A Good Example of Liberalism Degrading the Culture

[Col Hogan]

The effort to overcome "Mountain Pride" and get people who believe in relying on themselves to "give in" and get on the government dole. Liberal, Progressive, whatever you want to call it. It stinks. It really does.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/03/usda- ... amp-rolls/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012 ... ain-pride/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/09/03" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From your $50,000 per year salary:

$247.75 per year for defense
$3.98 per year for FEMA
$22.88 per year for unemployment insurance
$36.82 per year for food stamps
$6.96 per year for welfare
$43.78 per year for retirement and disability for government workers, civilian and military
$235.81 per year for Medicare
$4,000 per year for corporate subsidies



Your outrage isn't channeled very constructively....

Common Dreams.

The liberal wet dream site.....

[houndawg]

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/09/03" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From your $50,000 per year salary:

$247.75 per year for defense
$3.98 per year for FEMA
$22.88 per year for unemployment insurance
$36.82 per year for food stamps
$6.96 per year for welfare
$43.78 per year for retirement and disability for government workers, civilian and military
$235.81 per year for Medicare
$4,000 per year for corporate subsidies



Your outrage isn't channeled very constructively....

Common Dreams.

The liberal wet dream site.....

You have some other source we'd love to see it.

[Grizalltheway]

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/09/03" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From your $50,000 per year salary:

$247.75 per year for defense
$3.98 per year for FEMA
$22.88 per year for unemployment insurance
$36.82 per year for food stamps
$6.96 per year for welfare
$43.78 per year for retirement and disability for government workers, civilian and military
$235.81 per year for Medicare
$4,000 per year for corporate subsidies



Your outrage isn't channeled very constructively....

Common Dreams.

The liberal wet dream site.....

Well, at least you called out St. Wronge on citing dailycaller...hypocrite.

[JohnStOnge]

Well, at least you called out St. Wronge on citing dailycaller...hypocrite.

I happened to pick a link. The fact that it happened is well known and I've never heard anybody dispute it. Just Google it. Now, you might find that conservative oriented sites are more likely to report it. But the assertion that the Department of Agriculture endeavored to overcome peoples' pride in order to get them to accept government aid is accurate.

[JohnStOnge]

When I clicked the link in the text below I didn't immediately see the numbers involved or any description of them. I don't know if they are serious. But of course if that is some kind of per capita or per household breakdown for someone at $50,000 per year there is no way that $4,000 per year for corporate subsidies is anywhere close to be accurate. If you've got a set of Federal tax form instructions from 2012, pull it out. I'm looking at page 42 of a 1040EZ instructions book. It shows that "Social security, Medicare, and other retirement accounted for 37% of outlays. "Social programs accounted for 23%. So we're already at 60% and most of that went to benefits stuff. Then there was 24% for "National defense, veterans, and foreign affairs." 6% was spent on "Net interest on the debt." 2% went to Law Enforcement and general government. That leaves 8% for the only remaining category: Physical, human, and community development.

So where do you think "corporate subsidy" fits in? Maybe "Physical, human, and community development?" It's pretty obvious that there's no way we have a situation where government spends an amount on "corporate subsidy" that dwarfs expenditures on things like Medicare by more than 10 fold. It's ridiculous.

I know that liberals like to say that not taxing a person or business as much as liberals think they should be taxed is "subsidizing" them. It's not. But even if it were in some cases the idea that "spending" on "corporate subsidy" far exceeds spending on everything else combined is pretty darned absurd.

The only question is whether or not anybody was seriously trying to argue that or if it was a joke.

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/09/03" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From your $50,000 per year salary:

$247.75 per year for defense
$3.98 per year for FEMA
$22.88 per year for unemployment insurance
$36.82 per year for food stamps
$6.96 per year for welfare
$43.78 per year for retirement and disability for government workers, civilian and military
$235.81 per year for Medicare
$4,000 per year for corporate subsidies



Your outrage isn't channeled very constructively....

[JohnStOnge]

Your outrage isn't channeled very constructively....

Oh, and my outrage in this case isn't focused on spending per se. It's on the way in which liberalism seeks to create a culture of dependency; to destroy the sense of self reliance and the feeling that you largely have control over your own destiny. It seduces people into giving up. And in the meantime it instills them with the entitlement mentality.

The outrage is over the way in which liberalism is destroying the collective character of the people. Liberalism is a disease. A cancer eating away at a once proud nation. And I'm afraid that the condition has progressed beyond the point of remedy.

[houndawg]

When I clicked the link in the text below I didn't immediately see the numbers involved or any description of them. I don't know if they are serious. But of course if that is some kind of per capita or per household breakdown for someone at $50,000 per year there is no way that $4,000 per year for corporate subsidies is anywhere close to be accurate. If you've got a set of Federal tax form instructions from 2012, pull it out. I'm looking at page 42 of a 1040EZ instructions book. It shows that "Social security, Medicare, and other retirement accounted for 37% of outlays. "Social programs accounted for 23%. So we're already at 60% and most of that went to benefits stuff. Then there was 24% for "National defense, veterans, and foreign affairs." 6% was spent on "Net interest on the debt." 2% went to Law Enforcement and general government. That leaves 8% for the only remaining category: Physical, human, and community development.

So where do you think "corporate subsidy" fits in? Maybe "Physical, human, and community development?" It's pretty obvious that there's no way we have a situation where government spends an amount on "corporate subsidy" that dwarfs expenditures on things like Medicare by more than 10 fold. It's ridiculous.

I know that liberals like to say that not taxing a person or business as much as liberals think they should be taxed is "subsidizing" them. It's not. But even if it were in some cases the idea that "spending" on "corporate subsidy" far exceeds spending on everything else combined is pretty darned absurd.

The only question is whether or not anybody was seriously trying to argue that or if it was a joke.

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/09/03" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From your $50,000 per year salary:

$247.75 per year for defense
$3.98 per year for FEMA
$22.88 per year for unemployment insurance
$36.82 per year for food stamps
$6.96 per year for welfare
$43.78 per year for retirement and disability for government workers, civilian and military
$235.81 per year for Medicare
$4,000 per year for corporate subsidies



Your outrage isn't channeled very constructively....

You're blowing smoke, John.

[Chizzang]

Your outrage isn't channeled very constructively....

Oh, and my outrage in this case isn't focused on spending per se. It's on the way in which liberalism seeks to create a culture of dependency; to destroy the sense of self reliance and the feeling that you largely have control over your own destiny. It seduces people into giving up. And in the meantime it instills them with the entitlement mentality.

The outrage is over the way in which liberalism is destroying the collective character of the people. Liberalism is a disease. A cancer eating away at a once proud nation. And I'm afraid that the condition has progressed beyond the point of remedy.

I agree with you John
But I have an honest question for you
can you see how conservatism is negatively effecting America


give it a shot

Because I can see negative effects of both ideologies... can you?

[Col Hogan]

Oh, and my outrage in this case isn't focused on spending per se. It's on the way in which liberalism seeks to create a culture of dependency; to destroy the sense of self reliance and the feeling that you largely have control over your own destiny. It seduces people into giving up. And in the meantime it instills them with the entitlement mentality.

The outrage is over the way in which liberalism is destroying the collective character of the people. Liberalism is a disease. A cancer eating away at a once proud nation. And I'm afraid that the condition has progressed beyond the point of remedy.

I agree with you John
But I have an honest question for you
can you see how conservatism is negatively effecting America


give it a shot

Because I can see negative effects of both ideologies... can you?

Republican Conservatism??? Or conservatism??? (See what I did there???)

If the first, we don't have enough band-width the list all the ways it is negatively impacting this country...

But the latter....I see few downsides...

[Czyz]

Nope, you're wrong. I thought the numbers were off, too, but I checked:

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19844 ... are-is-not" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

VC

[D1B]

I agree with you John
But I have an honest question for you
can you see how conservatism is negatively effecting America


give it a shot

Because I can see negative effects of both ideologies... can you?

Republican Conservatism??? Or conservatism??? (See what I did there???)

If the first, we don't have enough band-width the list all the ways it is negatively impacting this country...

But the latter....I see few downsides...

Hogan - biggest asshole here besides St.Wronge.

[UNI88]

So where do you think "corporate subsidy" fits in? Maybe "Physical, human, and community development?" It's pretty obvious that there's no way we have a situation where government spends an amount on "corporate subsidy" that dwarfs expenditures on things like Medicare by more than 10 fold. It's ridiculous.

John, your smarter than that. You can't see where corporate subsidies fit in because they're typically lost revenues not expenses. Favorable tax treatment for the ABC Monolithic Corporation and its ilk can't show up in the example you gave because the government never received the money in order to give it away.

I'm pretty conservative and don't think corporate tax rates are too low but I also think the government does tinker too much and has created an un-level playing field that helps some businesses and hinders others in exchange for donations and other support.

[UNI88]

I agree with you John
But I have an honest question for you
can you see how conservatism is negatively effecting America

Because I can see negative effects of both ideologies... can you?

Republican Conservatism??? Or conservatism??? (See what I did there???)

If the first, we don't have enough band-width the list all the ways it is negatively impacting this country...

But the latter....I see few downsides...

Conservatism is too broad of a category to pin down with generalities. There is fiscal conservatism, social conservatism, historical conservatism, environmental conservatism, etc.

I'm fiscally conservative but also believe that business and the market if left to their own devices would wreak havoc on the environment. As a result, I believe the government has a beneficial role to play in protecting the environment. Today's EPA has become a bureaucratic nightmare that frequently oversteps its bounds but I believe there would be a huge long-term negative impact if it was dismantled or stripped of its authority in the name of fiscal conservatism.

IMO, the extremes of any ideology will almost certainly have negative effects.

[kalm]

Republican Conservatism??? Or conservatism??? (See what I did there???)

If the first, we don't have enough band-width the list all the ways it is negatively impacting this country...

But the latter....I see few downsides...

Conservatism is too broad of a category to pin down with generalities. There is fiscal conservatism, social conservatism, historical conservatism, environmental conservatism, etc.

I'm fiscally conservative but also believe that business and the market if left to their own devices would wreak havoc on the environment. As a result, I believe the government has a beneficial role to play in protecting the environment. Today's EPA has become a bureaucratic nightmare that frequently oversteps its bounds but I believe there would be a huge long-term negative impact if it was dismantled or stripped of its authority in the name of fiscal conservatism.

IMO, the extremes of any ideology will almost certainly have negative effects.

Flat out nailed it on the last two posts.