60 Minutes Segment on Benghazi

[LeadBolt]

Apparently you missed the part in the article about having realtime surveillance via drone, giving the US forces the advantage in intelligence, something the administration and their supporters lack...

Giving you maybe an extra few hours to plan something. Yeah, nothing to it....

You would have lead the bleating and whimpering about our socialist prez wasting the lives of our brave troops on suicide missions if one of those missing SAMs had taken out a C-130 full of commandos or if they'd walked into a waiting ambush ala Somalia or suffered equipment failure ala Desert One. In the real world things go wrong, LB.

Of course things go wrong in the real world HD. The question is does the President sit back and watch them go wrong sacrificing Americans or does he take action to try and save Americans knowing there is a chance of failure?

As you pointed out Carter's rescue attempt failed in Iran in 1980, but since then we have spent billions to develop the right kind of aircraft (the Osprey) and tactics for just such a situation, should it happen again. It did and the Observer in Chief choose to do what he does best, sit back and observe Americans die, not try to take action to help Americans live. You know big 0 style leadership...

From where I stand Carter looks much more like a leader and less of a failure than the 0.

[houndawg]

ASSGrease didn't have that kind of modern technology available to him when he was in charge of the Latrine Buffing Squadron.

Greasy actually did well in the military. Studied under some of the leading Latrine Buffer scientists the American military could afford. Here's a couple of em: Dr. Fritz Skidmark and Dr. F. Artman - both finalist for the Nobel and the Mr. Whipple awards for their groundbreaking research on spit-buffing toilet seats.

Left to right: Seaman ALPACAJIZZ! hands over command of Latrine Buffing Squadron to Rear Ensign ASSGreaseFun in Change of Command ceremony...

[D1B]

Greasy actually did well in the military. Studied under some of the leading Latrine Buffer scientists the American military could afford. Here's a couple of em: Dr. Fritz Skidmark and Dr. F. Artman - both finalist for the Nobel and the Mr. Whipple awards for their groundbreaking research on spit-buffing toilet seats.

Left to right: Seaman ALPACAJIZZ! hands over command of Latrine Buffing Squadron to Rear Ensign ASSGreaseFun in Change of Command ceremony...

Hail to the Commander we have chosen for the nation,
Hail to the Commander! We salute him, one and all.
Hail to the Commander, as we pledge cooperation
In proud fulfillment of a great, noble call.

Yours is the aim to make this grand country grander,
This you will do, that's our strong, firm belief.
Hail to the one we selected as commander,
Hail to our Leader! Hail to our leader!

[houndawg]

Giving you maybe an extra few hours to plan something. Yeah, nothing to it....

You would have lead the bleating and whimpering about our socialist prez wasting the lives of our brave troops on suicide missions if one of those missing SAMs had taken out a C-130 full of commandos or if they'd walked into a waiting ambush ala Somalia or suffered equipment failure ala Desert One. In the real world things go wrong, LB.

Of course things go wrong in the real world HD. The question is does the President sit back and watch them go wrong sacrificing Americans or does he take action to try and save Americans knowing there is a chance of failure?

As you pointed out Carter's rescue attempt failed in Iran in 1980, but since then we have spent billions to develop the right kind of aircraft (the Osprey) and tactics for just such a situation, should it happen again. It did and the Observer in Chief choose to do what he does best, sit back and observe Americans die, not try to take action to help Americans live. You know big 0 style leadership...

From where I stand Carter looks much more like a leader and less of a failure than the 0.

That's a good question. I wonder what President Carter's answer would be.

[houndawg]

Giving you maybe an extra few hours to plan something. Yeah, nothing to it....

You would have lead the bleating and whimpering about our socialist prez wasting the lives of our brave troops on suicide missions if one of those missing SAMs had taken out a C-130 full of commandos or if they'd walked into a waiting ambush ala Somalia or suffered equipment failure ala Desert One. In the real world things go wrong, LB.

Of course things go wrong in the real world HD. The question is does the President sit back and watch them go wrong sacrificing Americans or does he take action to try and save Americans knowing there is a chance of failure?

As you pointed out Carter's rescue attempt failed in Iran in 1980, but since then we have spent billions to develop the right kind of aircraft (the Osprey) and tactics for just such a situation, should it happen again. It did and the Observer in Chief choose to do what he does best, sit back and observe Americans die, not try to take action to help Americans live. You know big 0 style leadership...

From where I stand Carter looks much more like a leader and less of a failure than the 0.

[houndawg]

Of course things go wrong in the real world HD. The question is does the President sit back and watch them go wrong sacrificing Americans or does he take action to try and save Americans knowing there is a chance of failure?

As you pointed out Carter's rescue attempt failed in Iran in 1980, but since then we have spent billions to develop the right kind of aircraft (the Osprey) and tactics for just such a situation, should it happen again. It did and the Observer in Chief choose to do what he does best, sit back and observe Americans die, not try to take action to help Americans live. You know big 0 style leadership...

From where I stand Carter looks much more like a leader and less of a failure than the 0.

That's because from where you stand none of the blood got on you.

[D1B]

Greasy actually did well in the military. Studied under some of the leading Latrine Buffer scientists the American military could afford. Here's a couple of em: Dr. Fritz Skidmark and Dr. F. Artman - both finalist for the Nobel and the Mr. Whipple awards for their groundbreaking research on spit-buffing toilet seats.

Left to right: Seaman ALPACAJIZZ! hands over command of Latrine Buffing Squadron to Rear Ensign ASSGreaseFun in Change of Command ceremony...

Grease, giving back to the community through youth mentoring. Here's his latest group:



His Navy skills motivating youth and benefitting humanity

[LeadBolt]

That's because from where you stand none of the blood got on you.

Why don't you tell that to Christopher Stevens and the rest of those left behind that night.

[CAA Flagship]

Greasy actually did well in the military. Studied under some of the leading Latrine Buffer scientists the American military could afford. Here's a couple of em: Dr. Fritz Skidmark and Dr. F. Artman - both finalist for the Nobel and the Mr. Whipple awards for their groundbreaking research on spit-buffing toilet seats.

[AZGrizFan]

That's because from where you stand none of the blood got on you.

Why don't you tell that to Christopher Stevens and the rest of those left behind that night.

Just another day at the office, LB.

[LeadBolt]

Why don't you tell that to Christopher Stevens and the rest of those left behind that night.

Just another day at the office, LB.

Thanks, AZ. I need to do something positive and stop trying to educate the guys on the short bus that have the ability to do better, but chose to stay on the short bus because it feels safe to them and if they never try, they never fail and never grow.

[houndawg]

That's because from where you stand none of the blood got on you.

Why don't you tell that to Christopher Stevens and the rest of those left behind that night.

They knew it was dangerous work and that sometimes there is no safety net.

I'm still waiting for these retired military guys that were there to come out and say it could have been done. Carter Ham certainly didn't advocate strongly for the mission, he says he had troop but he doesn't seemed to have put up a very forceful argument for going in to Benghazi.

[houndawg]

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[AZGrizFan]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -time.html

Would be interesting to know the length of time between the start of the battle and the "scrambling" of the In-Extremis force...

[houndawg]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -time.html

Would be interesting to know the length of time between the start of the battle and the "scrambling" of the In-Extremis force...

Yes. The article says they weren't in Italy before the battle ended. Doubt there would have been any disagreement over scrambling the IEF.

[AZGrizFan]

Would be interesting to know the length of time between the start of the battle and the "scrambling" of the In-Extremis force...

Yes. The article says they weren't in Italy before the battle ended.

How long do you suppose the State Dept hemmed and hawed before they "scrambled" the force? 3 hours? 4 hours? longer?

[houndawg]

Yes. The article says they weren't in Italy before the battle ended.

How long do you suppose the State Dept hemmed and hawed before they "scrambled" the force? 3 hours? 4 hours? longer?

I think it would have been done by anyone on the scene ASAP, it was an easy order to give.

[CID1990]

Several weeks of intel...

Indicating Al Qaeda was going to attack assets in Benghazi

Several attacks that Al Qaeda had said they would carry out had already been carried out (like on the UK Ambassador)

I think the question here isn't whether or not military assets had time to respond. The question is - why weren't they in place ahead of time so that their ability to respond wouldn't have been an issue?

Could it be because Al Qaeda was on the run, Bin Laden was dead, and General Motors was alive?

Smells a lot like

Mission Accomplished

[AZGrizFan]

How long do you suppose the State Dept hemmed and hawed before they "scrambled" the force? 3 hours? 4 hours? longer?

I think it would have been done by anyone on the scene ASAP, it was an easy order to give.

They're all "easy" orders to give, houndawg. They just won't GIVE them.

[houndawg]

I think it would have been done by anyone on the scene ASAP, it was an easy order to give.

They're all "easy" orders to give, houndawg. They just won't GIVE them.

I mean that I would guess they scrambled the team as soon as they heard of the attack - regardless of subsequent debate about sending them in.

[houndawg]

Several weeks of intel...

Indicating Al Qaeda was going to attack assets in Benghazi

Several attacks that Al Qaeda had said they would carry out had already been carried out (like on the UK Ambassador)

I think the question here isn't whether or not military assets had time to respond. The question is - why weren't they in place ahead of time so that their ability to respond wouldn't have been an issue?

Could it be because Al Qaeda was on the run, Bin Laden was dead, and General Motors was alive?

Smells a lot like

Mission Accomplished

I think I read that they had a force in Tripoli but didn't want to leave the embassy undefended in case there were going to be more attacks.

[AZGrizFan]

They're all "easy" orders to give, houndawg. They just won't GIVE them.

I mean that I would guess they scrambled the team as soon as they heard of the attack - regardless of subsequent debate about sending them in.

And I would guess they hemmed and hawed for 2-3 hours before deciding to "scramble", thus not giving the team time enough to reach Italy and be deployed into the fight.

[houndawg]

I mean that I would guess they scrambled the team as soon as they heard of the attack - regardless of subsequent debate about sending them in.

And I would guess they hemmed and hawed for 2-3 hours before deciding to "scramble", thus not giving the team time enough to reach Italy and be deployed into the fight.

Maybe.....then again...maybe not......might have saved the troops from walking into a "Blackhawk Down" situation...

[AZGrizFan]

And I would guess they hemmed and hawed for 2-3 hours before deciding to "scramble", thus not giving the team time enough to reach Italy and be deployed into the fight.

Maybe.....then again...maybe not......might have saved the troops from walking into a "Blackhawk Down" situation...

Only that's what the troops TRAIN for...the Ambassador? Not so much...

[kalm]

Several weeks of intel...

Indicating Al Qaeda was going to attack assets in Benghazi

Several attacks that Al Qaeda had said they would carry out had already been carried out (like on the UK Ambassador)

I think the question here isn't whether or not military assets had time to respond. The question is - why weren't they in place ahead of time so that their ability to respond wouldn't have been an issue?

Could it be because Al Qaeda was on the run, Bin Laden was dead, and General Motors was alive?

Smells a lot like

Mission Accomplished

Are you implying that it was Obama's decision or lack of micro-managing that is at fault? Sort of like Bush ignoring the warnings regarding 9/11?

(serious question because this is your arena so to speak)