The Perfect Republican Candidate...

[kalm]

Reagan (mostly his handlers) created virtually all the problems, foreign and domestic, we find ourselves mired in today. Sanctimonious, self-righteous cocksucker.

Just as people who lionize Reagan pump up his positive contributions too much, so do the people, like Cappy, who despise the guy overly hyperbolize his faults. And you can't get more hyperbolized than this - reall, virtually all of the problems we have are due to him? Come on Cappy, you used to be better than this. Age is not improving the quality of your message board postings.

Hyperbole? Sure. But Reagan has got to be the most over-rated Pres. In our lifetimes. And Cappy's right, it has quite a bit to do with his handlers/appointees. See end-timer James Watt.

And Reaganomics was, and still is essentially embraced by both parties.

He was destructive Ganny...and a terrible influence on our society.

[AZGrizFan]

He was destructive Ganny...and a terrible influence on our society.

You just described Obama in a nutshell.

[GannonFan]

I'm always skeptical of people trying to take one or two past elections and saying that those elections will play out similiarly for years to come. The Dems thought the GOP was irrelevant and destined to lose elections for as far as the eye could see after the demolition in 2008, only to have the Dems implode and not only lose a super majority but lose one of the Houses of Congress in the very next election in 2010. And considering that both parties pretty much held serve in 2012 (neither party losing anything they already had) I don't see how anyone could say one party or the other is not electable at this time. Politics have very short memories, and there's always another election coming up.

You're talking about congressional races and I'm talking about the presidential race. The republicans may have made big gains in 2010 but that does not mean McCain would have a snowballs chance to beat Obama if the presidential race had occurred in 2010. The republicans don't have the terrorism issues to rally around as a lot of right-of-center folks are getting wary of wars and domestic spying. The donks just have a more cohesive coalition of different types of voters they can get under one tent. Unless there's another major terrorist attack or the economy really takes a turn for the worse the donks will win the next presidential election.

McCain wouldn't have beaten Obama not because of the parties they represent, but because it was McCain vs. Obama. If you're just going to focus on the Presidential elections, you have to start moving away from parties and instead get into the personal. People didn't elect Obama because he was a Democrat, people elected Obama because they liked him as a person and as a potential President, much more than they liked McCain. Same with Obama versus Romney in 2012. Same as Bush versus Kerry and Gore in '04 and '00 respectively. And it's hard to look at an incumbent Presidential election and draw much - it takes a huge, huge dissatisfaction with a current President to have them lose an election. 2016 will be less about the parties involved and much more about the personalities involved - do people like Hillary more than they like Christie? That's where the election is really won or lost, not on who has an "R" or a "D" after their names.

[GannonFan]

Just as people who lionize Reagan pump up his positive contributions too much, so do the people, like Cappy, who despise the guy overly hyperbolize his faults. And you can't get more hyperbolized than this - reall, virtually all of the problems we have are due to him? Come on Cappy, you used to be better than this. Age is not improving the quality of your message board postings.

Hyperbole? Sure. But Reagan has got to be the most over-rated Pres. In our lifetimes. And Cappy's right, it has quite a bit to do with his handlers/appointees. See end-timer James Watt.

And Reaganomics was, and still is essentially embraced by both parties.

He was destructive Ganny...and a terrible influence on our society.

Well, my lifetime doesn't go too far back (Nixon actually) so it's not all that hard to be the most overrated President in that timeframe since we're only talking about 8 Presidents and most rational people would only heap high marks on two of those Presidents (Reagan and Clinton). So sure, Reagan is more overrated than Clinton is. Super argument. Doesn't mean he was the root of all the problems we have today, and that also ignores the problems we had before he came to office that he helped to eradicate. He certainly wasn't the god-send that his supporters make him out to be, but most rational folks will admit that he did a lot more good than bad during his time in office.

But what's been so bad about the past 30 years since Reagan came to office. Again, you always sound like some weird conservative type who only fondly thinks back to the glory years of the late 50's when all was well. We can't go back in time and pretend the world and time isn't moving on, no matter how much you seem to want that to be the case. Hey, I love being able to go to any store or website and buy any phone I want rather than having to go down to the Ma Bell store and picking out a phone from their limited selection. I like paying 4% interest on my home mortgage rather than the 18% interest my father had to pay on his less than 30 years ago. I like that my kids have been on double digit airplane flights rather than the single one I went on before I was 15 because flying was so expensive back in the day. Why is that a bad thing? Why is that destructive. You and Cappy sound like old guys who think the music is too loud today and wish these young kids would just realize the perfection that was what you thought your youth was. Heck, you're like the American auto industry was - too inflexible and resistant to change that when change happened you just fade away. I'm sorry that you can't seem to adapt with the times. Maybe Cappy can get you into whatever over-55 community he's staking out right now and you guys can both spend the rest of your years bemoaning modern culture while listening to your Def Leppard songs on your Sony walkman.

[kalm]

He was destructive Ganny...and a terrible influence on our society.

You just described Obama in a nutshell.

At this point I'm in agreement. I'm also willing to look back 30 years from now and compare...

[kalm]

Hyperbole? Sure. But Reagan has got to be the most over-rated Pres. In our lifetimes. And Cappy's right, it has quite a bit to do with his handlers/appointees. See end-timer James Watt.

And Reaganomics was, and still is essentially embraced by both parties.

He was destructive Ganny...and a terrible influence on our society.

I agree!

[Skjellyfetti]

Reagan was certainly right on some things.

Had a better policy on illegal immigration than Obama.

[Ibanez]

Can you tell me how many sitting presidents HAVEN'T been reelected in the last 50 years?

Rhetorical question: TWO. No matter the incomptence level, it's VERY difficult to unseat an incumbent...they have ALL the advantages....Bush and Obama are two shining examples of THAT.

FOUR.

Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Bush.

JFK was dead and Johnson didn't seek it. Try again.

[GannonFan]

Just as people who lionize Reagan pump up his positive contributions too much, so do the people, like Cappy, who despise the guy overly hyperbolize his faults. And you can't get more hyperbolized than this - reall, virtually all of the problems we have are due to him? Come on Cappy, you used to be better than this. Age is not improving the quality of your message board postings.

Ganny,
I've documented in my posts for years at AGS and here the seamy effects of Reaganism on our nation. It was an abomination and the guy (again, mostly his handlers) left us in a **** situation. He did not get the world to respect us, for example. He got the world to fear and loath us, something taken to full advantage and deadly extreme by subsequent Conks. His "trickle down" has been proven to be, indeed, "voodoo economics" and has never worked. The quality of your posts (most of which are excellent) suffers when you put on the red, white and blue glasses, amigo.
And, regarding my posts, you're right, age has not improved the quality of some of my posts. Nevertheless, I am a senior poster here and my word is that of God most of the time.

Thank you,

Cap'n Cat
CS Legacy Poster

Now see, that's a post with a little effort. Almost brings a tear to my eye to see Cappy tee one up again. Almost like when Arnold Palmer and those other old guys tee off at Augusta every year. They don't finish the hole, but it looks great in a 5 second video highlight.

Newsflash here, the world hasn't really respected the US since about 10 minutes after WWII was done and dusted. And they didn't really respect us much before that. Let's face it, it's hard being #1, everyone's gunning for you. You being a Northern Iowa alum, I don't fault you for not really knowing how it feels to be #1. There's plenty of people who don't like us for that, and there's plenty more who don't like us for what we are - a free nation where people can generally do whatever the heck they want to do, yes, even the women, and that really pisses them off. As the esteemed poet JT said, cry me a river.

As for the Reagonomics, hey, it's a mixed bag, but we've had about 3 decades worth of sustained economic growth and technological explosion that probably wasn't coming during the stagflation days of the guy who came before Reagan. Even if it's not perfect, the magnitude of the attitude shift can't be dismissed. It was a good thing, and continues to be today.

[AZGrizFan]

FOUR.

Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Bush.

JFK was dead and Johnson didn't seek it. Try again.

Well, according to Wikipedia, Johnson DID actually seek it, but performed so badly in early primaries that he withdrew.

[Ibanez]

JFK was dead and Johnson didn't seek it. Try again.

Well, according to Wikipedia, Johnson DID actually seek it, but performed so badly in early primaries that he withdrew.

Did he? I should've figured that he would at least test the waters.

I went back to look up the date of his speech, it was March 31, 1968.

[houndawg]

Well, according to Wikipedia, Johnson DID actually seek it, but performed so badly in early primaries that he withdrew.

Did he? I should've figured that he would at least test the waters.

I went back to look up the date of his speech, it was March 31, 1968.

He was talking about sitting Presidents that didn't get re-elected.

Kennedy was a sitting president who didn't get re-elected.

[houndawg]

They'll win no matter what, son.

Because they breed faster than we do.

That's because most women won't have sex with Republicans and the ones that will are past breeding age. Not our problem.

[houndawg]

The social issues have KILLED Republicans............they can be the best thing since sliced bread in every fiscal and foreign policy category..........but a majority have spoked loud and clear that:

1. They don't want the government telling people who they should sleep with or discriminating against people because of their sexuality. This plays across all political spectrums as just about everyone knows a family member, friend or associate who is gay.

2. Women don't want to be told what to do with their bodies......period.

3. Hispanics don't want to be treated like sh*t.

It's a conundrum for sure.........but with Baby Boomers dying off and more people jumping off the organized religion ship.........it ain't rocket science, idiots!!!

That's because conks talk big smack about individual liberties but legislate against those same liberties, with the exception of gun ownership.

[houndawg]

Just as people who lionize Reagan pump up his positive contributions too much, so do the people, like Cappy, who despise the guy overly hyperbolize his faults. And you can't get more hyperbolized than this - reall, virtually all of the problems we have are due to him? Come on Cappy, you used to be better than this. Age is not improving the quality of your message board postings.

Hyperbole? Sure. But Reagan has got to be the most over-rated Pres. In our lifetimes. And Cappy's right, it has quite a bit to do with his handlers/appointees. See end-timer James Watt.

And Reaganomics was, and still is essentially embraced by both parties.

He was destructive Ganny...and a terrible influence on our society.

He should never have stopped listening to Nancy's astrologer.

[Ivytalk]

Because they breed faster than we do.

That's because most women won't have sex with Republicans and the ones that will are past breeding age. Not our problem.

And I guess you'll settle for sex with cows, John Deere.

[AZGrizFan]

The social issues have KILLED Republicans............they can be the best thing since sliced bread in every fiscal and foreign policy category..........but a majority have spoked loud and clear that:

1. They don't want the government telling people who they should sleep with or discriminating against people because of their sexuality. This plays across all political spectrums as just about everyone knows a family member, friend or associate who is gay.

2. Women don't want to be told what to do with their bodies......period.

3. Hispanics don't want to be treated like sh*t.

It's a conundrum for sure.........but with Baby Boomers dying off and more people jumping off the organized religion ship.........it ain't rocket science, idiots!!!

That's because conks talk big smack about individual liberties but legislate against those same liberties, with the exception of gun ownership.

Yep. I gotta agree with you, and it's why I haven't voted conk in 5 years...their rabid focus on irrelevant social issues is just stupid, the treatment of minorities borders on criminal, and has cost the party multiple seats in congress, as well as the white house.