Woman illegally arrested police...

[CID1990]

Which mandatory arrest laws were the Redmond police ignoring? Because the mandatory arrest laws I am familiar with deal with domestic violence and you ignore them at your peril.

You don't even read my posts do you...

I sure do- that's why I asked the question.

[YoUDeeMan]

You need to accept that you simply will never be cool enough for Banjo and stop letting the envy make you such an ugly, hateful, person.

Admit it, the sight of a banjo makes you wish you were squealing like a pig.

[houndawg]

That sounds great, but I guess I'd like to know what mandatory arrest laws you think are OK for a cop to look the other way. Are we talking about an open container in your front yard?

Well that's a long answer but suffice to say:
County and City Police FIRST need to actually understand the laws that are mandatory arrest
1) Domestic violence
2) Driving while under the influence (Washington State claims to have the toughest in the Nation)

All others on the books for King County and Seattle are ignored...
There are no Mandatory arrest laws related to City or National parks according to my Lawyer friends who have examined the video in question and said: That would NEVER happen in King County

[CID1990]

Okay Cluck Welcome to AMERICA...
Those police officers were under NO OBLIGATION what-so-ever to arrest that woman
There is complete legal historical immunity of officers in cases such as that where NO ACTION is completely acceptable and common...

In Cases where there is no immanent danger (Domestic Violence is the exception)
There has never been a case in the US where an officer was held liable for NO ACTION
They are in effect Immune to prosecution (for no action)



Please find a case in the US that contradicts these finding
That is not an immanent danger case / and good luck
I'm interested to see what you come up with...

I look forward to being corrected on this

Now you are absolutely correct about this one...

There is also no obligation to protect on the part of law enforcement, either.

BUT- police officers daily deal with the reality that if they do not "do something" they will be riding a desk at best or out of work at worst.

I saw this BS for nearly two decades in law enforcement. It is intellectually lazy to blame the police officers only for things like this. There are brigades of politicians, police chiefs and voters who demand action in cases like these, and they hold your livelihood over your head.

Yes, these guys could have used discretion, but it would have wound up causing them way more discomfort than just having a few Internet trolls calling them goons. At the end of the day their response was within the law, which they can shield themselves with and THAT is what you should be annoyed about.

As for mandatory arrest laws.... why do you think they exist in the first place? Somebody used a little too much discretion.....

[89Hen]

Follow up to this story. Take it FWIW...

http://citypaper.net/article.php?Q-A-Pe ... ates-16088

I joined [the Army] shortly after 9/11, but it wasn't because I was like, "Let's go get those fuckers!" I wanted to be a journalist. A recruiter got my name from the community college i was attending in upstate New York, and said "What are you studying?" and I said, "I want to be a journalist." And he said, "I can get you a journalism job in the Army."

I thought, "I can go and cover the shit that's about to go down." I wasn't joining to be a fucking soldier. I was joining the military so I could be a reporter on the frontline of whatever was happening — and then it turns out that, in the Army, a journalist is a public affairs specialist. I ended up being back in the states and then having to go to Iraq and write all these stories that would make it seem to the soldiers and the general public that we were doing awesome work in Iraq.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Follow up to this story. Take it FWIW...

http://citypaper.net/article.php?Q-A-Pe ... ates-16088

I joined [the Army] shortly after 9/11, but it wasn't because I was like, "Let's go get those fuckers!" I wanted to be a journalist. A recruiter got my name from the community college i was attending in upstate New York, and said "What are you studying?" and I said, "I want to be a journalist." And he said, "I can get you a journalism job in the Army."

I thought, "I can go and cover the shit that's about to go down." I wasn't joining to be a fucking soldier. I was joining the military so I could be a reporter on the frontline of whatever was happening — and then it turns out that, in the Army, a journalist is a public affairs specialist. I ended up being back in the states and then having to go to Iraq and write all these stories that would make it seem to the soldiers and the general public that we were doing awesome work in Iraq.

No matter your "Job" in the military, you are always a soldier/grunt/sailor/airmen/etc first. They do give the marines extra crayons to play with, or maybe that is just what 93 has told me.

[Chizzang]

Okay Cluck Welcome to AMERICA...
Those police officers were under NO OBLIGATION what-so-ever to arrest that woman
There is complete legal historical immunity of officers in cases such as that where NO ACTION is completely acceptable and common...

In Cases where there is no immanent danger (Domestic Violence is the exception)
There has never been a case in the US where an officer was held liable for NO ACTION
They are in effect Immune to prosecution (for no action)



Please find a case in the US that contradicts these finding
That is not an immanent danger case / and good luck
I'm interested to see what you come up with...

I look forward to being corrected on this

Now you are absolutely correct about this one...

There is also no obligation to protect on the part of law enforcement, either.

BUT- police officers daily deal with the reality that if they do not "do something" they will be riding a desk at best or out of work at worst.

I saw this BS for nearly two decades in law enforcement. It is intellectually lazy to blame the police officers only for things like this. There are brigades of politicians, police chiefs and voters who demand action in cases like these, and they hold your livelihood over your head.

Yes, these guys could have used discretion, but it would have wound up causing them way more discomfort than just having a few Internet trolls calling them goons. At the end of the day their response was within the law, which they can shield themselves with and THAT is what you should be annoyed about.

As for mandatory arrest laws.... why do you think they exist in the first place? Somebody used a little too much discretion.....

Understood,
But each town should be deciding (to some extent) how they want their officers to behave...
In Redmond / Bellevue Washington area they don't want the police "touching" peaceful citizens

There is a whole bunch of "Non-action" from the police out here
and that's the way we like it...
Some of the Seattle Arrests were used as examples of "what NOT to do in Redmond"
During the Occupy Movement

Note:
A banjo playing Hippie Chick protesting in a park would die of boredom in Redmond...
Nobody would care (especially the police and City Parks & Rec)

[89Hen]

A banjo playing Hippie Chick protesting in a park would die of boredom in Redmond...

They why do you have so many?

[YoUDeeMan]

A banjo playing Hippie Chick protesting in a park would die of boredom in Redmond...

They why do you have so many?

Misery loves company.

[Gil Dobie]

I have no problem with protesting the war or impending war. Looks like park rangers and not police arrested her in the first place. Doesn't sound like it was about the 1st amendment from what this story says. Ranger Ibanez is to blame

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On August 31, 2013, at approximately 3:25 p.m., NPS Ranger Eli Bowers, on duty and in uniform, approached a woman who was standing on federal property in Independence National Historical Park (“the Park”). The woman was standing in an area closed to the public inside the Park… At that time, the area was fenced off with “bicycle rack” fencing and closed for emergency use by the NPS and Philadelphia law enforcement officers to process evidence seized, if any, at an unpermitted marijuana legalization rally that was to take place later that afternoon. In fact, later that day, officers used the closed area to catalog the seizure of marijuana from several people who openly smoked marijuana at that rally.

When Ranger Bowers approached the woman who was standing in the closed area he asked her to leave the closed area. The woman refused to leave. Ranger Bowers repeated his request and the woman again refused to leave. Ranger Bowers then ordered the woman to leave the closed area and gave her one minute to comply with his order. The woman did not comply with his order and did not leave the closed area at the conclusion of the one minute.

Ranger Bowers and United States Fish and Wildlife Service Officer Derik Pinsonneault then took hold of the woman’s arms to escort her from the area. The woman actively resisted the officers by tensing her arms and fists and by trying to pull away. As Ranger Bowers attempted to place her in handcuffs, the woman leaned over a bench and began kicking Ranger Bowers and other officers who came to assist. The officers had to restrain each of her legs in order to control her. The officers eventually handcuffed the woman and carried her to a more secure area approximately ten yards away where officers checked her for weapons.

The woman continued to kick at officers and scratched NPS Ranger Layla Schade, who was trying to control the woman’s hands. Schade ordered the woman to stop scratching, and other officers ordered the woman to stop kicking. The woman responded to these orders with screams and expletives and she continued resisting. After an officer had checked her for weapons, officers carried the woman ten more yards to an NPS patrol car while she continued kicking at officers.

Officers placed the woman in the back seat… As Ranger Bowers was leaning in to secure the seatbelt, the woman spit in Ranger Bowers face, spraying saliva on his face. The woman then attempted to bite Ranger Juan Ibanez who was trying to restrain the woman…

[Ibanez]

I have no problem with protesting the war or impending war. Looks like park rangers and not police arrested her in the first place. Doesn't sound like it was about the 1st amendment from what this story says. Ranger Ibanez is to blame

Link

On August 31, 2013, at approximately 3:25 p.m., NPS Ranger Eli Bowers, on duty and in uniform, approached a woman who was standing on federal property in Independence National Historical Park (“the Park”). The woman was standing in an area closed to the public inside the Park… At that time, the area was fenced off with “bicycle rack” fencing and closed for emergency use by the NPS and Philadelphia law enforcement officers to process evidence seized, if any, at an unpermitted marijuana legalization rally that was to take place later that afternoon. In fact, later that day, officers used the closed area to catalog the seizure of marijuana from several people who openly smoked marijuana at that rally.

When Ranger Bowers approached the woman who was standing in the closed area he asked her to leave the closed area. The woman refused to leave. Ranger Bowers repeated his request and the woman again refused to leave. Ranger Bowers then ordered the woman to leave the closed area and gave her one minute to comply with his order. The woman did not comply with his order and did not leave the closed area at the conclusion of the one minute.

Ranger Bowers and United States Fish and Wildlife Service Officer Derik Pinsonneault then took hold of the woman’s arms to escort her from the area. The woman actively resisted the officers by tensing her arms and fists and by trying to pull away. As Ranger Bowers attempted to place her in handcuffs, the woman leaned over a bench and began kicking Ranger Bowers and other officers who came to assist. The officers had to restrain each of her legs in order to control her. The officers eventually handcuffed the woman and carried her to a more secure area approximately ten yards away where officers checked her for weapons.

The woman continued to kick at officers and scratched NPS Ranger Layla Schade, who was trying to control the woman’s hands. Schade ordered the woman to stop scratching, and other officers ordered the woman to stop kicking. The woman responded to these orders with screams and expletives and she continued resisting. After an officer had checked her for weapons, officers carried the woman ten more yards to an NPS patrol car while she continued kicking at officers.

Officers placed the woman in the back seat… As Ranger Bowers was leaning in to secure the seatbelt, the woman spit in Ranger Bowers face, spraying saliva on his face. The woman then attempted to bite Ranger Juan Ibanez who was trying to restrain the woman…

Fucking Ibanez


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[HI54UNI]

I have no problem with protesting the war or impending war. Looks like park rangers and not police arrested her in the first place. Doesn't sound like it was about the 1st amendment from what this story says. Ranger Ibanez is to blame

Link

On August 31, 2013, at approximately 3:25 p.m., NPS Ranger Eli Bowers, on duty and in uniform, approached a woman who was standing on federal property in Independence National Historical Park (“the Park”). The woman was standing in an area closed to the public inside the Park… At that time, the area was fenced off with “bicycle rack” fencing and closed for emergency use by the NPS and Philadelphia law enforcement officers to process evidence seized, if any, at an unpermitted marijuana legalization rally that was to take place later that afternoon. In fact, later that day, officers used the closed area to catalog the seizure of marijuana from several people who openly smoked marijuana at that rally.

When Ranger Bowers approached the woman who was standing in the closed area he asked her to leave the closed area. The woman refused to leave. Ranger Bowers repeated his request and the woman again refused to leave. Ranger Bowers then ordered the woman to leave the closed area and gave her one minute to comply with his order. The woman did not comply with his order and did not leave the closed area at the conclusion of the one minute.

Ranger Bowers and United States Fish and Wildlife Service Officer Derik Pinsonneault then took hold of the woman’s arms to escort her from the area. The woman actively resisted the officers by tensing her arms and fists and by trying to pull away. As Ranger Bowers attempted to place her in handcuffs, the woman leaned over a bench and began kicking Ranger Bowers and other officers who came to assist. The officers had to restrain each of her legs in order to control her. The officers eventually handcuffed the woman and carried her to a more secure area approximately ten yards away where officers checked her for weapons.

The woman continued to kick at officers and scratched NPS Ranger Layla Schade, who was trying to control the woman’s hands. Schade ordered the woman to stop scratching, and other officers ordered the woman to stop kicking. The woman responded to these orders with screams and expletives and she continued resisting. After an officer had checked her for weapons, officers carried the woman ten more yards to an NPS patrol car while she continued kicking at officers.

Officers placed the woman in the back seat… As Ranger Bowers was leaning in to secure the seatbelt, the woman spit in Ranger Bowers face, spraying saliva on his face. The woman then attempted to bite Ranger Juan Ibanez who was trying to restrain the woman…

Too bad they didn't do this to her. Or taze her.

[kalm]

I have no problem with protesting the war or impending war. Looks like park rangers and not police arrested her in the first place. Doesn't sound like it was about the 1st amendment from what this story says. Ranger Ibanez is to blame

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Too bad they didn't do this to her. Or taze her.

Yes, banjo playing hippies should be dealt with EXACTLY like that.

[Gil Dobie]

Yes, banjo playing hippies should be dealt with EXACTLY like that.

Only the ones that kick officers like drunk hockey goalies.

Police had to spray Belfour with Mace, but the 34-year-old player continued to resist them, kicking two officers in the chest as they tried to restrain him, according to the report.

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[HI54UNI]

Too bad they didn't do this to her. Or taze her.

Yes, banjo playing hippies should be dealt with EXACTLY like that.

Gotta admit it would be funny to watch. Plus the pepper spray would probably improve the smell.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Yes, banjo playing hippies should be dealt with EXACTLY like that.

Gotta admit it would be funny to watch. Plus the pepper spray would probably improve the smell.

You might be able to market that as a deorderant.....peppered hippie funk