No I didn't know that. Go ahead and tell me what happened.Vick didn't really go to jail because of the fighting...you do know that, right?
They are two living things. I think the fact that you accept and condone cruelty to animals is a testament to how screwed in the head you are. Seriously, how can you justify hurting something that is so innocent?JohnStOnge wrote:I can't believe you just apparently equated leaving a dog in a car unattended to leaving a human child in the a vehicle unattended. That, to me, says it all about how screwed up in the head our culture has become when it comes to outlook towards animals of other species.**** you. You wouldn't do that to a child. Animals are capable of suffering and feeling pain. Christ, you are **** in the head.
I am not missing that at all. If people want to "empathize" with the suffering of dumb animals that's fine. But, to me, we're crossing the line when that empathy is translated into laws that interfere with what people do with the animals THEY own. It's a "none of your business" situation.The part he's missing is that WE are not dumb animals (most of the time) and as such we should be able to empathize with the suffering of a dumb animal, and act on it if needs be.
The dog fighting was a small part of it, but the federal gaming laws about conducting conducting galling enterprises across state lines was a large part of it.JohnStOnge wrote:No I didn't know that. Go ahead and tell me what happened.Vick didn't really go to jail because of the fighting...you do know that, right?
But I won't be surprised to find that, regardless of the specific charge that landed him in prison, the fact that our society feels the need to do something so ridiculous as worry about what people do with their own dogs is going to be at the root of it and that he never would've been in any trouble if there were no laws against dog fighting.
It doesn't matter. I do think you probably over estimate the extent to which dogs feel emotion in the sense that we do. But even if they did it does not matter.The fact you feel that Vick was justified in electricuting, hanging, drowning, starving, and burying foods alive is beyond **** up though....even if you want to pretend dogs don't feel pain, sadness, joy, etc... even though that's a proven fact.
Being a libertarian and decency are not mutually exclusive.∞∞∞ wrote:JSO is living proof that libertarianism doesn't work...
I know. Should have made it clear that I meant as a form of government (or lack thereof).CID1990 wrote:Being a libertarian and decency are not mutually exclusive.∞∞∞ wrote:JSO is living proof that libertarianism doesn't work...
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Pain and fear aren't human emotions. You're a cold, callous and evil person. We are the superior species and its our job to look after those beneath us. Gy would you accept the suffering of an animal, just because its "beneath" you? You have such a fucked up POV I can't wait for baby boomers like you to be gone.JohnStOnge wrote:I am not missing that at all. If people want to "empathize" with the suffering of dumb animals that's fine. But, to me, we're crossing the line when that empathy is translated into laws that interfere with what people do with the animals THEY own. It's a "none of your business" situation.The part he's missing is that WE are not dumb animals (most of the time) and as such we should be able to empathize with the suffering of a dumb animal, and act on it if needs be.
If a person wants to delude themselves into thinking their dog has human emotions and feelings that's fine. If they want to pathologically establish an emotional connection with an animal of another species that doesn't even have self awareness that's fine too. But don't throw OTHER PEOPLE in jail for what they do to and/or with THEIR animals. It doesn't involve or impact you at all. It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
It does matter. You feel you are justified with torturing animals. Pretty sick.JohnStOnge wrote:It doesn't matter. I do think you probably over estimate the extent to which dogs feel emotion in the sense that we do. But even if they did it does not matter.The fact you feel that Vick was justified in electricuting, hanging, drowning, starving, and burying foods alive is beyond **** up though....even if you want to pretend dogs don't feel pain, sadness, joy, etc... even though that's a proven fact.
We made a huge mistake, as a culture, by ever going down the road of worrying about what animals of other species feel and experience to the point of telling people what they can and cannot do with the animals they own. It's going to get nothi9ng but worse.
If you want to be nice to animals, fine. If you want to think badly of people who aren't nice to their animals, fine. But insisting on legal consequences for other people doing whatever they want to do with the animals they own is not fine. It's over the top. It's insane even if the madness afflicts an overwhelming majority of those in the culture.
I don't think there should be legal consequences. I think that if you leave your dog in a car with the windows up, I should be able to beat you within an inch of your life and the go roll your window down. No legal consequences required.JohnStOnge wrote:It doesn't matter. I do think you probably over estimate the extent to which dogs feel emotion in the sense that we do. But even if they did it does not matter.The fact you feel that Vick was justified in electricuting, hanging, drowning, starving, and burying foods alive is beyond **** up though....even if you want to pretend dogs don't feel pain, sadness, joy, etc... even though that's a proven fact.
We made a huge mistake, as a culture, by ever going down the road of worrying about what animals of other species feel and experience to the point of telling people what they can and cannot do with the animals they own. It's going to get nothi9ng but worse.
If you want to be nice to animals, fine. If you want to think badly of people who aren't nice to their animals, fine. But insisting on legal consequences for other people doing whatever they want to do with the animals they own is not fine. It's over the top. It's insane even if the madness afflicts an overwhelming majority of those in the culture.
You have got to be kidding me. Seriously. Think about what you're saying. You're saying you're going to beat up another human being because they left a DOG in a car with the windows rolled up.I think that if you leave your dog in a car with the windows up, I should be able to beat you within an inch of your life and the go roll your window down.
Like Richard Pryor said: Beauty only skin deep, ugly is to the bone.JohnStOnge wrote:http://www.lifewithdogs.tv/2013/07/walm ... hot-truck/
Wal Mart denies firing her for being a twit about a friggin DOG but it doesn't matter. What a twit. It's a DOG. It is not a sentient being. It belongs to the guy. What a guy does with what belongs to him IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS as the guy said.
Really. We would be a better society if everybody who acts like this over DOGS would be shot immediately. That's mean a lot of people. But we really need to get rid of this crap.
CID1990 wrote:I don't think there should be legal consequences. I think that if you leave your dog in a car with the windows up, I should be able to beat you within an inch of your life and the go roll your window down. No legal consequences required.JohnStOnge wrote:
It doesn't matter. I do think you probably over estimate the extent to which dogs feel emotion in the sense that we do. But even if they did it does not matter.
We made a huge mistake, as a culture, by ever going down the road of worrying about what animals of other species feel and experience to the point of telling people what they can and cannot do with the animals they own. It's going to get nothi9ng but worse.
If you want to be nice to animals, fine. If you want to think badly of people who aren't nice to their animals, fine. But insisting on legal consequences for other people doing whatever they want to do with the animals they own is not fine. It's over the top. It's insane even if the madness afflicts an overwhelming majority of those in the culture.
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