustration of much Conk thinking on the subject:

Life 101: Not everyone is going to be happy.

They will get over it, and so will you.

In his Darwinian zeal, he says that the oil spills, loss of productive crop/grazing land, polluted water, petro work-related death and injuries, strained schools, overtaxed infrastructure and state/county/municipal support, prostitution, runaway inflation in the present boom areas up North among many other maladies, are things to be suffered as they were, perhaps, back in 1900 in Oklahoma or 1920 southern California. Lots of people are going to get hurt and die, the land will be fouled forever, but, in the end it's worth it, says Baldy.

"Loss of productive crop/grazing land"?..."polluted water"?
Where was this faux outrage when your government mandated that X number of billions of bushels of corn be taken out of the food/feed supply to be used to make corn ethanol. An inefficient, resource sucking, environmentally toxic, highly dangerous, highly corrosive "alternative" to that nasty but more efficient and more environmentally friendly hydrocarbon. But hey, the greenie wackadoodles love it since its not a petroleum based product. Polluted water is a possibility in a highly unlikely event such as an oil spill. I'll take that over the certainty that it takes/wastes on average 3 gallons of water to make one gallon of ethanol.

Cappy, I just love your new found pragmatic Conkness. So concerned about prostitutes running up and down the streets corrupting our children and destroying our "family values". You sir, deserve a medal. Pat Robertson would be proud.

Brother Baldy's comment was sent from a place, too, that does not have those sorts of problems, though. His largest worry every day in his environment is the fragrant, pinkish-white magnolia leaves falling into his landscaping. Cussing the palm frond that is rubbing on his truck in the gentle tidal breezes and the flamingos shitting in his backyard.

Speaking of being "typically arrogant and patriarchal"....
I live no more than 20 minutes from no less than 4 EPA Superfund sites. Though you have been here, it seems you don't really know anything about my "place".
I wish I had a fucking magnolia tree. Instead I have a 250 year old live oak that sheds leaves 24/7/365. Thank GOD for my gas burning blower and gas burning lawnmower.

[Cap'n Cat]

But, re this:

Cappy, I just love your new found pragmatic Conkness. So concerned about prostitutes running up and down the streets corrupting our children and destroying our "family values"[/u]. You sir, deserve a medal. Pat Robertson would be proud.


I appreciate prostitutes - they're the ultimate capitalists, ain't they? Shit, they got vertical integration down to a science, quite literally, as they have cornered the market on that one important commodity!!! Just passin' on to the readers what's near and dear to those poor, trampled folks in western ND, most of whom long for the good old days, I reckon.

[Cap'n Cat]

Cappy,
We will use oil as long as it is there, or until we find a better solution to our sources of heat and transportation fuel. When it starts to run out, the price point will push us to alternative sources before it is gone. And if there is not enough alternative sources to meet our demands, we will adjust our lifestyles collectively. What's all the pissing and moaning about?

Jesus, Flagstone. "When it starts to run out..." That's too late, numbskull.

[CAA Flagship]

Cappy,
We will use oil as long as it is there, or until we find a better solution to our sources of heat and transportation fuel. When it starts to run out, the price point will push us to alternative sources before it is gone. And if there is not enough alternative sources to meet our demands, we will adjust our lifestyles collectively. What's all the pissing and moaning about?

Jesus, Flagstone. "When it starts to run out..." That's too late, numbskull.

Meh. I don't think so. Why build a 6 lane road in the middle of nowhere today when the demand for it won't occur for another 25 years? It took less than 10 years to put a man on the moon (or come up with clever pictures that make it look like we did - amiright spandos?). We can adjust our lifestyles and transform our fleet of cars, busses, and trains to propane, natural gas, battery, hydrogen, etc. in a 20 year period. There is just no point in doing it now.

[mrklean]

STILL WAITING

[89Hen]

STILL WAITING

Why don't you wait over there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[CAA Flagship]

STILL WAITING

Sir, all of our representatives are dealing with other customers at the moment. Each customer is received in the order that they arrived. Please have a seat and feel free to enjoy our complimentary soft drinks, coffee, and donuts while you wait.
Thank you.
Management

[mrklean]

STILL WAITING

Sir, all of our representatives are dealing with other customers at the moment. Each customer is received in the order that they arrived. Please have a seat and feel free to enjoy our complimentary soft drinks, coffee, and donuts while you wait.
Thank you.
Management

I want to speak with the Manager....DAMMIT!!!!

[AZGrizFan]

STILL WAITING

Sir, all of our representatives are dealing with other customers at the moment. Each customer is received in the order that they arrived. Please have a seat and feel free to enjoy our complimentary soft drinks, coffee, and donuts while you wait.
Thank you.
Management

Donuts???

[Ibanez]

Sir, all of our representatives are dealing with other customers at the moment. Each customer is received in the order that they arrived. Please have a seat and feel free to enjoy our complimentary soft drinks, coffee, and donuts while you wait.
Thank you.
Management

I want to speak with the Manager....DAMMIT!!!!

Oh Herro! You have compraint? You terr me arr about it. Speak srowry into the microphone.

[mrklean]

I want to speak with the Manager....DAMMIT!!!!

Oh Herro! You have compraint? You terr me arr about it. Speak srowry into the microphone.

YOU CAN'T TALK TO ME LIKE THAT WAY, I'M A AMERICAN DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cap'n Cat]

Meh. I don't think so. Why build a 6 lane road in the middle of nowhere today when the demand for it won't occur for another 25 years? It took less than 10 years to put a man on the moon (or come up with clever pictures that make it look like we did - amiright spandos?). We can adjust our lifestyles and transform our fleet of cars, busses, and trains to propane, natural gas, battery, hydrogen, etc. in a 20 year period.

There is just no point in doing it now.

You tell your kids shit like that? "Don't plan for the future."

Sorry, Flaggie, we already are preparing....thanks to forward looking people. Stand out of the way, please.