SUGGESTION BOX - WHAT WOULD MAKE THE FCS BETTER?

[kalm]

It took consistent playoff appearances, a national championship, red turf, and about 10 years to get us over the threshold. Like I said, we'd be DII or have no football. The Cougs, Vandals, and Huskies are playing tomorrow, you should check them out.

And u can thank ME for half of that. And like I said. If a school doesn't invest in their fb team enough to follow the rules or guidelines they can find a d2 home. Even if it's EWU. Game. Set. Match. BLACKFALKIN.


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Not very family like there bro beans.

[EWURanger]

The ability to review calls at all stadiums, especially in the Big Sky Conference!

This. FCS needs instant-replay, not just during the playoffs.


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[CAA Flagship]

I see a lot of talk here about attendance. That is not the measuring stick. It is only a related matter. The measuring stick is the size of the athletic budget. Attendance is only a piece of that on the revenue side. Don't get hung up on attendance. There are low attendance schools with big budgets and there are high attendance schools with low budgets. But if you don't have the budget, you will have a difficult time competing from one decade to another.

If the football landscape gets properly aligned, fans will have a better understanding of the schools involved and the interest level will be better IMO. In 2009, as Old Dominion prepared for it's first football season, I realized for the first time that not all FCS programs have 63 scholarships. I was horrified that many had 0. WTF? As I talk to others now, I share that knowledge with them and get a similar reaction. They are confused and don't know the difference between NDSU and Savannah St, EWU and Monmouth, Cal Poly and Jacksonville, Towson and Dayton, etc.

If we can get the full scholarship schools bunched together with the FBS castoffs, the group can be easily understood and followed. There is so much air time to be had that the TV contracts would be plentiful to help promote this level of football. Forget attendance. It is all about budgets and full scholarships can be worth far more than attendance revenue for most schools.

[kalm]

I see a lot of talk here about attendance. That is not the measuring stick. It is only a related matter. The measuring stick is the size of the athletic budget. Attendance is only a piece of that on the revenue side. Don't get hung up on attendance. There are low attendance schools with big budgets and there are high attendance schools with low budgets. But if you don't have the budget, you will have a difficult time competing from one decade to another.

If the football landscape gets properly aligned, fans will have a better understanding of the schools involved and the interest level will be better IMO. In 2009, as Old Dominion prepared for it's first football season, I realized for the first time that not all FCS programs have 63 scholarships. I was horrified that many had 0. WTF? As I talk to others now, I share that knowledge with them and get a similar reaction. They are confused and don't know the difference between NDSU and Savannah St, EWU and Monmouth, Cal Poly and Jacksonville, Towson and Dayton, etc.

If we can get the full scholarship schools bunched together with the FBS castoffs, the group can be easily understood and followed. There is so much air time to be had that the TV contracts would be plentiful to help promote this level of football. Forget attendance. It is all about budgets and full scholarships can be worth far more than attendance revenue for most schools.

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good post and I agree completely

[JayJ79]

No fields that look like bloody tampons.

No domes, either.

no stadiums over 2K elevation.

[93henfan]

No domes, either.

no stadiums over 2K elevation.

[grizzaholic]

no stadiums over 2K elevation.

[Grizalltheway]

Flatlanders.

[Keeper]

more, if not only, directionally-named schools.

[UNHWildcat18]

I think you need to take the full scholarship leagues and only allow them in playoffs, tell non 63 scholarship leagues to beat it. Or have two sets of playoffs, save one for the top (CAA Socon, MVFC, Big Sky, Southland) and have another playoff for the weaker and some non or reduced scholly leagues. It is hard though you have all these big time teams and state schools with success and bigger stadiums fbs upsets or competitive games. Then you have the BS schools that are small reduced scholly and out right shitty.

[BlackFalkin]

If you don't have 63 scholarships you shouldn't be called division 1.
If you don't have a stadium (CSU) you shouldn't be allowed in a d1 conf.
If you don't meet some sort of stadium regulations u shdnt be in a d1 conf.

If replay is at every game then it should be mandated that Every stadium have a video board. U guys are like football democrats, where the progress of the convoy is slowed by its weakest members.

:geniusatwork:


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[clenz]

BLACK FALKIN's suggestions:

1: I've said it before and Ill say it again. Conference mandated stadium capacity minimums/attendance minimums. I think the Big Sky shd set a minimum bar of 20k minimum Stadium capacity and 10k minimum avg attendance.. ppl inside the stadium gates. Or else you're out! 1st time warning w/1 season grace period.. not at quota by 2nd season after warning and YOU'RE OUT! btw before you wet your pants... 10k isn't that hard and if you don't want to invest in your program and put the best product out there, move outta D1!!

and that brings me to #2...

2: Remove at least 30-50 teams out of FCS into D2. Don't meet the attendance/ stadium requirements? find a D2 home. no harm no foul.. keep your team, keep your rival (via non-conf games whenever possible) but gtfoutta here. Don't Participate in playoffs? Gtfoutta here. keep your 'classics' and 200 year old annual rivalry games but don't call it FCS. Take your entire conference into Division 2 classification. This would cut the fat off of FCS ball, which holds it back imo.

3: Less cupcake(d2) games. More FCS v FCS non-conf games.


I love the FCS and that's my take. What do you think would make the FCS better?

Nothing you said makes sense...or can/will ever be done.


The fact there are only 3 conference (I believe) that are football only conferences (The MVFC, Pioneer, and CAA). That means schools from the Big Sky, Big South, Ivy, MEAC, NEC, OVC, Patriot, SoCon, Southland, and SWAC are tied in to roughly 13-15 other sports in the conference.

As much weight as football carries you will NEVER see that happen....ever...in any way, shape, or form......ever....

If college athletics were set up like the English Premier League it could happen....if rather than basing relegation on quality they based it on number of fans....which again will never happen....ever....anytime.....ever.....





I stopped reading at this post due to me having the Billy Madison reaction to it, so I'm sorry if this was covered somewhere

[clenz]

If you don't have 63 scholarships you shouldn't be called division 1.
If you don't have a stadium (CSU) you shouldn't be allowed in a d1 conf.
If you don't meet some sort of stadium regulations u shdnt be in a d1 conf.

If replay is at every game then it should be mandated that Every stadium have a video board. U guys are like football democrats, where the progress of the convoy is slowed by its weakest members.

:geniusatwork:


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You seem to struggle with the idea that football isn't the only sport under the D1 title....

It's D1 for every sport, or D1 for none (with a few small exceptions in the *minor* sports)

[JayJ79]

If you don't have 63 scholarships you shouldn't be called division 1.
If you don't have a stadium (CSU) you shouldn't be allowed in a d1 conf.
If you don't meet some sort of stadium regulations u shdnt be in a d1 conf.

I'm sure many FBS peeps have said the same thing in regards to FCS, since they don't have the full 85 scholarships.

Hell, the BCS peeps would like nothing better than to kick out anyone who doesn't have attendance averaging 50K or more.

[JayJ79]

It's D1 for every sport, or D1 for none (with a few small exceptions in the *minor* sports)

are there exceptions for anything other than ice hockey?

[clenz]

It's D1 for every sport, or D1 for none (with a few small exceptions in the *minor* sports)

are there exceptions for anything other than ice hockey?

If I had to guess...

fencing, lacrosse, swimming, water polo, field hockey, and possibly the rest of the *niche* sports

I know Johns Hopkins is either D2 or D3 (don't really care enough to find out which one) but plays D1 lacrosse and appears to compete against mostly all D1 (the schools I can't confirm as D1 I've never heard of and may be in the same boat as JH) in water polo and fencing

[clenz]

I also know that Wartburg (a D3 15 miles from UNI) is starting womens LAX in 2015. I don't know of any other D3 in the area that has LAX so I don't know if they will be D3 in that or not.

I'd also assume rugby is a "D1 varsity sport" or a club sport as well.

[clenz]

It appears that Lacrosse is available on it's own at the D3 level. I did some researching on the womens LAX and found that 2 other Iowa schools offer womens LAX (Luther and Dubuque). It seems as all 3 of them will play as "independents" at the D3 level which has about 215 teams

[BlackFalkin]

It appears that Lacrosse is available on it's own at the D3 level. I did some researching on the womens LAX and found that 2 other Iowa schools offer womens LAX (Luther and Dubuque). It seems as all 3 of them will play as "independents" at the D3 level which has about 215 teams

Okay so is it one or the other? Bc u are proving my point that it's easy to place ur fb team in one conf and the remaining sports in another. Example??? VILLANOVA!

Check.


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[Mvemjsunpx]

It appears that Lacrosse is available on it's own at the D3 level. I did some researching on the womens LAX and found that 2 other Iowa schools offer womens LAX (Luther and Dubuque). It seems as all 3 of them will play as "independents" at the D3 level which has about 215 teams

Okay so is it one or the other? Bc u are proving my point that it's easy to place ur fb team in one conf and the remaining sports in another. Example??? VILLANOVA!

Check.


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Uh… what?

If your athletic department is DI, you have to be DI in everything. The exception for minor sports only allows you to play up a level in the sport. You aren't allowed to drop to a lower NCAA level than your true level in anything.

And you must play at your true level in FB, MBB, and WBB. You can't even get a play-up exception in those.