Poll: Is Rand Paul Presidential Timber?

[DSUrocks07]

Until we truly move away from the two-party system, none of this shit will really matter. All of this talk of Libertarians, Blue Dogs and Tea Partiers, everyone still flies under the banners of Democrats and Republicans. Old hat.

And I am fully aware that the reason for that is that any more than two would require the American populace to spend more than five seconds taking their political affiliations under consideration and that will never happen.

[CID1990]

You kidding me? Z listens to tea party speeches while he chokes the pope.

The Tea Party has ruined the Republican Party.

You have it backwards. The Republican Party ruined itself 10 years ago when it elected a statist big spender to office. The Tea Party is a reaction to that, not the cause.

[BDKJMU]

Nah, it's curious that there are that brush aside one's fiscal irresponsibility when it's convenient.

I never did.

Fiscal irresponsibility is fiscal irresponsibility. I mentioned nothing of degrees of fiscal irresponsibility, if you and your fellow Tea Partiers take such issue with fiscal irresponsibility why did you wait until Bush was out of office to organize? Was his not damaging? Are Tea Partiers willing to tolerate some fiscal irresponsibility, but draw an arbitrary line at too much fiscal irresponsibility?

If you'd bothered to pay attention you would know that many TP protested Bush's spending.

And anyone with a lick of sense would know that these types of movements don't spring up in a few weeks or a few months but take years to form.

[Cap'n Cat]

The Tea Party has ruined the Republican Party.

You have it backwards. The Republican Party ruined itself 10 years ago when it elected a statist big spender to office. The Tea Party is a reaction to that, not the cause.

You have it doubly backwards, Fluffy. Early rumblings of problems with Goldwater which came to full collapse in the stink of a Reagan presidency (never mind Nixon). After that, each and every Conk has shit the bed at home and abroad, led most of the time by their PR guy, Der Rushster.


"Beats me, Baldy. Never figgered a niqqer in the White House, neither!"

[houndawg]

The Tea Party has ruined the Republican Party.

You have it backwards. The Republican Party ruined itself 10 years ago when it elected a statist big spender to office. The Tea Party is a reaction to that, not the cause.

Nonsense. Republicans have been electing statist big spenders since 1968 at least.

[Ibanez]

The Tea Party has ruined the Republican Party.

You have it backwards. The Republican Party ruined itself 10 years ago when it elected a statist big spender to office. The Tea Party is a reaction to that, not the cause.

The Tea Party are people that supported him and didn't organize until after he was out of office. They organized saying Obama would do things and he had only been in office for a few months.

Furthermore, most of you who are defending them are free-thinkers and care about personal freedoms. The Tea party, with their asinine stances on gay rights, would label you all the enemy.

Listen, i'm not a fan of the President. I didn't like the guy before him either. But an extreme, evangelical conservative group isn't the group to follow.

[Ibanez]

Nah, it's curious that there are that brush aside one's fiscal irresponsibility when it's convenient.

I never did.

Fiscal irresponsibility is fiscal irresponsibility. I mentioned nothing of degrees of fiscal irresponsibility, if you and your fellow Tea Partiers take such issue with fiscal irresponsibility why did you wait until Bush was out of office to organize? Was his not damaging? Are Tea Partiers willing to tolerate some fiscal irresponsibility, but draw an arbitrary line at too much fiscal irresponsibility?

If you'd bothered to pay attention you would know that many TP protested Bush's spending.

And anyone with a lick of sense would know that these types of movements don't spring up in a few weeks or a few months but take years to form.

You don't find it the least bit odd that a group of Republicans didn't criticize and protest a Republican President?

[houndawg]

Before voting on the question I would like a clarification on the phrase "Presidential Timber" - as in are we speaking in the metaphorical sense or in the Clintonian sense?

[Ivytalk]

Before voting on the question I would like a clarification on the phrase "Presidential Timber" - as in are we speaking in the metaphorical sense or in the Clintonian sense?

In the houndawg sense: nonsense!

[Ibanez]

Can't we agree that they all lie and suck ass?


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[BDKJMU]

I never did.



If you'd bothered to pay attention you would know that many TP protested Bush's spending.

And anyone with a lick of sense would know that these types of movements don't spring up in a few weeks or a few months but take years to form.

You don't find it the least bit odd that a group of Republicans didn't criticize and protest a Republican President?

JFC, most of the TP WERE protesting Bush's spending . The roots of the TP started during W's presidency.

And it's not "a group of Republicans". A lot of them AREN' T registered R....

[BDKJMU]

You have it backwards. The Republican Party ruined itself 10 years ago when it elected a statist big spender to office. The Tea Party is a reaction to that, not the cause.

The Tea Party are people that supported him and didn't organize until after he was out of office. They organized saying Obama would do things and he had only been in office for a few months.

Furthermore, most of you who are defending them are free-thinkers and care about personal freedoms. The Tea party, with their asinine stances on gay rights, would label you all the enemy.

Listen, i'm not a fan of the President. I didn't like the guy before him either. But an extreme, evangelical conservative group isn't the group to follow.

Wrong

[kalm]

The Tea Party is a grassroots movement that calls awareness to any issue which challenges the security, sovereignty, or domestic tranquility of our beloved nation, the United States of America. From our founding, the Tea Party represents the voice of the true owners of the United States: WE THE PEOPLE.

The Tea Party includes those who possess a strong belief in the foundational Judeo-Christian values embedded in our great founding documents. We believe the responsibility of our beloved nation is etched upon the hearts of true American Patriots from every race, religion, national origin, and walk of life sharing a common belief in the values which made and keep our beloved nation great. This belief led to the creation of the modern-day Tea Party.

Many Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and Independents identify with the premises set forth by the Tea Party Movement, which is striking a chord and ringing true with the American Spirit.

We stand by the Constitution as inherently conservative. We serve as a beacon to the masses that have lost their way, a light illuminating the path to the original intentions of our Founding Fathers. We must raise a choir of voices declaring America must stand on the values which made us great. Only then will the politically blind see and deaf hear!

By joining the Tea Party, you are taking a stand for our nation. You will be upholding the grand principles set forth in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.

Commonsense, Conservative, Constitutional Self-Governance Is Our Mode Of Operation. Yes, we are a Christian nation. However, you do not have to be a Christian to enjoy freedom. The Tea Party welcomes all red-blooded U.S. Citizens.

TeaParty.org is the only Tea Party organization praised by Dr. Michael Savage in his book, Trickle Up Poverty, pages 18 through 24. The book is highly recommended!

http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[houndawg]

The Tea Party is a grassroots movement that calls awareness to any issue which challenges the security, sovereignty, or domestic tranquility of our beloved nation, the United States of America. From our founding, the Tea Party represents the voice of the true owners of the United States: WE THE PEOPLE.

The Tea Party includes those who possess a strong belief in the foundational Judeo-Christian values embedded in our great founding documents. We believe the responsibility of our beloved nation is etched upon the hearts of true American Patriots from every race, religion, national origin, and walk of life sharing a common belief in the values which made and keep our beloved nation great. This belief led to the creation of the modern-day Tea Party.

Many Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and Independents identify with the premises set forth by the Tea Party Movement, which is striking a chord and ringing true with the American Spirit.

We stand by the Constitution as inherently conservative. We serve as a beacon to the masses that have lost their way, a light illuminating the path to the original intentions of our Founding Fathers. We must raise a choir of voices declaring America must stand on the values which made us great. Only then will the politically blind see and deaf hear!

By joining the Tea Party, you are taking a stand for our nation. You will be upholding the grand principles set forth in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.

Commonsense, Conservative, Constitutional Self-Governance Is Our Mode Of Operation.Yes, we are a Christian nation. However, you do not have to be a Christian to enjoy freedom. The Tea Party welcomes all red-blooded U.S. Citizens.

TeaParty.org is the only Tea Party organization praised by Dr. Michael Savage in his book, Trickle Up Poverty, pages 18 through 24. The book is highly recommended!

http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We haven't been a "christian nation" since at least 1790 when congress said we weren't a christian nation.

[CID1990]

You have it backwards. The Republican Party ruined itself 10 years ago when it elected a statist big spender to office. The Tea Party is a reaction to that, not the cause.

You have it doubly backwards, Fluffy. Early rumblings of problems with Goldwater which came to full collapse in the stink of a Reagan presidency (never mind Nixon). After that, each and every Conk has **** the bed at home and abroad, led most of the time by their PR guy, Der Rushster.


"Beats me, Baldy. Never figgered a niqqer in the White House, neither!"

Limbaugh is nothing more than a statist pig, just like his soul mate Hillary Clinton.

[CID1990]

You have it backwards. The Republican Party ruined itself 10 years ago when it elected a statist big spender to office. The Tea Party is a reaction to that, not the cause.

Furthermore, most of you who are defending them are free-thinkers and care about personal freedoms. The Tea party, with their asinine stances on gay rights, would label you all the enemy.

We must know different Tea Partiers, then.

I am not in the least bit concerned about the anti-gay faction. We are never going back, no matter what they might want. Might as well try to roll back social security.

There is a very large libertarian portion to the Tea Party, and when the dust settles it will be the libertarians at the center, and the nut jobs on the fringe with no political power.

Think of it as the Democratic Party without the statists, warmongers and tax n spenders.

Keep on fearing the Tea Party- you guys sound like Spankis.

[Ibanez]

Furthermore, most of you who are defending them are free-thinkers and care about personal freedoms. The Tea party, with their asinine stances on gay rights, would label you all the enemy.

We must know different Tea Partiers, then.

I am not in the least bit concerned about the anti-gay faction. We are never going back, no matter what they might want. Might as well try to roll back social security.

There is a very large libertarian portion to the Tea Party, and when the dust settles it will be the libertarians at the center, and the nut jobs on the fringe with no political power.

Think of it as the Democratic Party without the statists, warmongers and tax n spenders.

Keep on fearing the Tea Party- you guys sound like Spankis.

We must. I've had several conversations with Tim Scott and he's exactly as I have portrayed Tea Partiers.




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[Ibanez]

You don't find it the least bit odd that a group of Republicans didn't criticize and protest a Republican President?

JFC, most of the TP WERE protesting Bush's spending . The roots of the TP started during W's presidency.

And it's not "a group of Republicans". A lot of them AREN' T registered R....

no they weren't. I was there, you weren't. These republicans didn't care until a democrat was in office. Being registered means nothing, especially in South Carolina where you don't have to register with a party. Try again sir.


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[Ibanez]

The Tea Party are people that supported him and didn't organize until after he was out of office. They organized saying Obama would do things and he had only been in office for a few months.

Furthermore, most of you who are defending them are free-thinkers and care about personal freedoms. The Tea party, with their asinine stances on gay rights, would label you all the enemy.

Listen, i'm not a fan of the President. I didn't like the guy before him either. But an extreme, evangelical conservative group isn't the group to follow.

Wrong

Yeah? Look at their comments on gays and abortion.


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[CID1990]

We must know different Tea Partiers, then.

I am not in the least bit concerned about the anti-gay faction. We are never going back, no matter what they might want. Might as well try to roll back social security.

There is a very large libertarian portion to the Tea Party, and when the dust settles it will be the libertarians at the center, and the nut jobs on the fringe with no political power.

Think of it as the Democratic Party without the statists, warmongers and tax n spenders.

Keep on fearing the Tea Party- you guys sound like Spankis.

We must. I've had several conversations with Tim Scott and he's exactly as I have portrayed Tea Partiers.




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We must know different Tim Scotts then, I've known him since County Council.

[BDKJMU]

JFC, most of the TP WERE protesting Bush's spending . The roots of the TP started during W's presidency.

And it's not "a group of Republicans". A lot of them AREN' T registered R....

no they weren't. I was there, you weren't. These republicans didn't care until a democrat was in office. Being registered means nothing, especially in South Carolina where you don't have to register with a party. Try again sir.


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You were where?

And no one cares you sent this from your I-Phone.....

[Skjellyfetti]

JFC, most of the TP WERE protesting Bush's spending . The roots of the TP started during W's presidency.

Started with Ron Paul's 2008 campaign, imo.

Go back and look at 2006 midterm elections. There was absolutely no tea party presence in any race I'm aware of.

[AZGrizFan]

JFC, most of the TP WERE protesting Bush's spending . The roots of the TP started during W's presidency.

Started with Ron Paul's 2008 campaign, imo.

Go back and look at 2006 midterm elections. There was absolutely no tea party presence in any race I'm aware of.

There was also no TARP, no "stimulus", and no bailouts either.

[Ibanez]

We must. I've had several conversations with Tim Scott and he's exactly as I have portrayed Tea Partiers.




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We must know different Tim Scotts then, I've known him since County Council.

Listen to his message. If Tea Partiers were truly more Libertarian, their social message would be more liberal. I'm all for a balanced budget, reducing spending, eliminating waste (even if that means my job goes away). Negotiating is the job of a Congressman. you can't get everything you want, all the time. Or even some of the time. There are others in the country and we must compromise. That does not mean you compromise your principles. The TPs are hardliners that have pushed out the politicians that actually worked across the isle. I may not agree with Lindsey Graham, but he will occasionally work with a democrat. This isn't a Red or blue country, and they've forgotten that.


The same could be said for any politician these days...we are so screwed.

[Ibanez]

no they weren't. I was there, you weren't. These republicans didn't care until a democrat was in office. Being registered means nothing, especially in South Carolina where you don't have to register with a party. Try again sir.


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You were where?

And no one cares you sent this from your I-Phone.....

Dumbfuck. Go back and read.