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dbackjon wrote:So Republicans are trying to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, the elderly, and children, refusing to restore cuts to SNAP - nutritional program that mostly helps women and children.

Great. Wall Street and Defense is raping the country, but try to give a starving kid another 25 bucks a month is bad.

This country is truly fucked in our priorities. If you think most of the working poor like it that way, and are happy on handouts, you are too fucking dumb to vote.
Why are we just paying people? That solves nothing. Republicans and Democrats, on this board and in Congress, are always saying you can't solve a problem by throwing money at it. But that is what is done with social welfare. They give money and expect nothing in return. Again...it's the abuse of social and corporate welfare that is the problem. Along with abuse is the inability of the Government to help people get off and stay off. Getting off and staying off welfare isn't just the Gov't's role (because they can help with job training) but it's societys role to hire these people, pay them a livable wage and help the generation or two that is coming of age to see that there is a better future. We have to stop subsidies for companies like Exxon, especially when they make the profits they do.
No question that generational welfare exists...I've seen it personally. Much of it has to do with the wrong people having babies. I also agree that workfare/job training/education need to be essential components. Keep in mind though that the war on poverty came about in the 60's as research showed a rather large problem with malnourished and diseased children in rural areas - especially the south. So to a certain extent their has been some success in this regard.

I've also personally known welfare recipients that went on to have amazingly successful and productive lives.
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Re: Republicans to the Poor:

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Ibanez wrote:
dbackjon wrote:So Republicans are trying to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, the elderly, and children, refusing to restore cuts to SNAP - nutritional program that mostly helps women and children.

Great. Wall Street and Defense is raping the country, but try to give a starving kid another 25 bucks a month is bad.

This country is truly fucked in our priorities. If you think most of the working poor like it that way, and are happy on handouts, you are too fucking dumb to vote.
Why are we just paying people? That solves nothing. Republicans and Democrats, on this board and in Congress, are always saying you can't solve a problem by throwing money at it. But that is what is done with social welfare. They give money and expect nothing in return. Again...it's the abuse of social and corporate welfare that is the problem. Along with abuse is the inability of the Government to help people get off and stay off. Getting off and staying off welfare isn't just the Gov't's role (because they can help with job training) but it's societys role to hire these people, pay them a livable wage and help the generation or two that is coming of age to see that there is a better future. We have to stop subsidies for companies like Exxon, especially when they make the profits they do.
Yeah, well, tell that to the nation's largest private employer, who happens to hand out food stamp paperwork along with the employment application. :coffee:
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No, your post is a gross generalization and a difference in idealogy. We are too polarized and it creates topics like this where you will say Republicans want to kill the poor and no amount of evidence can make you change your mind because you are conditioned to equate Evil with Republicanism. Republicans and Democrats have great ideas and HORRIBLE IDEAS. They have their equal share of good and bad leaders. People like me, who are truly in the middle, don't stand a chance.
You're Conkier than that fuck Hoagie.

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You're as clueless than that racist mrklean.

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Shoulda been handing out condoms and providing sex ed in schools decades ago, too. However, Conks had other ideas......

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Ibanez wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
You're Conkier than that fuck Hoagie.

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You're as clueless than that racist mrklean.

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I still love you though. I don't care about a persons politics or thier lifestyle and choices, as long as it doesn't infringe on me.

You sound like Z, Mark. Says he's Libertarian because he's embarrassed to say he's really a Conk. Popular dodge these days.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Why are we just paying people? That solves nothing. Republicans and Democrats, on this board and in Congress, are always saying you can't solve a problem by throwing money at it. But that is what is done with social welfare. They give money and expect nothing in return. Again...it's the abuse of social and corporate welfare that is the problem. Along with abuse is the inability of the Government to help people get off and stay off. Getting off and staying off welfare isn't just the Gov't's role (because they can help with job training) but it's societys role to hire these people, pay them a livable wage and help the generation or two that is coming of age to see that there is a better future. We have to stop subsidies for companies like Exxon, especially when they make the profits they do.
Yeah, well, tell that to the nation's largest private employer, who happens to hand out food stamp paperwork along with the employment application. :coffee:
Society can't take a back seat to these problem. If Republicans don't want the Gov't to do this, then society must step up. That includes companies, large and small. Again, education will set you free.
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Re: Republicans to the Poor:

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Ibanez wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Yeah, well, tell that to the nation's largest private employer, who happens to hand out food stamp paperwork along with the employment application. :coffee:
Society can't take a back seat to these problem. If Republicans don't want the Gov't to do this, then society must step up. That includes companies, large and small. Again, education will set you free.

Get ready to pay for it, Conks......
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Ibanez wrote:
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You're as clueless than that racist mrklean.

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I still love you though. I don't care about a persons politics or thier lifestyle and choices, as long as it doesn't infringe on me.

You sound like Z, Mark. Says he's Libertarian because he's embarrassed to say he's really a Conk. Popular dodge these days.

Yeah, he says Libertarian but I don't claim any association. In 2004 and 2012 I voted Libertarian for POTUS. In 2008 I voted for Obama. I usually vote Democrat around here because all the Republicans want is to lower taxes and when they do, they complain about not having money to fix the streets or for the schools. Lowering taxes doesn't cure anything. I can't stand that mentality.

Shit, I voted for Stephen Colberts sister over Mark Sanford. I can't stand that liar.
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Ibanez wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

You sound like Z, Mark. Says he's Libertarian because he's embarrassed to say he's really a Conk. Popular dodge these days.

Yeah, he says Libertarian but I don't claim any association. In 2004 and 2012 I voted Libertarian for POTUS. In 2008 I voted for Obama. I usually vote Democrat around here because all the Republicans want is to lower taxes and when they do, they complain about not having money to fix the streets or for the schools. Lowering taxes doesn't cure anything. I can't stand that mentality.

Shit, I voted for Stephen Colberts sister over Mark Sanford. I can't stand that liar.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Society can't take a back seat to these problem. If Republicans don't want the Gov't to do this, then society must step up. That includes companies, large and small. Again, education will set you free.

Get ready to pay for it, Conks......
Let's take some money for wasteful government programs, including DoD, and help kids stay in school. Help kids learn a trade, etc...
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Ibanez wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

You sound like Z, Mark. Says he's Libertarian because he's embarrassed to say he's really a Conk. Popular dodge these days.

Yeah, he says Libertarian but I don't claim any association. In 2004 and 2012 I voted Libertarian for POTUS. In 2008 I voted for Obama. I usually vote Democrat around here because all the Republicans want is to lower taxes and when they do, they complain about not having money to fix the streets or for the schools. Lowering taxes doesn't cure anything. I can't stand that mentality.

****, I voted for Stephen Colberts sister over Mark Sanford. I can't stand that liar.

You claimed that you voted for Obama in 08. Did you really think he would have fixed this mess in 8 years?
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Ibanez wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

Get ready to pay for it, Conks......
Let's take some money for wasteful government programs, including DoD, and help kids stay in school. Help kids learn a trade, etc...
Run for office and get it going, Mark. Raise taxes, too.
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Ibanez wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

Get ready to pay for it, Conks......
Let's take some money for wasteful government programs, including DoD, and help kids stay in school. Help kids learn a trade, etc...

That will NEVER happen :ohno:
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mrklean wrote:
Ibanez wrote:

Yeah, he says Libertarian but I don't claim any association. In 2004 and 2012 I voted Libertarian for POTUS. In 2008 I voted for Obama. I usually vote Democrat around here because all the Republicans want is to lower taxes and when they do, they complain about not having money to fix the streets or for the schools. Lowering taxes doesn't cure anything. I can't stand that mentality.

****, I voted for Stephen Colberts sister over Mark Sanford. I can't stand that liar.

You claimed that you voted for Obama in 08. Did you really think he would have fixed this mess in 8 years?
Don't be silly.


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Ibanez wrote:
Let's take some money for wasteful government programs, including DoD, and help kids stay in school. Help kids learn a trade, etc...
Run for office and get it going, Mark. Raise taxes, too.
I ran years ago. Never got past primaries. republicans hated me.


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Ibanez wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
Run for office and get it going, Mark. Raise taxes, too.
I ran years ago. Never got past primaries. republicans hated me.

Talk to my Friend, Buck Limehouse. Last time I heard, he was Battling Prostate Cancer.
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Ibanez wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
Run for office and get it going, Mark. Raise taxes, too.
I ran years ago. Never got past primaries. republicans hated me.


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Grizalltheway wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
I ran years ago. Never got past primaries. republicans hated me.


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County Council. I'm sure my youth had much to do with it.


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mrklean wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
I ran years ago. Never got past primaries. republicans hated me.

Talk to my Friend, Buck Limehouse. Last time I heard, he was Battling Prostate Cancer.

How do you know Buck?


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Ibanez wrote:
mrklean wrote:
I ran years ago. Never got past primaries. republicans hated me.

Talk to my Friend, Buck Limehouse. Last time I heard, he was Battling Prostate Cancer.

How do you know Buck?

Klean gets around. Really Nice guy, I don't agree with him all of the time.

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Red states are more generous than blue states. The eight states where residents gave the highest share of income to charity went for John McCain in 2008. The seven-lowest ranking states supported Barack Obama.
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Red states are more generous than blue states. The eight states where residents gave the highest share of income to charity went for John McCain in 2008. The seven-lowest ranking states supported Barack Obama.
Which is fitting because the red states are needier.
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